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I bought the game when they said both chat systems would coexist and work together, the chat still isn't functional and is a great stepback from original Bnet, please fix it asap as well as every single interface that currently doesn't work and which I'm not listing again in every single post that I write.
The effect of these issues is damage to the social environment (people talk and organize games together less), waste of time and a feeling of burden which is also likely to cause people to play less or draw them away from the game including myself. It is not acceptable as this isn't a free game and of course I will not buy any other blizzard product again until the quality is acceptable.
Grant Davies I have nothing against you personally and don't hold you reponsible or anything, I don't want to get into who is reponsible for what I just want the game to work properly and fast because I believe the state it is in is damaging to it, the chat and quality of interfaces is critical !! It pains me to see it in this state and is too slow and inefficient and annoying for me so I stopped playing it !! I think your boss Mike Morhaime is a fucking bastard, but who cares about that right?? :D
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No i am not. However developement time spent on products that bring little income instead of products that bring more is money lost.
If you disagree thats your right, however the picture that some here are painting about the evil "mr.blizzard" just rubbing his hands together,stroking blofelds cat doing "a quick money grab" is more ridiculous. No shareholder will notice a difference because of the scr release and if you think they do, you are delusional.
I guess they just know this stuff better: in what and when to invest, they`re no fools. I doubt a giant company would make anything that hurts their economy on the long run, and I`m not talking about the money made or lost, that doesn`t really matter in their case. The bigger picture is probably not solely on sales. I didn`t claim they make themselves rich, or anything, you`re off the line.
But this pull of theirs to come out with a remastered, if they`d care just a bit, they`d probably patch the chat restrictions and a lot of the remaining bugs (while keeping in mind that the most of the bugs were their own fault) in the first couple of weeks, but they don`t really care, this really implies cheap and disgusting attitude -in the eyes of many- for cheap money with a dozen fairly compentent (if we can call them so) developers, programmers, etc.
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On November 03 2017 02:19 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 14:03 Heyjoray wrote:What the fuck is wrong with? You are acting as if the game is completetly unplayable. Which its not. Not even on day 1 Well I see people warning me about you being a troll and just not reply to you were right, cause I gave many examples before and you are bringing no argument at all except repeating "the game is playable". That's not the point. You must justify and bring arguments now, not me. The game is not fully working obviously. You're acting as if my remarks have no basis in reality. Which they do. Even since day 1. What the fuck is wrong with you? Ok pretty unlikely I'll reply to you again but if you wise up maybe I will.
Why are there so many streams right now playing a completely broken game? Effort ist currently in a chat room. Chatting. How the fuck is that possible?
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I wonder what is it that "should never be enabled in a live release"
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i know you can still send messages in a channel heyjoray, have you encountered no bugs in the chat cause many commands don't work for me and I'm sometimes unable to reply or talk to someone who is not on my channel cause the commands don't work
people are still playing because the game is great as it always was
do you understand now, how it is possible that a game can be flawed and people complain about it and are unsatisfied with it while they are still playing it because there is something good about it? that it makes sense in the context of a remaster of a game which was always the best RTS? while it can contain flaws at the same time and have broken things be part of it? that some people consider they paid for not be broken?
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I'm happy that there's still a team working on the issues. 
Dunno if I'm just lucky that my games haven't lagged much recently, maybe a small hitch in the beginning of a game now and then. I'm more concerned about getting fresh map pool to ladder than any other issue. How long is one season supposed to last?
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My $.02:
-The game is definitely functional and playable as is and I'm very happy to have it. It has given me the motivation to really start playing BW seriously again.
-There are absolutely improvements that can be made to many things.
-A substantial amount of bug fixes are needed, but none of the bugs that exist are game breaking by any means.
-People spend too much time fixating on small bugs that... bug them...
Try to enjoy the game for what it is everyone. Provide your feedback to Blizzard but also try to think about things in perspective.
I see so many people upset about the chat bug, the interface bugs, the SD graphics. I get that these are things everyone wants to function optimally. But, if they are ruining your experience and causing you to not play the game, you're blowing them out of proportion.
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flist and even channel chat dont work for me, so i basically quit
i havent been playing for a month, loaded it up 10 mins ago and ive been searching for a ranked game for 500s so far, assuming ladder is not working atm
fuck you blizzard
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On November 03 2017 21:26 AManHasNoName wrote:
My $.02:
-The game is definitely functional and playable as is and I'm very happy to have it. It has given me the motivation to really start playing BW seriously again.
-There are absolutely improvements that can be made to many things.
-A substantial amount of bug fixes are needed, but none of the bugs that exist are game breaking by any means.
-People spend too much time fixating on small bugs that... bug them...
Try to enjoy the game for what it is everyone. Provide your feedback to Blizzard but also try to think about things in perspective.
I see so many people upset about the chat bug, the interface bugs, the SD graphics. I get that these are things everyone wants to function optimally. But, if they are ruining your experience and causing you to not play the game, you're blowing them out of proportion.
I bought Remastered, and I played ladder/RMM, and after every game, I wouldn't get a score screen, and my point wouldn't update, would be random, etc. I decided to watch a tournament, one of the first things the caster said was that he can't see what I say in chat because of the bug, can you tell him this instead.
Now when there are a dozen of games coming out every year that have 10s on millions of dollars spent on development, and are way more polished, why would I stay and put up with this stuff?
I was excited to really start playing a lot of BW, but because of those experiences, I haven't loaded up remastered in a few weeks, and I just make sure to catch every ASL. I think if these bugs weren't present at launch (or 1-2 weeks afterwards in my case), it's very likely that I'd be playing multiple times per week.
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On November 04 2017 01:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 21:26 AManHasNoName wrote:
My $.02:
-The game is definitely functional and playable as is and I'm very happy to have it. It has given me the motivation to really start playing BW seriously again.
-There are absolutely improvements that can be made to many things.
-A substantial amount of bug fixes are needed, but none of the bugs that exist are game breaking by any means.
-People spend too much time fixating on small bugs that... bug them...
Try to enjoy the game for what it is everyone. Provide your feedback to Blizzard but also try to think about things in perspective.
I see so many people upset about the chat bug, the interface bugs, the SD graphics. I get that these are things everyone wants to function optimally. But, if they are ruining your experience and causing you to not play the game, you're blowing them out of proportion. I bought Remastered, and I played ladder/RMM, and after every game, I wouldn't get a score screen, and my point wouldn't update, would be random, etc. I decided to watch a tournament, one of the first things the caster said was that he can't see what I say in chat because of the bug, can you tell him this instead. Now when there are a dozen of games coming out every year that have 10s on millions of dollars spent on development, and are way more polished, why would I stay and put up with this stuff? I was excited to really start playing a lot of BW, but because of those experiences, I haven't loaded up remastered in a few weeks, and I just make sure to catch every ASL. I think if these bugs weren't present at launch (or 1-2 weeks afterwards in my case), it's very likely that I'd be playing multiple times per week.
I’m trying to see where you’re coming from on this, but to me this just sounds like a huge overreaction.
Maybe it’s cause I’m from a different generation of gamers. But, what I care about is the actual gameplay being challenging and enjoyable.
The things you’re talking about are small annoyances to be certain. Your reaction to them seems well beyond what is reasonable to me, though.
I’m certainly in the minority with my opinions. And you’re right there are tons of new games coming out every day. Personally the challenge of playing a game like BW where I can feel true pride in the progress I make and each win/loss gives me lots of things to think about is worth putting up with a buggy UI.
That said, there’s a reason games coming out are simplified and made to look pretty. Because your opinions are shared by a large majority of the community these days.
TL;DR: If you’re someone who never played BW and was just trying it out, your reaction makes some sense. But, if you’re someone returning because you love what the game of BW has to offer then I just can’t understand how things like these would drive you away.
Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/528254-on-starcraft-remastered things like this are why I love StarCraft.
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small annoyances:
-chat doesnt work, cant play tournaments
-ladder doesnt work neither
lol
+not being able to race pick on ladder, bring back icc pls
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On November 04 2017 02:27 DOgMeAt wrote:
small annoyances:
-chat doesnt work, cant play tournaments
-ladder doesnt work neither
lol
+not being able to race pick on ladder, bring back icc pls
Why is over exaggerating such a crazy popular thing in here?
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On November 04 2017 02:20 AManHasNoName wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 01:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 03 2017 21:26 AManHasNoName wrote:
My $.02:
-The game is definitely functional and playable as is and I'm very happy to have it. It has given me the motivation to really start playing BW seriously again.
-There are absolutely improvements that can be made to many things.
-A substantial amount of bug fixes are needed, but none of the bugs that exist are game breaking by any means.
-People spend too much time fixating on small bugs that... bug them...
Try to enjoy the game for what it is everyone. Provide your feedback to Blizzard but also try to think about things in perspective.
I see so many people upset about the chat bug, the interface bugs, the SD graphics. I get that these are things everyone wants to function optimally. But, if they are ruining your experience and causing you to not play the game, you're blowing them out of proportion. I bought Remastered, and I played ladder/RMM, and after every game, I wouldn't get a score screen, and my point wouldn't update, would be random, etc. I decided to watch a tournament, one of the first things the caster said was that he can't see what I say in chat because of the bug, can you tell him this instead. Now when there are a dozen of games coming out every year that have 10s on millions of dollars spent on development, and are way more polished, why would I stay and put up with this stuff? I was excited to really start playing a lot of BW, but because of those experiences, I haven't loaded up remastered in a few weeks, and I just make sure to catch every ASL. I think if these bugs weren't present at launch (or 1-2 weeks afterwards in my case), it's very likely that I'd be playing multiple times per week. I’m trying to see where you’re coming from on this, but to me this just sounds like a huge overreaction. Maybe it’s cause I’m from a different generation of gamers. But, what I care about is the actual gameplay being challenging and enjoyable. The things you’re talking about are small annoyances to be certain. Your reaction to them seems well beyond what is reasonable to me, though. I’m certainly in the minority with my opinions. And you’re right there are tons of new games coming out every day. Personally the challenge of playing a game like BW where I can feel true pride in the progress I make and each win/loss gives me lots of things to think about is worth putting up with a buggy UI. That said, there’s a reason games coming out are simplified and made to look pretty. Because your opinions are shared by a large majority of the community these days. TL;DR: If you’re someone who never played BW and was just trying it out, your reaction makes some sense. But, if you’re someone returning because you love what the game of BW has to offer then I just can’t understand how things like these would drive you away. Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/528254-on-starcraft-remastered things like this are why I love StarCraft.
I've been posting on Teamliquid since early 2009, and watched it an insane amount. I played mostly UMS back in the day, but I played some iccup for 1-2 years trying to get good, then I played ShieldBattery for 6 months trying to get good. I'll keep watching BW, but this stuff had a big impact on me not continuing to play, or at least, playing a lot more casually.
I suppose to an extent it's not even about how big the changes are, but also about how indicative of future performance, how these little fuck ups by Blizzard occur. Many of us are not fans of the route SC2 took, and after what was a pretty messy game to start with Diablo 3 and Heroes, Blizzard did nothing to convey the message that the SC:RM development will be any different. So if Blizzard saw this as an easy way to make a few bucks, but doesn't have a long term vision for the game, I don't want to get invested either.
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On November 04 2017 03:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 02:20 AManHasNoName wrote:On November 04 2017 01:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 03 2017 21:26 AManHasNoName wrote:
My $.02:
-The game is definitely functional and playable as is and I'm very happy to have it. It has given me the motivation to really start playing BW seriously again.
-There are absolutely improvements that can be made to many things.
-A substantial amount of bug fixes are needed, but none of the bugs that exist are game breaking by any means.
-People spend too much time fixating on small bugs that... bug them...
Try to enjoy the game for what it is everyone. Provide your feedback to Blizzard but also try to think about things in perspective.
I see so many people upset about the chat bug, the interface bugs, the SD graphics. I get that these are things everyone wants to function optimally. But, if they are ruining your experience and causing you to not play the game, you're blowing them out of proportion. I bought Remastered, and I played ladder/RMM, and after every game, I wouldn't get a score screen, and my point wouldn't update, would be random, etc. I decided to watch a tournament, one of the first things the caster said was that he can't see what I say in chat because of the bug, can you tell him this instead. Now when there are a dozen of games coming out every year that have 10s on millions of dollars spent on development, and are way more polished, why would I stay and put up with this stuff? I was excited to really start playing a lot of BW, but because of those experiences, I haven't loaded up remastered in a few weeks, and I just make sure to catch every ASL. I think if these bugs weren't present at launch (or 1-2 weeks afterwards in my case), it's very likely that I'd be playing multiple times per week. I’m trying to see where you’re coming from on this, but to me this just sounds like a huge overreaction. Maybe it’s cause I’m from a different generation of gamers. But, what I care about is the actual gameplay being challenging and enjoyable. The things you’re talking about are small annoyances to be certain. Your reaction to them seems well beyond what is reasonable to me, though. I’m certainly in the minority with my opinions. And you’re right there are tons of new games coming out every day. Personally the challenge of playing a game like BW where I can feel true pride in the progress I make and each win/loss gives me lots of things to think about is worth putting up with a buggy UI. That said, there’s a reason games coming out are simplified and made to look pretty. Because your opinions are shared by a large majority of the community these days. TL;DR: If you’re someone who never played BW and was just trying it out, your reaction makes some sense. But, if you’re someone returning because you love what the game of BW has to offer then I just can’t understand how things like these would drive you away. Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/528254-on-starcraft-remastered things like this are why I love StarCraft. I've been posting on Teamliquid since early 2009, and watched it an insane amount. I played mostly UMS back in the day, but I played some iccup for 1-2 years trying to get good, then I played ShieldBattery for 6 months trying to get good. I'll keep watching BW, but this stuff had a big impact on me not continuing to play, or at least, playing a lot more casually. I suppose to an extent it's not even about how big the changes are, but also about how indicative of future performance, how these little fuck ups by Blizzard occur. Many of us are not fans of the route SC2 took, and after what was a pretty messy game to start with Diablo 3 and Heroes, Blizzard did nothing to convey the message that the SC:RM development will be any different. So if Blizzard saw this as an easy way to make a few bucks, but doesn't have a long term vision for the game, I don't want to get invested either.
With this post I absolutely understand where you are coming from. I too have been let down by Blizzard's more recent games. My dislike for them is largely gameplay based though, so as long as the BW gameplay doesn't get touched I'll be happy.
That said, what sort of long term vision are you hoping for Blizzard to have for SC:R?
IMO what they've demonstrated so far is that the people working on the game have a love for BW and are willing to listen to the community when making changes. The interface is buggy, yes. They are taking software designed almost 20 years ago and trying to appropriate it to work with the vast array of current machines WITHOUT changing the way the game plays. When it comes to programming that's actually a much more difficult project than starting from scratch and building your own game.
My goal is not to say that what we have now is perfect and doesn't need to be altered. I simply believe that leniency is in order. They are working on the game and trying to do things the right way. They are showing dedication to the community, the devs post on the forums very frequently and are giving us these videos as well.
Cut them some slack, enjoy playing the game, note and report the bugs you see, but don't let little things ruin your experience.
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On November 04 2017 02:20 AManHasNoName wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 01:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 03 2017 21:26 AManHasNoName wrote:
My $.02:
-The game is definitely functional and playable as is and I'm very happy to have it. It has given me the motivation to really start playing BW seriously again.
-There are absolutely improvements that can be made to many things.
-A substantial amount of bug fixes are needed, but none of the bugs that exist are game breaking by any means.
-People spend too much time fixating on small bugs that... bug them...
Try to enjoy the game for what it is everyone. Provide your feedback to Blizzard but also try to think about things in perspective.
I see so many people upset about the chat bug, the interface bugs, the SD graphics. I get that these are things everyone wants to function optimally. But, if they are ruining your experience and causing you to not play the game, you're blowing them out of proportion. I bought Remastered, and I played ladder/RMM, and after every game, I wouldn't get a score screen, and my point wouldn't update, would be random, etc. I decided to watch a tournament, one of the first things the caster said was that he can't see what I say in chat because of the bug, can you tell him this instead. Now when there are a dozen of games coming out every year that have 10s on millions of dollars spent on development, and are way more polished, why would I stay and put up with this stuff? I was excited to really start playing a lot of BW, but because of those experiences, I haven't loaded up remastered in a few weeks, and I just make sure to catch every ASL. I think if these bugs weren't present at launch (or 1-2 weeks afterwards in my case), it's very likely that I'd be playing multiple times per week. I’m trying to see where you’re coming from on this, but to me this just sounds like a huge overreaction. Maybe it’s cause I’m from a different generation of gamers. But, what I care about is the actual gameplay being challenging and enjoyable. The things you’re talking about are small annoyances to be certain. Your reaction to them seems well beyond what is reasonable to me, though. I’m certainly in the minority with my opinions. And you’re right there are tons of new games coming out every day. Personally the challenge of playing a game like BW where I can feel true pride in the progress I make and each win/loss gives me lots of things to think about is worth putting up with a buggy UI. That said, there’s a reason games coming out are simplified and made to look pretty. Because your opinions are shared by a large majority of the community these days. TL;DR: If you’re someone who never played BW and was just trying it out, your reaction makes some sense. But, if you’re someone returning because you love what the game of BW has to offer then I just can’t understand how things like these would drive you away. Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/528254-on-starcraft-remastered things like this are why I love StarCraft.
It's less those things driving people away from the game, and more a "Is blizzard going to leave us permafucked" worry, combined with frustration at having lost the other places to play.
Serious players are frustrated I think more than anything by lag issues and it being a pain to coordinate and practice games. On 1.16 it was simple, effective, and easy to find games with practice partners or ladder. With the new system and automatchmaking/turn rate top foreigners routinely have to play on TR 8, and often laggy one at that, with korean players. Most don't mind playing KR players of equal skill, but being forced to play in the constant lag (which is definitely worse than it ever was in 1.16) is a MAJOR issue for better BW players. That's an integral part of the game and can make some things, such as muta use, almost worthless. I can understand players being very frustrated or not wanting to play BW under those conditions.
For newer players, or those less skilled; lag is generally less of an issue. The ladder matchmaking issues, especially not counting points is more of an annoyance than a critical issue. As is the added difficulty in adding friends or chatting. The big kicker here is that depending on specs, someone people have absolutely HORRIBLE experiences with RM, to the point the game is borderline unplayable. That's a large part of the vocal minority you hear complaining. For those guys, it's more than an irritant, the game borders on FUBAR.
I like most of the concepts that have been done in 1.16. I'm a fan overall of the new graphics. I like that we've centralized things, and have an acceptable auto-matchmaker that allows me to quickly get into games with players of my rough skill level. What's frustrating people is that those who were used to 1.16, especially those with forwarded ports, had everything we have now in 1.16....but better. You could find matches easily and efficiently once you were used to it, chat and other functionality was better, there were less lag/forced speed issues, etc.
If people were confident in Blizz, I don't think these threads would exist. The worry is that over the past few games (sc2, Hearthstone, D3, etc.) Blizzard hasn't shown any indication of listening much to the community or working hard to fix what the community/player base see as major issues. In some cases it's been blatantly ignored. Right now, for a large part of the dedicated BW base, what we currently have is worse than what we had in 1.16; and release of BW:R + possibly some of Blizzards own work has squashed what remains of 1.16 to an incredibly small number of players. In that context I don't think it's hard to see why there is at a minimum general angst, and in many cases legitimate anger.
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On November 04 2017 03:44 AManHasNoName wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 03:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 04 2017 02:20 AManHasNoName wrote:On November 04 2017 01:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 03 2017 21:26 AManHasNoName wrote:
My $.02:
-The game is definitely functional and playable as is and I'm very happy to have it. It has given me the motivation to really start playing BW seriously again.
-There are absolutely improvements that can be made to many things.
-A substantial amount of bug fixes are needed, but none of the bugs that exist are game breaking by any means.
-People spend too much time fixating on small bugs that... bug them...
Try to enjoy the game for what it is everyone. Provide your feedback to Blizzard but also try to think about things in perspective.
I see so many people upset about the chat bug, the interface bugs, the SD graphics. I get that these are things everyone wants to function optimally. But, if they are ruining your experience and causing you to not play the game, you're blowing them out of proportion. I bought Remastered, and I played ladder/RMM, and after every game, I wouldn't get a score screen, and my point wouldn't update, would be random, etc. I decided to watch a tournament, one of the first things the caster said was that he can't see what I say in chat because of the bug, can you tell him this instead. Now when there are a dozen of games coming out every year that have 10s on millions of dollars spent on development, and are way more polished, why would I stay and put up with this stuff? I was excited to really start playing a lot of BW, but because of those experiences, I haven't loaded up remastered in a few weeks, and I just make sure to catch every ASL. I think if these bugs weren't present at launch (or 1-2 weeks afterwards in my case), it's very likely that I'd be playing multiple times per week. I’m trying to see where you’re coming from on this, but to me this just sounds like a huge overreaction. Maybe it’s cause I’m from a different generation of gamers. But, what I care about is the actual gameplay being challenging and enjoyable. The things you’re talking about are small annoyances to be certain. Your reaction to them seems well beyond what is reasonable to me, though. I’m certainly in the minority with my opinions. And you’re right there are tons of new games coming out every day. Personally the challenge of playing a game like BW where I can feel true pride in the progress I make and each win/loss gives me lots of things to think about is worth putting up with a buggy UI. That said, there’s a reason games coming out are simplified and made to look pretty. Because your opinions are shared by a large majority of the community these days. TL;DR: If you’re someone who never played BW and was just trying it out, your reaction makes some sense. But, if you’re someone returning because you love what the game of BW has to offer then I just can’t understand how things like these would drive you away. Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/528254-on-starcraft-remastered things like this are why I love StarCraft. I've been posting on Teamliquid since early 2009, and watched it an insane amount. I played mostly UMS back in the day, but I played some iccup for 1-2 years trying to get good, then I played ShieldBattery for 6 months trying to get good. I'll keep watching BW, but this stuff had a big impact on me not continuing to play, or at least, playing a lot more casually. I suppose to an extent it's not even about how big the changes are, but also about how indicative of future performance, how these little fuck ups by Blizzard occur. Many of us are not fans of the route SC2 took, and after what was a pretty messy game to start with Diablo 3 and Heroes, Blizzard did nothing to convey the message that the SC:RM development will be any different. So if Blizzard saw this as an easy way to make a few bucks, but doesn't have a long term vision for the game, I don't want to get invested either. With this post I absolutely understand where you are coming from. I too have been let down by Blizzard's more recent games. My dislike for them is largely gameplay based though, so as long as the BW gameplay doesn't get touched I'll be happy. That said, what sort of long term vision are you hoping for Blizzard to have for SC:R? IMO what they've demonstrated so far is that the people working on the game have a love for BW and are willing to listen to the community when making changes. The interface is buggy, yes. They are taking software designed almost 20 years ago and trying to appropriate it to work with the vast array of current machines WITHOUT changing the way the game plays. When it comes to programming that's actually a much more difficult project than starting from scratch and building your own game. My goal is not to say that what we have now is perfect and doesn't need to be altered. I simply believe that leniency is in order. They are working on the game and trying to do things the right way. They are showing dedication to the community, the devs post on the forums very frequently and are giving us these videos as well. Cut them some slack, enjoy playing the game, note and report the bugs you see, but don't let little things ruin your experience.
In my opinion, I largely agree with you. I'm under the impression this dev team does actually give a shit about what the playerbase thinks.
Unfortunately, there are a good 8 years of negative blizzard experience involving blizzard fuck ups or active hostility towards BW. Mix that with the fact that some of the biggest cries; lag issues, ladder not working, and chat/friend functionality are still unresolved and it's not hard at all to see why many people are very pessimistic.
I personally am not, but I can absolutely understand where those that are pessimistic are coming from. In all honesty, I can't really make an argument that they shouldn't be past "I dunno guys, just seems like this Dev team gets it and actually cares".
In sum, even if I don't share it, I think the pessimism and angst are absolutely justifiable reactions for people to have.
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On November 04 2017 03:59 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 03:44 AManHasNoName wrote:On November 04 2017 03:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 04 2017 02:20 AManHasNoName wrote:On November 04 2017 01:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 03 2017 21:26 AManHasNoName wrote:
My $.02:
-The game is definitely functional and playable as is and I'm very happy to have it. It has given me the motivation to really start playing BW seriously again.
-There are absolutely improvements that can be made to many things.
-A substantial amount of bug fixes are needed, but none of the bugs that exist are game breaking by any means.
-People spend too much time fixating on small bugs that... bug them...
Try to enjoy the game for what it is everyone. Provide your feedback to Blizzard but also try to think about things in perspective.
I see so many people upset about the chat bug, the interface bugs, the SD graphics. I get that these are things everyone wants to function optimally. But, if they are ruining your experience and causing you to not play the game, you're blowing them out of proportion. I bought Remastered, and I played ladder/RMM, and after every game, I wouldn't get a score screen, and my point wouldn't update, would be random, etc. I decided to watch a tournament, one of the first things the caster said was that he can't see what I say in chat because of the bug, can you tell him this instead. Now when there are a dozen of games coming out every year that have 10s on millions of dollars spent on development, and are way more polished, why would I stay and put up with this stuff? I was excited to really start playing a lot of BW, but because of those experiences, I haven't loaded up remastered in a few weeks, and I just make sure to catch every ASL. I think if these bugs weren't present at launch (or 1-2 weeks afterwards in my case), it's very likely that I'd be playing multiple times per week. I’m trying to see where you’re coming from on this, but to me this just sounds like a huge overreaction. Maybe it’s cause I’m from a different generation of gamers. But, what I care about is the actual gameplay being challenging and enjoyable. The things you’re talking about are small annoyances to be certain. Your reaction to them seems well beyond what is reasonable to me, though. I’m certainly in the minority with my opinions. And you’re right there are tons of new games coming out every day. Personally the challenge of playing a game like BW where I can feel true pride in the progress I make and each win/loss gives me lots of things to think about is worth putting up with a buggy UI. That said, there’s a reason games coming out are simplified and made to look pretty. Because your opinions are shared by a large majority of the community these days. TL;DR: If you’re someone who never played BW and was just trying it out, your reaction makes some sense. But, if you’re someone returning because you love what the game of BW has to offer then I just can’t understand how things like these would drive you away. Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/528254-on-starcraft-remastered things like this are why I love StarCraft. I've been posting on Teamliquid since early 2009, and watched it an insane amount. I played mostly UMS back in the day, but I played some iccup for 1-2 years trying to get good, then I played ShieldBattery for 6 months trying to get good. I'll keep watching BW, but this stuff had a big impact on me not continuing to play, or at least, playing a lot more casually. I suppose to an extent it's not even about how big the changes are, but also about how indicative of future performance, how these little fuck ups by Blizzard occur. Many of us are not fans of the route SC2 took, and after what was a pretty messy game to start with Diablo 3 and Heroes, Blizzard did nothing to convey the message that the SC:RM development will be any different. So if Blizzard saw this as an easy way to make a few bucks, but doesn't have a long term vision for the game, I don't want to get invested either. With this post I absolutely understand where you are coming from. I too have been let down by Blizzard's more recent games. My dislike for them is largely gameplay based though, so as long as the BW gameplay doesn't get touched I'll be happy. That said, what sort of long term vision are you hoping for Blizzard to have for SC:R? IMO what they've demonstrated so far is that the people working on the game have a love for BW and are willing to listen to the community when making changes. The interface is buggy, yes. They are taking software designed almost 20 years ago and trying to appropriate it to work with the vast array of current machines WITHOUT changing the way the game plays. When it comes to programming that's actually a much more difficult project than starting from scratch and building your own game. My goal is not to say that what we have now is perfect and doesn't need to be altered. I simply believe that leniency is in order. They are working on the game and trying to do things the right way. They are showing dedication to the community, the devs post on the forums very frequently and are giving us these videos as well. Cut them some slack, enjoy playing the game, note and report the bugs you see, but don't let little things ruin your experience. In my opinion, I largely agree with you. I'm under the impression this dev team does actually give a shit about what the playerbase thinks. Unfortunately, there are a good 8 years of negative blizzard experience involving blizzard fuck ups or active hostility towards BW. Mix that with the fact that some of the biggest cries; lag issues, ladder not working, and chat/friend functionality are still unresolved and it's not hard at all to see why many people are very pessimistic. I personally am not, but I can absolutely understand where those that are pessimistic are coming from. In all honesty, I can't really make an argument that they shouldn't be past "I dunno guys, just seems like this Dev team gets it and actually cares". In sum, even if I don't share it, I think the pessimism and angst are absolutely justifiable reactions for people to have.
I agree with the majority of what you've said in the last two posts. I also agree that if we're using Blizzard's recent history as a guide, there's ample reason to be skeptical. I do think it's important to try to judge this dev team by their actions and I hope people will be open minded.
One thing I wanted to provide input on:
1) Yes lag is a big issue. But, it's something they have been putting what I see to be great effort to resolve. Lag is the #1 issue in any online game, and I haven't played a game in the last 10 years where the forums were not filled with posts complaining about lag.
I play against primarily Koreans myself, and live in Colorado. Somehow I manage to have very little lag against them, so considering my location I think that shows that there's at least hope for it to get better.
However, I do watch streams all the time and see the lag Europeans in particular experience when facing Koreans. I absolutely think it's a valid concern.
That's all I've got, I just wanted to provide some sort of argument in defense of Blizzard since in my line of work I see these type of complaints all the time with no acknowledgment of the work we are putting in to fix them and no perspective on the difficulty of resolving some of these issues.
I appreciate everyone who took time to read these posts and provided feedback of your own. TL has a lot of very intelligent members and I love the discussion that happens here!
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On November 04 2017 03:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 02:20 AManHasNoName wrote:On November 04 2017 01:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 03 2017 21:26 AManHasNoName wrote:
My $.02:
-The game is definitely functional and playable as is and I'm very happy to have it. It has given me the motivation to really start playing BW seriously again.
-There are absolutely improvements that can be made to many things.
-A substantial amount of bug fixes are needed, but none of the bugs that exist are game breaking by any means.
-People spend too much time fixating on small bugs that... bug them...
Try to enjoy the game for what it is everyone. Provide your feedback to Blizzard but also try to think about things in perspective.
I see so many people upset about the chat bug, the interface bugs, the SD graphics. I get that these are things everyone wants to function optimally. But, if they are ruining your experience and causing you to not play the game, you're blowing them out of proportion. I bought Remastered, and I played ladder/RMM, and after every game, I wouldn't get a score screen, and my point wouldn't update, would be random, etc. I decided to watch a tournament, one of the first things the caster said was that he can't see what I say in chat because of the bug, can you tell him this instead. Now when there are a dozen of games coming out every year that have 10s on millions of dollars spent on development, and are way more polished, why would I stay and put up with this stuff? I was excited to really start playing a lot of BW, but because of those experiences, I haven't loaded up remastered in a few weeks, and I just make sure to catch every ASL. I think if these bugs weren't present at launch (or 1-2 weeks afterwards in my case), it's very likely that I'd be playing multiple times per week. I’m trying to see where you’re coming from on this, but to me this just sounds like a huge overreaction. Maybe it’s cause I’m from a different generation of gamers. But, what I care about is the actual gameplay being challenging and enjoyable. The things you’re talking about are small annoyances to be certain. Your reaction to them seems well beyond what is reasonable to me, though. I’m certainly in the minority with my opinions. And you’re right there are tons of new games coming out every day. Personally the challenge of playing a game like BW where I can feel true pride in the progress I make and each win/loss gives me lots of things to think about is worth putting up with a buggy UI. That said, there’s a reason games coming out are simplified and made to look pretty. Because your opinions are shared by a large majority of the community these days. TL;DR: If you’re someone who never played BW and was just trying it out, your reaction makes some sense. But, if you’re someone returning because you love what the game of BW has to offer then I just can’t understand how things like these would drive you away. Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/528254-on-starcraft-remastered things like this are why I love StarCraft. I've been posting on Teamliquid since early 2009, and watched it an insane amount. I played mostly UMS back in the day, but I played some iccup for 1-2 years trying to get good, then I played ShieldBattery for 6 months trying to get good. I'll keep watching BW, but this stuff had a big impact on me not continuing to play, or at least, playing a lot more casually. I suppose to an extent it's not even about how big the changes are, but also about how indicative of future performance, how these little fuck ups by Blizzard occur. Many of us are not fans of the route SC2 took, and after what was a pretty messy game to start with Diablo 3 and Heroes, Blizzard did nothing to convey the message that the SC:RM development will be any different. So if Blizzard saw this as an easy way to make a few bucks, but doesn't have a long term vision for the game, I don't want to get invested either.
Do you ignore WoW, Overwatch and the continuous support for SC2 on purpose because it wouldnt prove your point? Or the fact that they brought a game back that fits in the current market like an icecube in hell? Smart move
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Are they ever going to put some actual leagues/ranks in? Hate to sound like a pleb but I like the letter grades or the metals for kind of seeing where I'm at. The number is so vague.
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How can EXACT RANKING NUMBER be vague? How can it be possibly more vague than something like Plastic League Division 2?
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