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KameZerg
Sweden1778 Posts
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Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On October 25 2017 01:55 RCCar wrote: Fish and brain have been notorious for having people who illegally downloaded 1.16.1 along with various hacks to play on it for years. Some argue it might have helped the game survive, but I think ultimately now that SC:R is out the free servers should be closed down The problem isn't about the legality of it all, but the fact that people went through the trouble of installing, and moving over to those private servers in the first place, due to the vastly superior service provided for the community. Servers run by Blizzard are, quite frankly speaking, shit. The problem isn't that Blizzard shut down illegal servers, it is totally within their jurisdiction. It is the fact that Blizzard shut down superior servers in the eyes of many, and now the community has no choice but to put up with Blizzard's inadequacy, until they feel like doing otherwise, which I'm not holding my breath for. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
In the long term, maybe we can put more pressure on blizzard to improve SC:RM In the very long term, StarCraft BW will become public domain in another 66 years. So after that we won't have to worry about the legal stuff anymore | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On October 24 2017 22:37 Letmelose wrote: From a legal perspective, Blizzard has always been in the right. It's just that nobody with any semblance of integrity can say Blizzard has Brood War's best interests at heart. Streaming content has been more difficult after Blizzard's intervention, due to the constant lag and server issues. Blizzard has proven themselves capable in terms of shutting down competing servers, and forcing their new products down our throats, but the actual gaming experience has suffered immensely. It truly is a horrible ordeal. Being at the mercy of something so immensely powerful, and inversely benevolent. If Blizzard had only a fraction of competence at providing some good for the Brood War scene as they are competent at claiming what is rightfully theirs, then history would have been very different. For all their flaws, these servers were relatively free from technical issues for years on end. I truly hope Blizzard can at least match their service to the community now that they have eliminated all forms of competition. Blizzard are lazy and they dont care, thats why they abandoned sc1 outside korea and thats why they killed sc1 in korea after sc2 came out. Only some serious internet riots can make them move their butts and do something. exactly my thoughts, one of the richest companies in the world cannot provide better servise than some random guys.Blizzard was the company releasing the most refined and polished products and became the total opposite, releasing more and more undeveloped games. Well what other should you expect by a company so dumb that they competing with themselves sc1-sc2 hurting both games, communities and the company itself. On October 24 2017 22:50 AdelSC123 wrote: I should have never bought remastered. Im glad i didnt bought it. After they forced cancel on the korean teamleague with Flash Bisu Stork and etc due to scr upcoming release i just decided blizzard gone shit forever and i will not buy any of their stuff anymore. On October 24 2017 22:59 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: they should hire wlauncher creator and mca :D that will be a very good deed by them. I really hope Iccup get alive again and OpenBW was looking so promising, i wish to see this project finished. | ||
Waxangel
United States33712 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
On October 25 2017 01:52 PorkSoda wrote: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/tech/2017/07/134_211864.html Yikes. I don't like hackers as much as the next guy, but the idea of there being legal ramifications to children cheating in online games is kind of nuts. Especially when cheating could extend to anything not in the original game. In regards to the legal rights of Blizzard to do whatever with their games... I think there's such a thing as culturally significant games, and that just because laws don't exist now to protect them doesn't mean there never will be. esports is still very much in its infancy, laws won't get created until things go wrong that require laws be created. What has happened and is happening with SC1 could be one of those things. In any case, the above article would seem to indicate people are interested in tighter controls on games, just maybe heavily biased to the copyright holder. Since the new patch is unplayable for me, I'll be pretty bummed if even iCCup gets targeted. The one good thing the Russian oligarchs can do for us is protect BW >.> Once iCCup is gone, it's LAN only, which I haven't done since before I had good internet. I wouldn't say it's protecting the consumer very well if a game company can sabotage its own products, by incompetence or intention. Everything about SC:R looks super low budget, we got Steve and the interns to work on it with the promise we might give them a real job, and told them it had to be ready by Monday. It is a far cry from the polish we have been used to from Blizzard titles (whether or not you find any of the recent ones fun, they were polished). | ||
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Levque
88 Posts
1.16 is the best version of BW for many reasons and the community should never stop fighting for it. | ||
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CognacLover
Poland66 Posts
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Trozz
Canada3457 Posts
Although their dev team is slow, their lawyers are fast. ;; | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On October 25 2017 03:07 Waxangel wrote: Sad that when Blizzard says they want to preserve Brood War, they don't realize that eco-systems and communities are almost as important as gameplay itself. Practically speaking, I doubt this affects the experience for THAT many players, but the fact that it affects ANY at all is a failure on the stated goals of SC:R. To be fair, if Blizzard is to follow through on "preserving Brood War", they have to centralize everyone on their platform or it simply won't be profitable enough to be feasible. People playing on private servers often have cracked copies of the game AND they contribute to the private site's traffic numbers, not Blizzard/Activision. Communities need to be preserved, but private servers that don't require you to buy the game are bad for business. I'm not saying that Mike Morhaime is charging, in riding his Unicorn across the rainbow to save Brood War. Anyone who thought that was going to happen was kidding themselves. This is a business venture, and it has similar implications to other business ventures including a requirement for profitability and exclusivity. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
On October 25 2017 04:23 Eywa- wrote: Communities need to be preserved, but private servers that don't require you to buy the game are bad for business. Is it? That's possibly because the study concluded that there was no evidence that piracy affects copyrighted sales, and in the case of video games, might actually help them. https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/22/eu-suppressed-study-piracy-no-sales-impact/ | ||
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scwat
Korea (South)7 Posts
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
lets be serious, the amount of money blizzard made off of every single game is far above high enough, and if people want to play on private servers, if there are laws that actually help blizzard attack that, well I say these laws should be changed because they are just bad for gaming and for gamers i feel like I just hate blizzard now. It feels like not only they dont care, but they are actively damaging things trying to control what people play and how. They damage chat, they damage servers, ergonomy, intrude with adware, it looks like they want you to buy smtg and then stop playing that cause its not so good and instead buy and play their newest crap. That may be just what's going on. Well fuck blizzard. If you work at blizzard, leave this shitty company. The last time I bought smtg from this shitty company was Diablo 3 at release, and then I didn't for years. And now I feel even worse about it. Fuck blizzard, screw its rotten leadership and business making. You suck. | ||
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Jealous
10413 Posts
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
Did you guys seriously trust Blizzard for a moment, even though they basically forced the Korean scene to switch so they can make more profits? The only way BW can survive is through the community itself. Can't trust blizzard ever | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On October 25 2017 02:14 Lazare1969 wrote: They should have hosted their server outside of Korea if it was going to become illegal there. Yep this is the way to do. Can't sue if you are on some island. Blizzard plays dirty, we have to play dirty as well. Get it on reddit as well. Show them that Blizzard is on the same level as EA in terms of shittyness. | ||
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JungleTerrain
Chile799 Posts
On October 25 2017 02:52 hiro protagonist wrote: In the short term, this sucks for those who prefer 1.16.1 In the long term, maybe we can put more pressure on blizzard to improve SC:RM In the very long term, StarCraft BW will become public domain in another 66 years. So after that we won't have to worry about the legal stuff anymore LOL wtf most of us will be dead by that time | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On October 25 2017 06:03 duke91 wrote: Yep this is the way to do. Can't sue if you are on some island. Blizzard plays dirty, we have to play dirty as well. Get it on reddit as well. Show them that Blizzard is on the same level as EA in terms of shittyness. y Apparently, if a server is hosted in Russia, no problem, laws in russia don't allow this. Also in some european countries, hosting private servers is not illegal, including France apparently as I learned recently. If blizzard is hostile to us we should not give them anything, just consider them an enemy. They are playing AGAINST the players. Whatever stupid IP excuse they try to pull, Starcraft does not belong to Blizzard. I've bought it, I got it on my computer and elsewhere, I own it and I'll do what I want with it. If anybody does whatever with Starcraft it is none of blizzard's concern. I consider it public domain. I may come back to play on ICCup later, but something we would want imo is to make these servers easily accessible to people without having to look for them, that's the challenge. Hacking into the shitty blizzard app would be fun xD grab the SCR code, make it better ourselves, etc^^ | ||
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