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On October 26 2017 03:28 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 23:57 Lorch wrote:
Well fuck you blizzard. Private servers have kept the game alive for years upon years when Blizzard abandoned BW.
First they push fish out of business and now this. I guess iccup is next. BWs future is entirely up to blizzard now, let's hope that they don't fuck it up. Why do people just read the title, only the title, and then post. ;(
I understand where you're coming from. But please also understand that:
1. it is highly unlikely community-made projects like private servers, mods, etc. just shut down by themselves.
2. If they don't shut down themselves, they are being shut down by someone else.
3. no government or other institution would shut down a community project just because. They do it because somebody requested it.
4. who else would request it besides the affected company (Blizzard in this case)
this reasoning plus the history we all know makes it a pretty safe bet that Blizzard is involved at some point, although there's a chance people are wrong.
In my case, I'm hardly ever bashing. I usually just point out they have the right to do what they do but I'm not happy with it. Like this:
Yes, legally those companies are entitled to protect their IP. But our legal systems do not recognize that most of the value is and was created by the community. The value of BW was to a large part created by an army of volunteers working countless hours on custom maps and other assets.
There is just no reason why the community should surrender all this work to a company that did nothing but provide the initial source and then suck every dollar possible out of the market.
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3. no government or other institution would shut down a community project just because. They do it because somebody requested it.
Wrong. Governments tend to follow the law, there doesnt have to be a particular party in question advocating that they act on the law, they just have to be aware that the law applies in this case.
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On October 26 2017 04:10 imp42 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 03:28 L_Master wrote:On October 25 2017 23:57 Lorch wrote:
Well fuck you blizzard. Private servers have kept the game alive for years upon years when Blizzard abandoned BW.
First they push fish out of business and now this. I guess iccup is next. BWs future is entirely up to blizzard now, let's hope that they don't fuck it up. Why do people just read the title, only the title, and then post. ;( I understand where you're coming from. But please also understand that: 1. it is highly unlikely community-made projects like private servers, mods, etc. just shut down by themselves. 2. If they don't shut down themselves, they are being shut down by someone else. 3. no government or other institution would shut down a community project just because. They do it because somebody requested it. 4. who else would request it besides the affected company (Blizzard in this case) this reasoning plus the history we all know makes it a pretty safe bet that Blizzard is involved at some point, although there's a chance people are wrong. In my case, I'm hardly ever bashing. I usually just point out they have the right to do what they do but I'm not happy with it. Like this: Yes, legally those companies are entitled to protect their IP. But our legal systems do not recognize that most of the value is and was created by the community. The value of BW was to a large part created by an army of volunteers working countless hours on custom maps and other assets. There is just no reason why the community should surrender all this work to a company that did nothing but provide the initial source and then suck every dollar possible out of the market.
Also I'd like to add, that while SC:R has worked very well for me, I would definitely be interested in openBW and I fully support your efforts.
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On October 26 2017 04:12 Dazed. wrote:
3. no government or other institution would shut down a community project just because. They do it because somebody requested it.
Wrong. Governments tend to follow the law, there doesnt have to be a particular party in question advocating that they act on the law, they just have to be aware that the law applies in this case.
I would say that the chances are the Blizzard probably complained about brain, but I don't think it was some big secret in Korea either, so maybe the government was already aware. The Korean government probably has at least a small team charged with investigating and research these types of private servers. It makes no sense to pass a law if you have no way of enforcing it.
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On October 26 2017 04:10 imp42 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 03:28 L_Master wrote:On October 25 2017 23:57 Lorch wrote:
Well fuck you blizzard. Private servers have kept the game alive for years upon years when Blizzard abandoned BW.
First they push fish out of business and now this. I guess iccup is next. BWs future is entirely up to blizzard now, let's hope that they don't fuck it up. Why do people just read the title, only the title, and then post. ;( I understand where you're coming from. But please also understand that: 1. it is highly unlikely community-made projects like private servers, mods, etc. just shut down by themselves. 2. If they don't shut down themselves, they are being shut down by someone else. 3. no government or other institution would shut down a community project just because. They do it because somebody requested it. 4. who else would request it besides the affected company (Blizzard in this case) this reasoning plus the history we all know makes it a pretty safe bet that Blizzard is involved at some point, although there's a chance people are wrong. In my case, I'm hardly ever bashing. I usually just point out they have the right to do what they do but I'm not happy with it. Like this: Yes, legally those companies are entitled to protect their IP. But our legal systems do not recognize that most of the value is and was created by the community. The value of BW was to a large part created by an army of volunteers working countless hours on custom maps and other assets. There is just no reason why the community should surrender all this work to a company that did nothing but provide the initial source and then suck every dollar possible out of the market.
See, if everyone made posts like yours things would be great. We'd have solid discussion. You lay out a nice line of logic that takes into account things discussed in the thread. Personally, it's #3 that's I'd be the most skeptical of. A government wouldn't shut down a project "just because", I agree there; but if it's illegal to run such a private server in Korea then a government can, and frequently will, shut down things that are illegal. Moreover, if illegal, it's possible that other people outside of Blizzard would consider reporting the server.
In all honestly though, my posts were primarily directed at the people offering nothing to the discussion throwing out some pointless rage or just ridiculous unsupported comments ("Brain has no use"). Those kind of comments arguably just make things harder to follow in addition to adding zero value.
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Here's the original post made on the Brain Server web site. It says that the server is shutting down due to internal circumstances. It does not mention Blizzard. It is very short.
We can speculate but so far we have virtually no confirmed information.
Also:
1) The Korean articles regarding government action against private servers mention Overwatch, Lineage, and League of Legends. Only one of those is a Blizzard product. If BW gets burned it is just small fry that got caught in the crossfire and not the primary target.
2) The Korean government action has been in the works and publicly announced a long time ago. It's not new. Even the linked article in this thread is from August 2016. The proposed changes have been on government web sites for a while.
3) Prosecutors love getting convictions, especially easy convictions. Convictions = promotions.
EDIT: New changes to the law became effective 2017.6.21. It's been a couple months.
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On October 26 2017 04:51 lemmata wrote:Here's the original post made on the Brain Server web site. It says that the server is shutting down due to internal circumstances. It does not mention Blizzard. It is very short. We can speculate but so far we have virtually no confirmed information. Also: 1) The Korean articles regarding government action against private servers mention Overwatch, Lineage, and League of Legends. Only one of those is a Blizzard product. If BW gets burned it is just small fry that got caught in the crossfire and not the primary target. 2) The Korean government action has been in the works and publicly announced a long time ago. It's not new. Even the linked article in this thread is from August 2016. The proposed changes have been on government web sites for a while. 3) Prosecutors love getting convictions, especially easy convictions. Convictions = promotions. EDIT: New changes to the law became effective 2017.6.21. It's been a couple months.
EDIT: nvm.
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On October 26 2017 04:51 lemmata wrote:Here's the original post made on the Brain Server web site. It says that the server is shutting down due to internal circumstances. It does not mention Blizzard. It is very short. We can speculate but so far we have virtually no confirmed information. Also: 1) The Korean articles regarding government action against private servers mention Overwatch, Lineage, and League of Legends. Only one of those is a Blizzard product. If BW gets burned it is just small fry that got caught in the crossfire and not the primary target. 2) The Korean government action has been in the works and publicly announced a long time ago. It's not new. Even the linked article in this thread is from August 2016. The proposed changes have been on government web sites for a while. 3) Prosecutors love getting convictions, especially easy convictions. Convictions = promotions. EDIT: New changes to the law became effective 2017.6.21. It's been a couple months.
Finally a proper, insightful post with legitimate information.
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On October 26 2017 05:31 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Finally a proper, insightful post with legitimate information.
dismissing all other posting as improper etc..
(while your own post contains nothing else)
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On October 26 2017 05:49 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 05:31 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Finally a proper, insightful post with legitimate information. dismissing all other posting as improper etc.. (while your own post contains nothing else)
I think you completely missed what the point of his post was -_-
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On October 26 2017 06:02 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 05:49 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On October 26 2017 05:31 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Finally a proper, insightful post with legitimate information. dismissing all other posting as improper etc.. (while your own post contains nothing else) I think you completely missed what the point of his post was -_-
maybe -_- its how it feels when i read it
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Hordes of oldtimers who refuse to go to HD for one silly reason after another was detrimental to this game before and it it now, it's time to move on. remastered isn't actually that bad, believe it or not and you can still play lan on it if you insist that the lag is too unbearable (which it hasnt been for me for ~1500 games)
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broken chat and ladder can't count games properly, i'll play again when it works
also to me efficient and fast interfaces are always and have always been important. Even when they work lol
dysfunctional&slow interfaces is what's detrimental to this game
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On October 26 2017 10:00 paxconsciente wrote:
Hordes of oldtimers who refuse to go to HD for one silly reason after another was detrimental to this game before and it it now, it's time to move on. remastered isn't actually that bad, believe it or not and you can still play lan on it if you insist that the lag is too unbearable (which it hasnt been for me for ~1500 games)
Hordes of newcomers who refuse to understand why people don't want to go to HD and the newcomers' ignorance of those reasons was detrimental to this game before and it it now, it's time to part ways. 1.16.1 with add-ons and private servers was actually that much better, believe it or not you didn't have to worry about playing lan on it and have access to loads of other features that Blizzard hasn't implemented or hasn't even promised to implement and it wasn't unbearable for tens of thousands of people (which it hasn't been for ~10 years)
You see how your post sounds reversed? Try harder next time to make a legitimate point instead of saying "Naw, all of y'all who have been playing this game for a decade and change don't know what you want or what is good for the game."
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i said do not take it to heart yet because i have not contacted the root admin for proof yet..! T_T
admins have all disappeared... i am waiting. i have them on kakaotalk.
read my post please....;;;;; not the title only;;;;;;
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On October 24 2017 22:09 Endymion wrote:
wonderful news... "dude don't worry about 1.16.1, blizzard will just leave the servers alone!!!" iccup is next
oh no what are teh 16 guys playing iccup doing then ????
the servers are still all illegal pirate server so blizzard has the right to do whatever they like to do.
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sure, if it's legal, there can't be anything wrong about it in the slightest!
not blaming anybody atm., not even blizzard, but that reasoning is extremely stupid.
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I'm not just going to believe that this has to do anything with government. It was all right to have unlimited amounts of private servers long decade until Remastered came out. Blizz just got their hands into this game, just like how they shut down so many private vanilla WoW servers.
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Thing is, remastered has matchmaking... that was the dealbreaker for me. Fuck how you used to have to find games.
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On October 26 2017 19:17 outscar wrote:
I'm not just going to believe that this has to do anything with government. It was all right to have unlimited amounts of private servers long decade until Remastered came out. Blizz just got their hands into this game, just like how they shut down so many private vanilla WoW servers.
"so many"
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