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UPDATE TO UPDATE: Moderator added that update. The image is cropped.......
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On October 26 2017 04:51 lemmata wrote:![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/dczqnxa.png) Here's the original post made on the Brain Server web site. It says that the server is shutting down due to internal circumstances. It does not mention Blizzard. It is very short.
+ Show Spoiler [Original post] +
Blizzard California and Blizzard Korea have attacked and dismantled Brain Server for 1.16.1. I cannot source it anymore because the website is wrong.
This is why many Koreans are on iCCup...
It has been stated by administrators Blizzard does not care about StarCraft. They want to control esports but I do not know... please do not quote this portion on other media or as official news.
We do not know what to do.
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wonderful news... "dude don't worry about 1.16.1, blizzard will just leave the servers alone!!!" iccup is next
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Blizzard cannot provide a product where you can reliably chat with each other, but they can track down and destroy the remaining 1.16 EUD community just for the lulz. Such a shame...
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Wondering how this story evolves.
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I'm not exactly a Blizzard fan to say the least, but I'm having a hard time believing this.
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if there was a good product that provides 1v1 2v2 matchmaking and a good ladder experience playing vs people of your región + fun team games,and a cool ladder system + CCMU fixed ,and the chat without bugs i will understand this move.
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don't care if they fix the fucking game until they ban players rebinding patrol to q, move to w, and overlord to e, what a joke. "not a material competitive advantage in zvz" lol
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From a legal perspective, Blizzard has always been in the right.
It's just that nobody with any semblance of integrity can say Blizzard has Brood War's best interests at heart. Streaming content has been more difficult after Blizzard's intervention, due to the constant lag and server issues. Blizzard has proven themselves capable in terms of shutting down competing servers, and forcing their new products down our throats, but the actual gaming experience has suffered immensely.
It truly is a horrible ordeal. Being at the mercy of something so immensely powerful, and inversely benevolent. If Blizzard had only a fraction of competence at providing some good for the Brood War scene as they are competent at claiming what is rightfully theirs, then history would have been very different.
For all their flaws, these servers were relatively free from technical issues for years on end. I truly hope Blizzard can at least match their service to the community now that they have eliminated all forms of competition.
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On October 24 2017 22:35 Endymion wrote:
don't care if they fix the fucking game until they ban players rebinding patrol to q, move to w, and overlord to e, what a joke. "not a material competitive advantage in zvz" lol
Don't start this shit here. Completely off topic.
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I should have never bought remastered.
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Killing Fish, splitting community, closing servers now when they didn't give a fuck about this game for 19 years. Typical Activision Blizz...
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Man, I'm already seeing this shit hitting WC3 servers like W3Arena when Warcraft 3 gets some attention
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they should hire wlauncher creator and mca :D
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I want to vouch for the people of brain but at the same time I'm glad they shut it down cause of the fact that N/A can't really afford to split the community right now. We are very limited players in the US and splitting it like this only makes it seem like it's dead. Past few days it has felt that way at least and i guess this new server explains the lack of activity lately. We don't have the luxury of thousands and thousands of people playing sc like korea does to be splitting the server.
On the other hand I can completely understand why people would want to go back to 1.16. The game at its current state is for lack of a better word.... fking garbage.
On the bright side, they're releasing patches frequently and I hope by the end of this year we'll have a remastered that we all dreamed of when it was announced.
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On October 24 2017 22:59 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
they should hire wlauncher creator and mca :D
^^ and the people working on shield battery.
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What happened to Shield Battery anyway?
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Blizzard sucks and the games they have released in the last 10 years also suck outside of sc2. It's okay, They want to attack our community, we can attack theirs. Just tell people to buy games from other companies. Tell people to support others. Don't even say gizzards name anymore.
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On October 24 2017 23:02 Cheesefome wrote:On the bright side, they're releasing patches frequently and I hope by the end of this year we'll have a remastered that we all dreamed of when it was announced.
Thats not going to happen for me at least. I dont see them getting rid of their slow, cheap, ugly, and shitty web interface. And that's without mentioning the issues with ethics that are never going to disappear. At this point only openbw can free us from blizzard.
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On October 24 2017 22:42 jimminy_kriket wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 22:35 Endymion wrote:
don't care if they fix the fucking game until they ban players rebinding patrol to q, move to w, and overlord to e, what a joke. "not a material competitive advantage in zvz" lol Don't start this shit here. Completely off topic.
i'm good, feels completely on topic to me given that it's becoming increasingly harder to play broodwar instead of sc2lite
User was warned for this post
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Have you even played SC2 Enymion? I promise you aren't losing games because someone changed their hotkeys lol. Sorry you want to blame anything but yourself it seems. But this is off topic anyway.
It sounds like this may not be true (but may also be true). I assume we'll know for sure later today.
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On October 24 2017 23:04 Wrath wrote:
What happened to Shield Battery anyway?
Seems to be abandoned, probably due to SCR
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i won't say anything further on the topic, but it still sucks that we're losing every way to play 1.16.1 when there is a demand for it
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Instead of fixing their shitty remastered game why do they do this?
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On October 24 2017 22:09 Endymion wrote:
wonderful news... "dude don't worry about 1.16.1, blizzard will just leave the servers alone!!!" iccup is next
ICCUp is stationed in Russia with special tactics to defense provided by big President Vladimir. No american aggressor will be able to take it down, have faith in ICCup (;
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Shitty news if it's true. Do we have any actual confirmation?
On October 25 2017 00:35 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 22:09 Endymion wrote:
wonderful news... "dude don't worry about 1.16.1, blizzard will just leave the servers alone!!!" iccup is next ICCUp is stationed in Russia with special tactics to defense provided by big President Vladimir. No american aggressor will be able to take it down, have faith in ICCup (;
I hope so. I still play games on ICCup now and then.
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On October 25 2017 00:49 BigFan wrote:Shitty news if it's true. Do we have any actual confirmation? Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 00:35 Cele wrote:On October 24 2017 22:09 Endymion wrote:
wonderful news... "dude don't worry about 1.16.1, blizzard will just leave the servers alone!!!" iccup is next ICCUp is stationed in Russia with special tactics to defense provided by big President Vladimir. No american aggressor will be able to take it down, have faith in ICCup (; I hope so. I still play games on ICCup now and then.
In all seriousness, im not attached or affiliated to ICCup staff at this moment. But my last information from not long ago is that the ownership has no plans to shut the server down. And ICCup has been notorious in the past for being resistent to outside attempts to be shut down. If we see an influx of players coming from other 3rd party servers, such as Brain andf FISH, things might be set in motion.
But ICCup would need a big upgrade in infrastructure and staff before it would be a good place to play again IMO.
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On October 25 2017 00:49 BigFan wrote:
Do we have any actual confirmation?
All the information you need is in the original post. Their announcement cannot be linked right now due to problems with their site. I don't know why some people are assuming that the original poster was spreading misinformation, without bothering to check out the facts if they truly believe it to be false.
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On October 25 2017 01:07 Letmelose wrote:All the information you need is in the original post. Their announcement cannot be linked right now due to problems with their site. I don't know why some people are assuming that the original poster was spreading misinformation, without bothering to check out the facts if they truly believe it to be false.
There was no need to be this defensive over a simple question.
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On October 25 2017 01:07 Letmelose wrote:All the information you need is in the original post. Their announcement cannot be linked right now due to problems with their site. I don't know why some people are assuming that the original poster was spreading misinformation, without bothering to check out the facts if they truly believe it to be false.
Simple really. We've had folks come in here and claim to be affiliated with x or y in the past without showing any proof whatsoever. All we have here is an OP with several sentences making such a claim. Not really hard to see why a link is needed (yes, I'm aware he said website is broken or w/e). Also, this thread would be closed without a link so I'd rather it didn't get to that point because this is important news.
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I saw this posted on the Blizzard forum
Free server (private server) is illegal in Korea.
It is not Blizzard's choice.
In Korea, there are also people who were imprisoned by operating a free server (private server).
If you do not know big problems and laws in Korean society, this discussion is meaningless.
Three government agencies in Korea cooperated to close the brain server.
(Game Rating and Administration Committee, Korea Communications Commission, Cyber Police Agency)
This is an effort to solve problems in Korean society.
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I really do hope that those guys are still working on open bw.
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"This is an effort to solve problems in Korean society" well ain't that adorable. May the Korean society prosper now that this tremendous issue is dealt with.
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On October 25 2017 01:26 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 01:07 Letmelose wrote:On October 25 2017 00:49 BigFan wrote:
Do we have any actual confirmation? All the information you need is in the original post. Their announcement cannot be linked right now due to problems with their site. I don't know why some people are assuming that the original poster was spreading misinformation, without bothering to check out the facts if they truly believe it to be false. Simple really. We've had folks come in here and claim to be affiliated with x or y in the past without showing any proof whatsoever. All we have here is an OP with several sentences making such a claim. Not really hard to see why a link is needed (yes, I'm aware he said website is broken or w/e). Also, this thread would be closed without a link so I'd rather it didn't get to that point because this is important news.
I personally would have loaded up the game and checked it out for myself if I was that eager for clarification.
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It's looking to me like these could have been closed without Blizzard's direct intervention. Getting rid of private gaming servers seems to be a priority in Korea.
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On October 25 2017 01:28 PorkSoda wrote:I saw this posted on the Blizzard forum Show nested quote +Free server (private server) is illegal in Korea.
It is not Blizzard's choice.
In Korea, there are also people who were imprisoned by operating a free server (private server).
If you do not know big problems and laws in Korean society, this discussion is meaningless.
Three government agencies in Korea cooperated to close the brain server.
(Game Rating and Administration Committee, Korea Communications Commission, Cyber Police Agency)
This is an effort to solve problems in Korean society.
Fish and brain have been notorious for having people who illegally downloaded 1.16.1 along with various hacks to play on it for years. Some argue it might have helped the game survive, but I think ultimately now that SC:R is out the free servers should be closed down
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On October 25 2017 01:53 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 01:26 BigFan wrote:On October 25 2017 01:07 Letmelose wrote:On October 25 2017 00:49 BigFan wrote:
Do we have any actual confirmation? All the information you need is in the original post. Their announcement cannot be linked right now due to problems with their site. I don't know why some people are assuming that the original poster was spreading misinformation, without bothering to check out the facts if they truly believe it to be false. Simple really. We've had folks come in here and claim to be affiliated with x or y in the past without showing any proof whatsoever. All we have here is an OP with several sentences making such a claim. Not really hard to see why a link is needed (yes, I'm aware he said website is broken or w/e). Also, this thread would be closed without a link so I'd rather it didn't get to that point because this is important news. I personally would have loaded up the game and checked it out for myself if I was that eager for clarification.
I've only ever played on ICCup so I wouldn't try and figure out how to get onto Brain now in order to check.
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If blizzard fixed their crappy looking SD version of the game i wouldn't mind them trying to take down 1.16
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They should have hosted their server outside of Korea if it was going to become illegal there.
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On October 25 2017 01:55 RCCar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 01:28 PorkSoda wrote:I saw this posted on the Blizzard forum Free server (private server) is illegal in Korea.
It is not Blizzard's choice.
In Korea, there are also people who were imprisoned by operating a free server (private server).
If you do not know big problems and laws in Korean society, this discussion is meaningless.
Three government agencies in Korea cooperated to close the brain server.
(Game Rating and Administration Committee, Korea Communications Commission, Cyber Police Agency)
This is an effort to solve problems in Korean society. Fish and brain have been notorious for having people who illegally downloaded 1.16.1 along with various hacks to play on it for years. Some argue it might have helped the game survive, but I think ultimately now that SC:R is out the free servers should be closed down
The problem isn't about the legality of it all, but the fact that people went through the trouble of installing, and moving over to those private servers in the first place, due to the vastly superior service provided for the community.
Servers run by Blizzard are, quite frankly speaking, shit. The problem isn't that Blizzard shut down illegal servers, it is totally within their jurisdiction. It is the fact that Blizzard shut down superior servers in the eyes of many, and now the community has no choice but to put up with Blizzard's inadequacy, until they feel like doing otherwise, which I'm not holding my breath for.
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In the short term, this sucks for those who prefer 1.16.1
In the long term, maybe we can put more pressure on blizzard to improve SC:RM
In the very long term, StarCraft BW will become public domain in another 66 years. So after that we won't have to worry about the legal stuff anymore
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On October 24 2017 22:37 Letmelose wrote:
From a legal perspective, Blizzard has always been in the right.
It's just that nobody with any semblance of integrity can say Blizzard has Brood War's best interests at heart. Streaming content has been more difficult after Blizzard's intervention, due to the constant lag and server issues. Blizzard has proven themselves capable in terms of shutting down competing servers, and forcing their new products down our throats, but the actual gaming experience has suffered immensely.
It truly is a horrible ordeal. Being at the mercy of something so immensely powerful, and inversely benevolent. If Blizzard had only a fraction of competence at providing some good for the Brood War scene as they are competent at claiming what is rightfully theirs, then history would have been very different.
For all their flaws, these servers were relatively free from technical issues for years on end. I truly hope Blizzard can at least match their service to the community now that they have eliminated all forms of competition.
Blizzard are lazy and they dont care, thats why they abandoned sc1 outside korea and thats why they killed sc1 in korea after sc2 came out. Only some serious internet riots can make them move their butts and do something.
exactly my thoughts, one of the richest companies in the world cannot provide better servise than some random guys.Blizzard was the company releasing the most refined and polished products and became the total opposite, releasing more and more undeveloped games. Well what other should you expect by a company so dumb that they competing with themselves sc1-sc2 hurting both games, communities and the company itself.
On October 24 2017 22:50 AdelSC123 wrote:
I should have never bought remastered.
Im glad i didnt bought it. After they forced cancel on the korean teamleague with Flash Bisu Stork and etc due to scr upcoming release i just decided blizzard gone shit forever and i will not buy any of their stuff anymore.
On October 24 2017 22:59 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
they should hire wlauncher creator and mca :D
that will be a very good deed by them.
I really hope Iccup get alive again and OpenBW was looking so promising, i wish to see this project finished.
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Sad that when Blizzard says they want to preserve Brood War, they don't realize that eco-systems and communities are almost as important as gameplay itself. Practically speaking, I doubt this affects the experience for THAT many players, but the fact that it affects ANY at all is a failure on the stated goals of SC:R.
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Yikes. I don't like hackers as much as the next guy, but the idea of there being legal ramifications to children cheating in online games is kind of nuts. Especially when cheating could extend to anything not in the original game.
In regards to the legal rights of Blizzard to do whatever with their games... I think there's such a thing as culturally significant games, and that just because laws don't exist now to protect them doesn't mean there never will be. esports is still very much in its infancy, laws won't get created until things go wrong that require laws be created. What has happened and is happening with SC1 could be one of those things. In any case, the above article would seem to indicate people are interested in tighter controls on games, just maybe heavily biased to the copyright holder.
Since the new patch is unplayable for me, I'll be pretty bummed if even iCCup gets targeted. The one good thing the Russian oligarchs can do for us is protect BW >.> Once iCCup is gone, it's LAN only, which I haven't done since before I had good internet. I wouldn't say it's protecting the consumer very well if a game company can sabotage its own products, by incompetence or intention. Everything about SC:R looks super low budget, we got Steve and the interns to work on it with the promise we might give them a real job, and told them it had to be ready by Monday. It is a far cry from the polish we have been used to from Blizzard titles (whether or not you find any of the recent ones fun, they were polished).
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SC:R is just activision blizzard's move for complete control over the game and playerbase. The game was released in a beta state and once the classic team moves on to the next project patches will be few and far between. How does SC:R look 5 years from now? Can we trust this company to do the right thing?
1.16 is the best version of BW for many reasons and the community should never stop fighting for it.
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Let's fucking show a big finger and massively switch back to iCCup. Yes, it's laggy but it's not worse than Remastered for sure. If your 1.16.1 was replaced by Remastered just download mini version from iCCup's website, get mca launcher and ready to go. Fuck Blizz and their Bugcraft Rebutchered.
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How miserable!
Although their dev team is slow,
their lawyers are fast. ;;
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On October 25 2017 03:07 Waxangel wrote:
Sad that when Blizzard says they want to preserve Brood War, they don't realize that eco-systems and communities are almost as important as gameplay itself. Practically speaking, I doubt this affects the experience for THAT many players, but the fact that it affects ANY at all is a failure on the stated goals of SC:R.
To be fair, if Blizzard is to follow through on "preserving Brood War", they have to centralize everyone on their platform or it simply won't be profitable enough to be feasible. People playing on private servers often have cracked copies of the game AND they contribute to the private site's traffic numbers, not Blizzard/Activision. Communities need to be preserved, but private servers that don't require you to buy the game are bad for business.
I'm not saying that Mike Morhaime is charging, in riding his Unicorn across the rainbow to save Brood War. Anyone who thought that was going to happen was kidding themselves. This is a business venture, and it has similar implications to other business ventures including a requirement for profitability and exclusivity.
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On October 25 2017 04:23 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 03:07 Waxangel wrote:
Sad that when Blizzard says they want to preserve Brood War, they don't realize that eco-systems and communities are almost as important as gameplay itself. Practically speaking, I doubt this affects the experience for THAT many players, but the fact that it affects ANY at all is a failure on the stated goals of SC:R. Communities need to be preserved, but private servers that don't require you to buy the game are bad for business.
Is it?
That's possibly because the study concluded that there was no evidence that piracy affects copyrighted sales, and in the case of video games, might actually help them.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/22/eu-suppressed-study-piracy-no-sales-impact/
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At least they should have waited until they fixed the major issues. Korea server alone lost about 10k users at peak hours these past few weeks. The server couldn't host around 30k people and kept crashing at peak time every day. Don't think shutting down competitors would improve this situation.
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private servers are not a problem, the problem is public servers having never been good enough
lets be serious, the amount of money blizzard made off of every single game is far above high enough, and if people want to play on private servers, if there are laws that actually help blizzard attack that, well I say these laws should be changed because they are just bad for gaming and for gamers
i feel like I just hate blizzard now. It feels like not only they dont care, but they are actively damaging things trying to control what people play and how. They damage chat, they damage servers, ergonomy, intrude with adware, it looks like they want you to buy smtg and then stop playing that cause its not so good and instead buy and play their newest crap. That may be just what's going on.
Well fuck blizzard. If you work at blizzard, leave this shitty company. The last time I bought smtg from this shitty company was Diablo 3 at release, and then I didn't for years. And now I feel even worse about it. Fuck blizzard, screw its rotten leadership and business making. You suck.
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So is it still a Blizzard decision or do those articles posted from Korean sources make it not Blizzard's fault? Need to know if I should take my pitchfork out or not, please advise.
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Blizzard doing shitty blizzard things since forever.
Did you guys seriously trust Blizzard for a moment, even though they basically forced the Korean scene to switch so they can make more profits?
The only way BW can survive is through the community itself. Can't trust blizzard ever
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I now consider blizzard an enemy of gaming and of gamers
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On October 25 2017 02:14 Lazare1969 wrote:
They should have hosted their server outside of Korea if it was going to become illegal there.
Yep this is the way to do. Can't sue if you are on some island.
Blizzard plays dirty, we have to play dirty as well.
Get it on reddit as well. Show them that Blizzard is on the same level as EA in terms of shittyness.
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On October 25 2017 02:52 hiro protagonist wrote:
In the short term, this sucks for those who prefer 1.16.1
In the long term, maybe we can put more pressure on blizzard to improve SC:RM
In the very long term, StarCraft BW will become public domain in another 66 years. So after that we won't have to worry about the legal stuff anymore
LOL wtf most of us will be dead by that time
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On October 25 2017 06:03 duke91 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 02:14 Lazare1969 wrote:
They should have hosted their server outside of Korea if it was going to become illegal there. Yep this is the way to do. Can't sue if you are on some island. Blizzard plays dirty, we have to play dirty as well. Get it on reddit as well. Show them that Blizzard is on the same level as EA in terms of shittyness.
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Apparently, if a server is hosted in Russia, no problem, laws in russia don't allow this. Also in some european countries, hosting private servers is not illegal, including France apparently as I learned recently.
If blizzard is hostile to us we should not give them anything, just consider them an enemy. They are playing AGAINST the players.
Whatever stupid IP excuse they try to pull, Starcraft does not belong to Blizzard. I've bought it, I got it on my computer and elsewhere, I own it and I'll do what I want with it. If anybody does whatever with Starcraft it is none of blizzard's concern. I consider it public domain.
I may come back to play on ICCup later, but something we would want imo is to make these servers easily accessible to people without having to look for them, that's the challenge.
Hacking into the shitty blizzard app would be fun xD
grab the SCR code, make it better ourselves, etc^^
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On October 25 2017 06:00 Jealous wrote:
So is it still a Blizzard decision or do those articles posted from Korean sources make it not Blizzard's fault? Need to know if I should take my pitchfork out or not, please advise.
Everyone seems to skip your comment in favour of circlejerking because it's so easy to hate Blizz, but I have the same question as you. I really want to know what's going on. It doesn't help that this thread was posted by fish radio and if I have to choose between believing him or random korean netizens I will always choose the latter.
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On October 25 2017 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
private servers are not a problem, the problem is public servers having never been good enough
lets be serious, the amount of money blizzard made off of every single game is far above high enough, and if people want to play on private servers, if there are laws that actually help blizzard attack that, well I say these laws should be changed because they are just bad for gaming and for gamers
i feel like I just hate blizzard now. It feels like not only they dont care, but they are actively damaging things trying to control what people play and how. They damage chat, they damage servers, ergonomy, intrude with adware, it looks like they want you to buy smtg and then stop playing that cause its not so good and instead buy and play their newest crap. That may be just what's going on.
Well fuck blizzard. If you work at blizzard, leave this shitty company. The last time I bought smtg from this shitty company was Diablo 3 at release, and then I didn't for years. And now I feel even worse about it. Fuck blizzard, screw its rotten leadership and business making. You suck.
If we're being serious, you'd be hard pressed to find a company that isn't driving their game into the dirt in order to make a quick profit.
Bungie has been eager to drag destiny through the dirt
Call of Duty gets progressively worse
Where is command & conquer?
I mean, do we even need to mention EA?
Credit given where credit is due, Blizzard is one of the least terrible companies in video games (though that isn't saying much). In fact, all of the major events that have come up in the past few months are a direct result of Blizzard's intervention, creating Starcraft: Remastered and the hype surrounding that.
I love shitting on Blizzard as much as the next guy, but to be honest, if I was the owner operator of Blizzard entertainment, I would want to get rid of Starcraft: Brood War and it's community because all we do here is constantly shit on Blizzard and their other more successful (financially) titles. Blizzard is actually doing far more for Brood War than anyone expected and yeah, it's unfortunate that it has to come with the legal side effects.
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On October 25 2017 02:52 hiro protagonist wrote:
In the short term, this sucks for those who prefer 1.16.1
In the long term, maybe we can put more pressure on blizzard to improve SC:RM
It`s clearly not the case, they don`t care after you already bought the game.
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On October 25 2017 06:18 noname_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 02:52 hiro protagonist wrote:
In the short term, this sucks for those who prefer 1.16.1
In the long term, maybe we can put more pressure on blizzard to improve SC:RM It`s clearly not the case, they don`t care after you already bought the game.
They will care if they wan't more people to buy the game.
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On October 25 2017 06:17 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
private servers are not a problem, the problem is public servers having never been good enough
lets be serious, the amount of money blizzard made off of every single game is far above high enough, and if people want to play on private servers, if there are laws that actually help blizzard attack that, well I say these laws should be changed because they are just bad for gaming and for gamers
i feel like I just hate blizzard now. It feels like not only they dont care, but they are actively damaging things trying to control what people play and how. They damage chat, they damage servers, ergonomy, intrude with adware, it looks like they want you to buy smtg and then stop playing that cause its not so good and instead buy and play their newest crap. That may be just what's going on.
Well fuck blizzard. If you work at blizzard, leave this shitty company. The last time I bought smtg from this shitty company was Diablo 3 at release, and then I didn't for years. And now I feel even worse about it. Fuck blizzard, screw its rotten leadership and business making. You suck. If we're being serious, you'd be hard pressed to find a company that isn't driving their game into the dirt in order to make a quick profit. Bungie has been eager to drag destiny through the dirt Call of Duty gets progressively worse Where is command & conquer? I mean, do we even need to mention EA? Credit given where credit is due, Blizzard is one of the least terrible companies in video games (though that isn't saying much).
sure there are a bunch of other shitty companies, I dont care about them cause I dont think their past games are so good or whatever I just dont play them
there are also plenty of better companies, I dont even want to name some
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On October 25 2017 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
it looks like they want you to buy smtg and then stop playing that cause its not so good and instead buy and play their newest crap. That may be just what's going on.
that one is a good theory, why buy one thing and play it forever when you can get bored of it and buy another and another
On October 25 2017 06:01 duke91 wrote:
Did you guys seriously trust Blizzard for a moment, even though they basically forced the Korean scene to switch so they can make more profits?
The only way BW can survive is through the community itself. Can't trust blizzard ever
Exactly that moment was when i called Lizzard GG no re, what they did then was unforgivable.
OpenBW as a project looks more promising than scr is at the moment.
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On October 25 2017 06:16 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 06:00 Jealous wrote:
So is it still a Blizzard decision or do those articles posted from Korean sources make it not Blizzard's fault? Need to know if I should take my pitchfork out or not, please advise. Everyone seems to skip your comment in favour of circlejerking because it's so easy to hate Blizz, but I have the same question as you. I really want to know what's going on. It doesn't help that this thread was posted by fish radio and if I have to choose between believing him or random korean netizens I will always choose the latter.
wtf does circlejerking mean to you? sure, let's see confirmation
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On October 25 2017 00:35 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 22:09 Endymion wrote:
wonderful news... "dude don't worry about 1.16.1, blizzard will just leave the servers alone!!!" iccup is next ICCUp is stationed in Russia with special tactics to defense provided by big President Vladimir. No american aggressor will be able to take it down, have faith in ICCup (;
My guess is that they will leave servers outside Korea alone. Apparently blizzard gets about 25 cents per hour for playing starcraft in pc bangs. Shutting down Korean private server is most likely to maximize that.
edit : 3 cents >25 cents
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On October 25 2017 06:27 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 06:16 TheNewEra wrote:On October 25 2017 06:00 Jealous wrote:
So is it still a Blizzard decision or do those articles posted from Korean sources make it not Blizzard's fault? Need to know if I should take my pitchfork out or not, please advise. Everyone seems to skip your comment in favour of circlejerking because it's so easy to hate Blizz, but I have the same question as you. I really want to know what's going on. It doesn't help that this thread was posted by fish radio and if I have to choose between believing him or random korean netizens I will always choose the latter. wtf does circlejerking mean to you? sure, let's see confirmation
You're right. Maybe circlejerking wasn't the best expression. The point still stands though 
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On October 25 2017 06:17 Eywa- wrote:I love shitting on Blizzard as much as the next guy, but to be honest, if I was the owner operator of Blizzard entertainment, I would want to get rid of Starcraft: Brood War and it's community because all we do here is constantly shit on Blizzard and their other more successful (financially) titles. Blizzard is actually doing far more for Brood War than anyone expected and yeah, it's unfortunate that it has to come with the legal side effects.
Well you know what if you are like that too thats too bad. Blizzard has done a lot of bad for Brood War, and a half assed good (half good, half big damage) that still got me and others to stop playing. I am AGAINST blizzard having any control of private servers. Legal side effects? I don't care if it's legal or illegal, I care if it's good for the gamers or not. One thing is legal there illegal elsewhere. If a law sucks, a law can change. You don't have to use a law that lets you do smtg like that. Only if you are playing AGAINST the players, which we know blizzard is. They have been for a long time now.
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On October 25 2017 06:32 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 06:27 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On October 25 2017 06:16 TheNewEra wrote:On October 25 2017 06:00 Jealous wrote:
So is it still a Blizzard decision or do those articles posted from Korean sources make it not Blizzard's fault? Need to know if I should take my pitchfork out or not, please advise. Everyone seems to skip your comment in favour of circlejerking because it's so easy to hate Blizz, but I have the same question as you. I really want to know what's going on. It doesn't help that this thread was posted by fish radio and if I have to choose between believing him or random korean netizens I will always choose the latter. wtf does circlejerking mean to you? sure, let's see confirmation You're right. Maybe circlejerking wasn't the best expression. The point still stands though
yeah yours and the other points sure let's see confirmation yes I'm not skipping your posts yo
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I wouldn't be as annoyed with developments like this if the RM version of the game didn't have so many absurd issues. The following is somewhat off-topic but I think relevant in that it demonstrates that developers' seeming complete lack of knowledge regarding what the playerbase actually cares about:
Whispering is still broken. Often can't /r either. Sometimes if I can't whisper a friend by using /w, when they are obviously online and I'm playing with them. Frequently, they won't even show up on my friend list in game, despite the fact that I'm talking to them in a channel. If I minimize and use the app to message them, it crashes BW for BOTH of us.
Display of game records seem to be broken. I can't see a record for anyone on my friend list; it displays 0-0-0 for all of them. I also cannot view profiles for many people on my friend list, but can for strangers. I don't know if this is intended or not.
Adding people to friend list is miserable. There doesn't seem to be any way to do so outside of finding out their NAME#12345 ID, and that often entails asking them to find it and tell you. Typing /f add doesn't do anything. This has been a big pain in the ass in trying to add new friends, since a lot of people don't know how to find their ID or don't speak English well enough for me to explain it. This has led to the position where having played some GGs, I and another player cannot manage to actually friend add one another. If you're on the same realm, playing in the same game, you should be able to type /f add ACCOUNT and that should be it.
Blizz needs to fix these social-aspect issues of the game. Right now, between chat bugs and what I assume is an attempted merger of the Blizz app and the standard b.net friend list, the social portion of BW has been pretty damaged.
There are many other minor bugs right now, but the chat bugs are to me the biggest problem right now. But so many of the issues seem to scream that the programmers don't actually play the game. Like one minor thing--how can you program in a follow button for friends, but then if they join a private game with a password not have the option to press follow and enter the password? Right now, if a friend hosts a private game, and I click the follow button, it just says the game cannot be joined. So I have to go to the public game list--which lists private games publicly--and find the game and enter the PW. Anyone who plays a decent amount of BW knows that tons of games are hosted privately for all sorts of purposes. This issue would have been naturally taken into consideration upon the decision to add a follow button by anyone who regularly plays BW. There are many other issues of this nature; minor, but telling.
As I type this, I'm trying to find a game to play on USW. I can't see any games in the game list. This is a recurring issue. I usually have to go through the hassle of completely logging out of bnet and then back in for the list to show up again. That isn't currently working. I guess I'll just have to wait until the game decides to work again.
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If the leadership of blizzard wants to do away with quality chat & interfaces in their games to control how players play and make it difficult to criticize them, they might put their staff in a position where they are not working on the issue properly. It's possible they do not want their future games to have proper chats, rather interfaces that tell you how to play what games and limit players interactions. And so they might try to erase the past superior features. This is a pattern we have seen since SC2 came out.
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On October 25 2017 02:52 hiro protagonist wrote:
In the short term, this sucks for those who prefer 1.16.1
In the long term, maybe we can put more pressure on blizzard to improve SC:RM
In the very long term, StarCraft BW will become public domain in another 66 years. So after that we won't have to worry about the legal stuff anymore
If anyone wants to play some 1.16.1 PM me on here in 2083 then i guess.
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On October 25 2017 06:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 02:52 hiro protagonist wrote:
In the short term, this sucks for those who prefer 1.16.1
In the long term, maybe we can put more pressure on blizzard to improve SC:RM
In the very long term, StarCraft BW will become public domain in another 66 years. So after that we won't have to worry about the legal stuff anymore If anyone wants to play some 1.16.1 PM me on here in 2083 then i guess.
Likely dead then sadly, unless we solve aging by then 
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This is sad to hear but not unexpected at this point. Blizzard has become a shell of its former self that curb stomped the best rts game ever created, ruined WoW and failed miserably with D3. Not to mention their pathetic attempt to cash in on the moba series with Hots, the only reason OW is successful is the character fan art drives its players. From shutting down private servers to making every game monetized, Blizzard is pure garbage at this point. Be sure to lookout for WC4 being made in the backgrounds 100% for the easy cash grab.
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Apparently the reason brain server was closed was that it was a private, but free server, which is illegal in korea. It was shut down by/on the advice of the korean government.
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If iCCup wants assistance I will join. I do not request a salary, I can volunteer. I can translate the website, server, and commands to Korean.
I would like to include the Hangul fix patch to the iCCup and mca64Launcher
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On October 25 2017 01:28 PorkSoda wrote:I saw this posted on the Blizzard forum Show nested quote +Free server (private server) is illegal in Korea.
It is not Blizzard's choice.
In Korea, there are also people who were imprisoned by operating a free server (private server).
If you do not know big problems and laws in Korean society, this discussion is meaningless.
Three government agencies in Korea cooperated to close the brain server.
(Game Rating and Administration Committee, Korea Communications Commission, Cyber Police Agency)
This is an effort to solve problems in Korean society.
This seems like the most important piece of argument in Blizzard's favour. Thanks for posting.
Blizzard claims to just be cooperating with a legal initiative that wasn't started by them. This may be false, but it may also be true. Needs further investigation in my opinion. It isn't right to judge Blizzard for this incident in lieu of further information.
Edit: Also this:
Just reposting this in case too many people missed it on the previous page.
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On October 25 2017 07:02 BongChambers wrote:
This is sad to hear but not unexpected at this point. Blizzard has become a shell of its former self that curb stomped the best rts game ever created, ruined WoW and failed miserably with D3. Not to mention their pathetic attempt to cash in on the moba series with Hots, the only reason OW is successful is the character fan art drives its players. From shutting down private servers to making every game monetized, Blizzard is pure garbage at this point. Be sure to lookout for WC4 being made in the backgrounds 100% for the easy cash grab.
To be fair, Hots is a fantastic moba. Don't care about the initial critics, the game massively improve since.
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On October 25 2017 06:17 Eywa- wrote:
In fact, all of the major events that have come up in the past few months are a direct result of Blizzard's intervention, creating Starcraft: Remastered and the hype surrounding that.
Like ATB 2
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On October 25 2017 10:45 ortseam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 06:17 Eywa- wrote:
In fact, all of the major events that have come up in the past few months are a direct result of Blizzard's intervention, creating Starcraft: Remastered and the hype surrounding that.
Like ATB 2
that made me so mad. Not sure what he's talking about, guessing he means the foreign community tourneys since KR ones have been doing fine and improving before rm announcement.
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Well Blizzard hasn't intervened with the foreign scene for years and this didn't change with SC:R (which is imo a good thing), obviously the release created interest but still not a direct involvement.
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On October 25 2017 06:09 JungleTerrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 02:52 hiro protagonist wrote:
In the short term, this sucks for those who prefer 1.16.1
In the long term, maybe we can put more pressure on blizzard to improve SC:RM
In the very long term, StarCraft BW will become public domain in another 66 years. So after that we won't have to worry about the legal stuff anymore LOL wtf most of us will be dead by that time
Gotta leave something for our grandchildren! BW ForevA!
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OpenBW:
Since several people have mentioned OpenBW in this context:
The project is still very much alive. In its current state it is playable by bots. That is, the user interface for human players is missing but the complete game can be played by issuing commands programatically.
tscmoo took the time to implement the BWAPI 4.2 such that a standard interface is available. All code is published on github and can be downloaded / modified by anyone.
I will update the OpenBW thread with the latest developments soon. In the meantime, you can see a showcase of a simple example bot playing against itself using OpenBW on Linux here.
we have put on hold only the BW HD part when SC:R was announced.
Personal Opinion:
this is my personal opinion and not not related in any way to OpenBW:
we must take matters into our own hands and cannot rely on a company like Blizzard to do what's best for the community. They will always do what they think is best for the shareholder. And more often than not they will have a rather short-term perspective when doing so.
Personally, I bought SC:R asap and have played 1 (!) multi-player game so far, where I ended up apologizing to my opponent because the game was utterly unplayable. Even though it only cost me a few dollars, Blizzard sold me a product that does not work. In other industries that would be considered fraud. And no, I don't want to have to patch anything and hope it will work at some point in the future. Would anyone buy a car and just take home the wheels plus a promise that the engine will be delivered with the next patch?
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man, I wish blizz would just hire mca and wlauncher guy. that's a pipe dream right? they could make things so much better if they had official support..
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To be fair, Brain Server isn't even needed anymore.
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On October 25 2017 14:05 oDieN[Siege] wrote:
To be fair, Brain Server isn't even needed anymore.
What's the reasoning behind that? A cryptic comment like that with no explanation or reasoning is pretty useless.
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well... iccup crashes my game after seconds...
mca64Launcher and iCCup launcher. iccup antihack crashes the computer if it is in wlauncher
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On October 25 2017 14:14 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 14:05 oDieN[Siege] wrote:
To be fair, Brain Server isn't even needed anymore. What's the reasoning behind that? A cryptic comment like that with no explanation or reasoning is pretty useless.
Same guy who said this earlier in the thread:
On October 25 2017 07:34 oDieN[Siege] wrote:
It's about time! RIP
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This is getting better and better!
HAHA, so much salt and hate!
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Blizzard sucks.
tbf moving to iccup is not the best idea because the admins don't give a shit about bw anymore, it's a dota website.
if you want to play 1.16 properly, go to shieldbattery.
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On October 25 2017 06:16 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 06:00 Jealous wrote:
So is it still a Blizzard decision or do those articles posted from Korean sources make it not Blizzard's fault? Need to know if I should take my pitchfork out or not, please advise. Everyone seems to skip your comment in favour of circlejerking because it's so easy to hate Blizz, but I have the same question as you. I really want to know what's going on. It doesn't help that this thread was posted by fish radio and if I have to choose between believing him or random korean netizens I will always choose the latter.
This. This thread is just pointless hating until some legitimate source of information comes out. The op should even probably be edited.
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On October 25 2017 15:31 jimminy_kriket wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 06:16 TheNewEra wrote:On October 25 2017 06:00 Jealous wrote:
So is it still a Blizzard decision or do those articles posted from Korean sources make it not Blizzard's fault? Need to know if I should take my pitchfork out or not, please advise. Everyone seems to skip your comment in favour of circlejerking because it's so easy to hate Blizz, but I have the same question as you. I really want to know what's going on. It doesn't help that this thread was posted by fish radio and if I have to choose between believing him or random korean netizens I will always choose the latter. This. This thread is just pointless hating until some legitimate source of information comes out. The op should even probably be edited.
there might be an archive or image of the announcement by the administrator somewhere;; i can't find anything... ask ygosu maybe. i don't know. sorry..
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 25 2017 12:49 imp42 wrote:OpenBW:Since several people have mentioned OpenBW in this context: The project is still very much alive. In its current state it is playable by bots. That is, the user interface for human players is missing but the complete game can be played by issuing commands programatically. tscmoo took the time to implement the BWAPI 4.2 such that a standard interface is available. All code is published on github and can be downloaded / modified by anyone. I will update the OpenBW thread with the latest developments soon. In the meantime, you can see a showcase of a simple example bot playing against itself using OpenBW on Linux here. we have put on hold only the BW HD part when SC:R was announced. Personal Opinion:this is my personal opinion and not not related in any way to OpenBW: we must take matters into our own hands and cannot rely on a company like Blizzard to do what's best for the community. They will always do what they think is best for the shareholder. And more often than not they will have a rather short-term perspective when doing so. Personally, I bought SC:R asap and have played 1 (!) multi-player game so far, where I ended up apologizing to my opponent because the game was utterly unplayable. Even though it only cost me a few dollars, Blizzard sold me a product that does not work. In other industries that would be considered fraud. And no, I don't want to have to patch anything and hope it will work at some point in the future. Would anyone buy a car and just take home the wheels plus a promise that the engine will be delivered with the next patch?
What you're doing with OpenBW is fantastic and I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I believe that we will be able play and enjoy BW to its fullest for many years to come but only if we release ourselves from Blizzard's influence. Until then we will always be looking over our shoulders, hoping they don't decide to fuck us over in an irreparable way.
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On October 25 2017 12:49 imp42 wrote:OpenBW:Since several people have mentioned OpenBW in this context: The project is still very much alive. In its current state it is playable by bots. That is, the user interface for human players is missing but the complete game can be played by issuing commands programatically. tscmoo took the time to implement the BWAPI 4.2 such that a standard interface is available. All code is published on github and can be downloaded / modified by anyone. I will update the OpenBW thread with the latest developments soon. In the meantime, you can see a showcase of a simple example bot playing against itself using OpenBW on Linux here. we have put on hold only the BW HD part when SC:R was announced. Personal Opinion:this is my personal opinion and not not related in any way to OpenBW: we must take matters into our own hands and cannot rely on a company like Blizzard to do what's best for the community. They will always do what they think is best for the shareholder. And more often than not they will have a rather short-term perspective when doing so. Personally, I bought SC:R asap and have played 1 (!) multi-player game so far, where I ended up apologizing to my opponent because the game was utterly unplayable. Even though it only cost me a few dollars, Blizzard sold me a product that does not work. In other industries that would be considered fraud. And no, I don't want to have to patch anything and hope it will work at some point in the future. Would anyone buy a car and just take home the wheels plus a promise that the engine will be delivered with the next patch?
Loving the passion!
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Sad. I like remastered but this is still a giant douche move from Blizzard.
On October 25 2017 06:00 Jealous wrote:
So is it still a Blizzard decision or do those articles posted from Korean sources make it not Blizzard's fault? Need to know if I should take my pitchfork out or not, please advise.
The koreatimes article was posted over a year ago and nobody had cared about Brain, but now that SC:R came out they suddenly want to take it down. I have a hard time believing Blizzard didn't at least have some hand in that.
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until i can contact the root admin, please hold with a logical:
brain just added a clan channel system two weeks ago
brain just added a color chat option one week ago
brain just overhauled the 2v2 and 3v3 ladder three days ago
why would it close suddenly?
"oh we did all this now goodbye~" NO NO
ㄷㄷ...
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I'm still waiting for Blizz to fix all the bugs in 1.20 before buying SCR.
It's so frustrating that basic features such as friends list, messaging, mouse, etc. still don't work. Been like that since 1.18 released in April...
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On October 25 2017 10:47 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 10:45 ortseam wrote:On October 25 2017 06:17 Eywa- wrote:
In fact, all of the major events that have come up in the past few months are a direct result of Blizzard's intervention, creating Starcraft: Remastered and the hype surrounding that.
Like ATB 2 that made me so mad. Not sure what he's talking about, guessing he means the foreign community tourneys since KR ones have been doing fine and improving before rm announcement.
Well, based on a quick survey of the TL threads, ASL4 has generated significantly more traffic here than ASL3, and while some of that can be attributed to the prize pool, a lot of it is due to people coming back to the game.
Yes, ASL already existed and the Korean Scene seemed to be coming back, but the interest level in Brood War has risen since the release of remastered. A lot of people who are complaining about Remastered (not all) weren't here to complain about Brood War as they had stopped playing / stopped regularly tuning in.
I understand the frustration and I share some of the frustration, but Blizzard wants to be in on eSports, this is their biggest opportunity (with the Korean scene) to be in on eSports. They are going to patch their servers so that Koreans can play without issues. I've already seen a whole bunch of improvements from when I first started on remastered till now.
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On October 25 2017 18:40 fish_radio wrote:
until i can contact the root admin, please hold with a logical:
brain just added a clan channel system two weeks ago
brain just added a color chat option one week ago
brain just overhauled the 2v2 and 3v3 ladder three days ago
why would it close suddenly?
"oh we did all this now goodbye~" NO NO
ㄷㄷ...
It's pretty clear what it's about.
Blizz gets more $$ from the pc bang operators when people play remastered compared to when they play 1.16.
They were worried about PC bangs running parallel 1.16 copies of the game and paying less money to blizz because of the new double dipping fee rules remastered has.
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Such a bummer seeing starcraft slowly being dismantled by the same company who promised not to change a thing and conserve starcraft the way it was.
And I thought remastered was going to be amazing =/
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Ya'll keep posting like it fucking matters hey
I'm sure a gigantic multinational corporation gives a fuck about the 500 of you who play this game
Wake up sheeple
User was warned for this post
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On October 25 2017 12:49 imp42 wrote:OpenBW:Since several people have mentioned OpenBW in this context: The project is still very much alive. In its current state it is playable by bots. That is, the user interface for human players is missing but the complete game can be played by issuing commands programatically. tscmoo took the time to implement the BWAPI 4.2 such that a standard interface is available. All code is published on github and can be downloaded / modified by anyone. I will update the OpenBW thread with the latest developments soon. In the meantime, you can see a showcase of a simple example bot playing against itself using OpenBW on Linux here. we have put on hold only the BW HD part when SC:R was announced. Personal Opinion:this is my personal opinion and not not related in any way to OpenBW: we must take matters into our own hands and cannot rely on a company like Blizzard to do what's best for the community. They will always do what they think is best for the shareholder. And more often than not they will have a rather short-term perspective when doing so. Personally, I bought SC:R asap and have played 1 (!) multi-player game so far, where I ended up apologizing to my opponent because the game was utterly unplayable. Even though it only cost me a few dollars, Blizzard sold me a product that does not work. In other industries that would be considered fraud. And no, I don't want to have to patch anything and hope it will work at some point in the future. Would anyone buy a car and just take home the wheels plus a promise that the engine will be delivered with the next patch?
You played one game and decided it didn't work? I've played over 100 ladder matches and most have worked beautifully. I've been playing diplomacy and WWII DIE (6-7 player UMS maps) over the last two days, and only one game experienced significant lag and that was only intermittent. Maybe your software isn't configured properly.
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On October 25 2017 17:41 Zealgoon wrote:Sad. I like remastered but this is still a giant douche move from Blizzard. Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 06:00 Jealous wrote:
So is it still a Blizzard decision or do those articles posted from Korean sources make it not Blizzard's fault? Need to know if I should take my pitchfork out or not, please advise. The koreatimes article was posted over a year ago and nobody had cared about Brain, but now that SC:R came out they suddenly want to take it down. I have a hard time believing Blizzard didn't at least have some hand in that.
Did you not see the other article that was posted? Private server didn't become illegal until this year. You can expect to see more of them taken down. If people want to maintain a private server they will have to do it outside of Korea.
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Well fuck you blizzard. Private servers have kept the game alive for years upon years when Blizzard abandoned BW.
First they push fish out of business and now this. I guess iccup is next. BWs future is entirely up to blizzard now, let's hope that they don't fuck it up.
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After reading through this whole thread I’m a bit confused. It looks to me like around page 4 information and sources were provided indicating that Blizzard didn’t have much (if anything) to do with this shut down. But the more recent comments go back to hate and bashing on Blizzard. Was there new information posted elsewhere that I’m not aware of?
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On October 25 2017 23:57 Lorch wrote:
Well fuck you blizzard. Private servers have kept the game alive for years upon years when Blizzard abandoned BW.
First they push fish out of business and now this. I guess iccup is next. BWs future is entirely up to blizzard now, let's hope that they don't fuck it up.
Blizz didn't close Brain, and Iccup isn't going to be closed because it's based in Russia
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On October 26 2017 00:04 AManHasNoName wrote:
After reading through this whole thread I’m a bit confused. It looks to me like around page 4 information and sources were provided indicating that Blizzard didn’t have much (if anything) to do with this shut down. But the more recent comments go back to hate and bashing on Blizzard. Was there new information posted elsewhere that I’m not aware of?
I've followed the thread and no one has posted an actual source indicating that this is Blizzard's doing. People are just reading the title and jumping in to bash Blizzard.
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Are fish_radio posts not enough proof for you? /s
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On October 26 2017 00:04 AManHasNoName wrote:
After reading through this whole thread I’m a bit confused. It looks to me like around page 4 information and sources were provided indicating that Blizzard didn’t have much (if anything) to do with this shut down. But the more recent comments go back to hate and bashing on Blizzard. Was there new information posted elsewhere that I’m not aware of?
I don't know either but all I can say is it costs resources to track these things down and shut them out, so it being done with no complaints being made seems not too likely. The laws themselves exist at all because game companies must be complaining and lobbying against it, and the article did specifically cite Overwatch as being a victim.
I'm think private servers have always been illegal at least in the US? At least I think it might have been in the ToS whether or not it was really binding. But in general I'm almost certain Blizzard has never wanted private servers to be used for their games, never given permission, never (until Remastered announcement with Fish) ever condoned them. I'm sure it's not a thing specific to Remastered or even to Blizzard alone, but a more general influence of the games industry demanding greater control, and the Korean government complying / buckling under the pressure. And probably part of a wider-spread issue with copyright infringement of foreign characters and IPs in Korea, which does give Korea a somewhat sour reputation.
But still, no one spends money if no one asks for something to be done. It's not like a murder or a kidnapping. Someone has to say their IP is being violated.
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On October 25 2017 23:18 PorkSoda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 12:49 imp42 wrote:
OpenBW:
[...]I bought SC:R asap and have played 1 (!) multi-player game so far, where I ended up apologizing to my opponent because the game was utterly unplayable. [...] You played one game and decided it didn't work? I've played over 100 ladder matches and most have worked beautifully. I've been playing diplomacy and WWII DIE (6-7 player UMS maps) over the last two days, and only one game experienced significant lag and that was only intermittent. Maybe your software isn't configured properly.
I tried a couple single player games as well. It's some kind of input lag which makes it virtually impossible to e.g. drone-drill on time.
Maybe you're right and something isn't configured properly. But I don't have those issues with the original 1.16.1.
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On October 24 2017 23:56 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 22:42 jimminy_kriket wrote:On October 24 2017 22:35 Endymion wrote:
don't care if they fix the fucking game until they ban players rebinding patrol to q, move to w, and overlord to e, what a joke. "not a material competitive advantage in zvz" lol Don't start this shit here. Completely off topic. i'm good, feels completely on topic to me given that it's becoming increasingly harder to play broodwar instead of sc2lite User was warned for this post
you can still disable hotkeys in custom games you know...
Also is there any actual proof that Blizzard is behind the shutdown? Or is it just another clickbaity title to get the small percentile of the sub 10000 foreigners who play this game to raise their pitchforks, half of them just eagerly waiting on news in this forum to have yet another reason to hate at blizzard and to shit on SC:R, just out of spite.
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Only some serious internet riots can make them move their butts and do something.
I don't really think Blizzard as a company really cares that much what less than 1% of their fanbase playing a 20 year old game thinks of them. Most of them do not even buy any new games of them and constantly shit on their new games (even before the release of sc2 that has been the general trend). Yet that hasn't stopped the community from feeling delusional enough to think that SCR was all but a quick cash grab. As if Blizzard would have made more money out of SCR than they would have made from devoting these programmers to fixing bugs in WoW/Overwatch.
Unfortunately the BW community thinks its entitled to everything. You think you are entitled to have illegal servers (even though it should have been common knowledge that Blizzard could shut them down at any moment), free copies of the game... etc.
The only argument of any value is that the promises with SCR (good servers, team matchmaking, ....) were not delivered upon release and are still not delivered 3 months after.
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I was about to buy Overwatch, because a friend was having a blast with it, but now I can no longer support Blizzard Activision.
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On October 26 2017 00:04 AManHasNoName wrote:
After reading through this whole thread I’m a bit confused. It looks to me like around page 4 information and sources were provided indicating that Blizzard didn’t have much (if anything) to do with this shut down. But the more recent comments go back to hate and bashing on Blizzard. Was there new information posted elsewhere that I’m not aware of?
People are clearly just looking at the title and not reading the several pages of thread.
On October 26 2017 01:35 aQuaSC wrote:
Are fish_radio posts not enough proof for you? /s
No....
His history isn't exactly uhh...too great. Incredibly bias and doesn't actually have any affiliation with brain.
Combine that with the recent passing/effect of the new law regarding private gaming and there is no reason to implicate anyone at this stage. A statement from Brain would be nice, but for now there is no evidence that Blizzard had anything to do with the closure of Brain.
On October 25 2017 23:05 Kaos_StarCraft wrote:
Ya'll keep posting like it fucking matters hey
I'm sure a gigantic multinational corporation gives a fuck about the 500 of you who play this game
Wake up sheeple
User was warned for this post
You clearly don't understand why people are posting here. Stopping to think about it might clear it up for you.
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United States8017 Posts
On October 25 2017 23:57 Lorch wrote:
Well fuck you blizzard. Private servers have kept the game alive for years upon years when Blizzard abandoned BW.
First they push fish out of business and now this. I guess iccup is next. BWs future is entirely up to blizzard now, let's hope that they don't fuck it up.
Why do people just read the title, only the title, and then post. ;(
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Why is Blizzard not making a new version of SC like CS:GO with CS, which Sc2 and SC:BW people can play? A whole community is split amongst games and servers.
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Johto4933 Posts
Worst case you then have 3 titles in competition. CS got incredibly lucky that this worked out for them, and it took years to get there as initially people didn't like CS:GO a lot. Also you can't just develop such a game in a year.
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On October 26 2017 03:28 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 23:57 Lorch wrote:
Well fuck you blizzard. Private servers have kept the game alive for years upon years when Blizzard abandoned BW.
First they push fish out of business and now this. I guess iccup is next. BWs future is entirely up to blizzard now, let's hope that they don't fuck it up. Why do people just read the title, only the title, and then post. ;(
I understand where you're coming from. But please also understand that:
1. it is highly unlikely community-made projects like private servers, mods, etc. just shut down by themselves.
2. If they don't shut down themselves, they are being shut down by someone else.
3. no government or other institution would shut down a community project just because. They do it because somebody requested it.
4. who else would request it besides the affected company (Blizzard in this case)
this reasoning plus the history we all know makes it a pretty safe bet that Blizzard is involved at some point, although there's a chance people are wrong.
In my case, I'm hardly ever bashing. I usually just point out they have the right to do what they do but I'm not happy with it. Like this:
Yes, legally those companies are entitled to protect their IP. But our legal systems do not recognize that most of the value is and was created by the community. The value of BW was to a large part created by an army of volunteers working countless hours on custom maps and other assets.
There is just no reason why the community should surrender all this work to a company that did nothing but provide the initial source and then suck every dollar possible out of the market.
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3. no government or other institution would shut down a community project just because. They do it because somebody requested it.
Wrong. Governments tend to follow the law, there doesnt have to be a particular party in question advocating that they act on the law, they just have to be aware that the law applies in this case.
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On October 26 2017 04:10 imp42 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 03:28 L_Master wrote:On October 25 2017 23:57 Lorch wrote:
Well fuck you blizzard. Private servers have kept the game alive for years upon years when Blizzard abandoned BW.
First they push fish out of business and now this. I guess iccup is next. BWs future is entirely up to blizzard now, let's hope that they don't fuck it up. Why do people just read the title, only the title, and then post. ;( I understand where you're coming from. But please also understand that: 1. it is highly unlikely community-made projects like private servers, mods, etc. just shut down by themselves. 2. If they don't shut down themselves, they are being shut down by someone else. 3. no government or other institution would shut down a community project just because. They do it because somebody requested it. 4. who else would request it besides the affected company (Blizzard in this case) this reasoning plus the history we all know makes it a pretty safe bet that Blizzard is involved at some point, although there's a chance people are wrong. In my case, I'm hardly ever bashing. I usually just point out they have the right to do what they do but I'm not happy with it. Like this: Yes, legally those companies are entitled to protect their IP. But our legal systems do not recognize that most of the value is and was created by the community. The value of BW was to a large part created by an army of volunteers working countless hours on custom maps and other assets. There is just no reason why the community should surrender all this work to a company that did nothing but provide the initial source and then suck every dollar possible out of the market.
Also I'd like to add, that while SC:R has worked very well for me, I would definitely be interested in openBW and I fully support your efforts.
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On October 26 2017 04:12 Dazed. wrote:
3. no government or other institution would shut down a community project just because. They do it because somebody requested it.
Wrong. Governments tend to follow the law, there doesnt have to be a particular party in question advocating that they act on the law, they just have to be aware that the law applies in this case.
I would say that the chances are the Blizzard probably complained about brain, but I don't think it was some big secret in Korea either, so maybe the government was already aware. The Korean government probably has at least a small team charged with investigating and research these types of private servers. It makes no sense to pass a law if you have no way of enforcing it.
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United States8017 Posts
On October 26 2017 04:10 imp42 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 03:28 L_Master wrote:On October 25 2017 23:57 Lorch wrote:
Well fuck you blizzard. Private servers have kept the game alive for years upon years when Blizzard abandoned BW.
First they push fish out of business and now this. I guess iccup is next. BWs future is entirely up to blizzard now, let's hope that they don't fuck it up. Why do people just read the title, only the title, and then post. ;( I understand where you're coming from. But please also understand that: 1. it is highly unlikely community-made projects like private servers, mods, etc. just shut down by themselves. 2. If they don't shut down themselves, they are being shut down by someone else. 3. no government or other institution would shut down a community project just because. They do it because somebody requested it. 4. who else would request it besides the affected company (Blizzard in this case) this reasoning plus the history we all know makes it a pretty safe bet that Blizzard is involved at some point, although there's a chance people are wrong. In my case, I'm hardly ever bashing. I usually just point out they have the right to do what they do but I'm not happy with it. Like this: Yes, legally those companies are entitled to protect their IP. But our legal systems do not recognize that most of the value is and was created by the community. The value of BW was to a large part created by an army of volunteers working countless hours on custom maps and other assets. There is just no reason why the community should surrender all this work to a company that did nothing but provide the initial source and then suck every dollar possible out of the market.
See, if everyone made posts like yours things would be great. We'd have solid discussion. You lay out a nice line of logic that takes into account things discussed in the thread. Personally, it's #3 that's I'd be the most skeptical of. A government wouldn't shut down a project "just because", I agree there; but if it's illegal to run such a private server in Korea then a government can, and frequently will, shut down things that are illegal. Moreover, if illegal, it's possible that other people outside of Blizzard would consider reporting the server.
In all honestly though, my posts were primarily directed at the people offering nothing to the discussion throwing out some pointless rage or just ridiculous unsupported comments ("Brain has no use"). Those kind of comments arguably just make things harder to follow in addition to adding zero value.
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Here's the original post made on the Brain Server web site. It says that the server is shutting down due to internal circumstances. It does not mention Blizzard. It is very short.
We can speculate but so far we have virtually no confirmed information.
Also:
1) The Korean articles regarding government action against private servers mention Overwatch, Lineage, and League of Legends. Only one of those is a Blizzard product. If BW gets burned it is just small fry that got caught in the crossfire and not the primary target.
2) The Korean government action has been in the works and publicly announced a long time ago. It's not new. Even the linked article in this thread is from August 2016. The proposed changes have been on government web sites for a while.
3) Prosecutors love getting convictions, especially easy convictions. Convictions = promotions.
EDIT: New changes to the law became effective 2017.6.21. It's been a couple months.
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On October 26 2017 04:51 lemmata wrote:Here's the original post made on the Brain Server web site. It says that the server is shutting down due to internal circumstances. It does not mention Blizzard. It is very short. We can speculate but so far we have virtually no confirmed information. Also: 1) The Korean articles regarding government action against private servers mention Overwatch, Lineage, and League of Legends. Only one of those is a Blizzard product. If BW gets burned it is just small fry that got caught in the crossfire and not the primary target. 2) The Korean government action has been in the works and publicly announced a long time ago. It's not new. Even the linked article in this thread is from August 2016. The proposed changes have been on government web sites for a while. 3) Prosecutors love getting convictions, especially easy convictions. Convictions = promotions. EDIT: New changes to the law became effective 2017.6.21. It's been a couple months.
EDIT: nvm.
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On October 26 2017 04:51 lemmata wrote:Here's the original post made on the Brain Server web site. It says that the server is shutting down due to internal circumstances. It does not mention Blizzard. It is very short. We can speculate but so far we have virtually no confirmed information. Also: 1) The Korean articles regarding government action against private servers mention Overwatch, Lineage, and League of Legends. Only one of those is a Blizzard product. If BW gets burned it is just small fry that got caught in the crossfire and not the primary target. 2) The Korean government action has been in the works and publicly announced a long time ago. It's not new. Even the linked article in this thread is from August 2016. The proposed changes have been on government web sites for a while. 3) Prosecutors love getting convictions, especially easy convictions. Convictions = promotions. EDIT: New changes to the law became effective 2017.6.21. It's been a couple months.
Finally a proper, insightful post with legitimate information.
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On October 26 2017 05:31 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Finally a proper, insightful post with legitimate information.
dismissing all other posting as improper etc..
(while your own post contains nothing else)
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On October 26 2017 05:49 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 05:31 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Finally a proper, insightful post with legitimate information. dismissing all other posting as improper etc.. (while your own post contains nothing else)
I think you completely missed what the point of his post was -_-
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On October 26 2017 06:02 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 05:49 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On October 26 2017 05:31 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Finally a proper, insightful post with legitimate information. dismissing all other posting as improper etc.. (while your own post contains nothing else) I think you completely missed what the point of his post was -_-
maybe -_- its how it feels when i read it
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Hordes of oldtimers who refuse to go to HD for one silly reason after another was detrimental to this game before and it it now, it's time to move on. remastered isn't actually that bad, believe it or not and you can still play lan on it if you insist that the lag is too unbearable (which it hasnt been for me for ~1500 games)
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broken chat and ladder can't count games properly, i'll play again when it works
also to me efficient and fast interfaces are always and have always been important. Even when they work lol
dysfunctional&slow interfaces is what's detrimental to this game
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On October 26 2017 10:00 paxconsciente wrote:
Hordes of oldtimers who refuse to go to HD for one silly reason after another was detrimental to this game before and it it now, it's time to move on. remastered isn't actually that bad, believe it or not and you can still play lan on it if you insist that the lag is too unbearable (which it hasnt been for me for ~1500 games)
Hordes of newcomers who refuse to understand why people don't want to go to HD and the newcomers' ignorance of those reasons was detrimental to this game before and it it now, it's time to part ways. 1.16.1 with add-ons and private servers was actually that much better, believe it or not you didn't have to worry about playing lan on it and have access to loads of other features that Blizzard hasn't implemented or hasn't even promised to implement and it wasn't unbearable for tens of thousands of people (which it hasn't been for ~10 years)
You see how your post sounds reversed? Try harder next time to make a legitimate point instead of saying "Naw, all of y'all who have been playing this game for a decade and change don't know what you want or what is good for the game."
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i said do not take it to heart yet because i have not contacted the root admin for proof yet..! T_T
admins have all disappeared... i am waiting. i have them on kakaotalk.
read my post please....;;;;; not the title only;;;;;;
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On October 24 2017 22:09 Endymion wrote:
wonderful news... "dude don't worry about 1.16.1, blizzard will just leave the servers alone!!!" iccup is next
oh no what are teh 16 guys playing iccup doing then ????
the servers are still all illegal pirate server so blizzard has the right to do whatever they like to do.
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sure, if it's legal, there can't be anything wrong about it in the slightest!
not blaming anybody atm., not even blizzard, but that reasoning is extremely stupid.
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I'm not just going to believe that this has to do anything with government. It was all right to have unlimited amounts of private servers long decade until Remastered came out. Blizz just got their hands into this game, just like how they shut down so many private vanilla WoW servers.
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Thing is, remastered has matchmaking... that was the dealbreaker for me. Fuck how you used to have to find games.
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On October 26 2017 19:17 outscar wrote:
I'm not just going to believe that this has to do anything with government. It was all right to have unlimited amounts of private servers long decade until Remastered came out. Blizz just got their hands into this game, just like how they shut down so many private vanilla WoW servers.
"so many"
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On October 26 2017 19:17 outscar wrote:
I'm not just going to believe that this has to do anything with government. It was all right to have unlimited amounts of private servers long decade until Remastered came out. Blizz just got their hands into this game, just like how they shut down so many private vanilla WoW servers.
You can choose not to believe it all you want, but the government strengthened legislation against private server in June of this year. These laws were specifically targeted at curbing private servers and illegal distribution of bigger games such as League of Legends and Overwatch, so Brood War might have just been an unfortunate casualty.
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On October 26 2017 17:36 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 22:09 Endymion wrote:
wonderful news... "dude don't worry about 1.16.1, blizzard will just leave the servers alone!!!" iccup is next oh no what are teh 16 guys playing iccup doing then ???? the servers are still all illegal pirate server so blizzard has the right to do whatever they like to do.
Oh, you mean the nearly 6000 players who have played 59243 games just this season?
You have a permanently negative attitude about ICCup and the foreign pre-RM scene and you always find a way to shit on them without adding any mitigating substance to your post. Why shit on what others have done and are doing, for free, for the foreign community? Fuck yourself.
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