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jncraton
United States8 Posts
I've updated an old project of mine to work with SC:Remastered as I try to get back into Brood War. It's called BWMetaAI. It's basically an AI that tries to follow a human metagame instead of silly 12 zealot all-ins nearly every game. The project is available here: https://github.com/jncraton/BWMetaAI I've been using it to help me get back into playing, and I thought that it might be useful to others as well. ![[image loading]](https://github.com/jncraton/BWMetaAI/raw/master/docs/zeal_goon_tank.png) | ||
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Cheesefome
314 Posts
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
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owned4ursake
Australia59 Posts
It's definitely a vast improvement over the default AI. Very good for beginners like me  | ||
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Immaterial
Canada510 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On September 26 2017 12:44 Golgotha wrote: damn. impressive. it will be fun for offline practice and just warming up. by the way, will you update it so that the AI doesn't do stupid things like storming a single zergling? There are plenty of bots that try to be as good as possible, but this isn't one of them. Go to http://www.sscaitournament.com/ to find bots that are harder to get running, but once they are, they will stomp you. One thing that would be a huge improvement over the standard AI is if it actually gave up before being eliminated. I hate that so much. | ||
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Littles
United States3 Posts
I replace the patch_rq.mpq with the new BW Meta AI. But the problem is that the Blizzard App (that name *shudder*) keeps forcing me to update the game before playing. I've tried to manually launch the game form the folder, but it just redirects me to the app. Because it cannot launch the game unless it is updated, I am unable to try out the meta AI. (I disabled autopatch and it only displays an Update button instead of Play on the launcher) | ||
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Velitation
Canada224 Posts
Other than that, try seeing if temporarily going offline (turn off wifi and/or unplugging ethernet) and launching does anything different. I'll try it out for myself in a bit. EDIT: I was able to get it to work offline, but the App will attempt to patch the mpq file if you go back online and quit the game. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On September 26 2017 12:48 neptunusfisk wrote: There are plenty of bots that try to be as good as possible, but this isn't one of them. Go to http://www.sscaitournament.com/ to find bots that are harder to get running, but once they are, they will stomp you. One thing that would be a huge improvement over the standard AI is if it actually gave up before being eliminated. I hate that so much. how come it's hard to get running? Also, do these more advanced AI follow standard build orders? that would be so cool. | ||
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Littles
United States3 Posts
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jncraton
United States8 Posts
I replace the patch_rq.mpq with the new BW Meta AI. But the problem is that the Blizzard App (that name *shudder*) keeps forcing me to update the game before playing. I've tried to manually launch the game form the folder, but it just redirects me to the app. For me, it works to open the Blizzard app, run any updates, and once the play button appears I replace the patch MPQ and then hit play. | ||
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jncraton
United States8 Posts
how come it's hard to get running? BWAPI is more difficult to get set up because it requires running multiple instances of StarCraft. It takes control of the game engine in the same way that human would, so you actually have to join a multiplayer game against one of the AIs running on another machine/VM or use some hack that allows multiple instances to run simultaneously on the same machine. | ||
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XCraftin4K
19 Posts
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jncraton
United States8 Posts
On September 28 2017 07:06 XCraftin4K wrote: This is interesting. I'll give it a try. Sounds great! Let me know how it goes or if you have any problems getting it set up. | ||
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xdq28635
11 Posts
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Littles
United States3 Posts
On September 26 2017 21:56 jncraton wrote: For me, it works to open the Blizzard app, run any updates, and once the play button appears I replace the patch MPQ and then hit play. Clever! Worked for me as well. Thanks! | ||
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Polyknikes
6 Posts
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Yadnak
9 Posts
Thank you. | ||
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Broodwar4lyf
304 Posts
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Keyboard Warrior
United States1178 Posts
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PobTheCad
Australia893 Posts
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MrMischelito
347 Posts
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MrMischelito
347 Posts
On September 26 2017 12:48 neptunusfisk wrote: ... One thing that would be a huge improvement over the standard AI is if it actually gave up before being eliminated. I hate that so much. Just leave the when you think you've won and don't want to play it out to the end. | ||
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Deimos
Mexico134 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10682 Posts
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Smorrie
Netherlands2923 Posts
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jncraton
United States8 Posts
Approx MMR of the bot? No idea, but it isn't very good. Definitely much worse than a very rusty human player. It should be more than a challenge for truly new players, though. Awesome, this is great for beginners or even people just trying to get back into the swing of things after a long time, thanks for this! Always love seeing BW AI projects, the BW AI Tournament's are cool too. Thanks! Could you also include a version that focuses on macro/standard play? no all in builds like 5 pool from the AI. this is to generally create longer games with multiple expos I included cheesy builds to give players a reason to scout early. I expect things like 12 Nexus and 14 CC to be completely viable against this AI most of the time, but I wanted to encourage players to get in the habit of checking what their opponent is doing instead of just choosing a plan before the game and sticking with it no matter what. With that said, it wouldn't be too difficult to create a separate release that does not include cheesy builds. I may do that if I have a chance. If you're fairly tech savvy, you can follow the instructions here to build the mod from source: https://github.com/jncraton/BWMetaAI/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md I've tried to make it very trivial to adjust, add, or remove builds. To remove cheesy ones, simply delete them from the builds folder (e.g. https://github.com/jncraton/BWMetaAI/tree/master/src/zerg/builds) and rebuild the project. maybe a possibility to choose what Build? This is definitely possible, but it has to happen outside of the game unless I want to build a much more complicated mod. If you're able to build the project from source, you can easily delete all of the builds except the one you are interested in playing against and then rebuild the project. I used to do this regularly to practice against particular build orders. | ||
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hyfrehyfre
Bolivia92 Posts
Love this, i played a few games won them all, this meaning the AI is right now between (Easy & Normal) as i am D+ C- TOPS, really cool thing thanks. Any posibility you could in a near future give us scaleable dificulty? or some way to create a customized patch_rt file with scait bwapi etc? | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
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jncraton
United States8 Posts
On October 17 2017 23:35 hyfrehyfre wrote: Really great stuff man !!! Love this, i played a few games won them all, this meaning the AI is right now between (Easy & Normal) as i am D+ C- TOPS, really cool thing thanks. Any posibility you could in a near future give us scaleable dificulty? or some way to create a customized patch_rt file with scait bwapi etc? Thanks! What are you looking in terms of scalable difficulty and/or customization? I usually just play vs 2 or 3 of these to make things more challenging. | ||
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yubo56
689 Posts
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On October 04 2017 11:31 Smorrie wrote: Holy shit... after 15+ years we finally get access to Blackman's progamer AI! Wasn't the urban legend that Blackman programmed a Boxer AI on his toaster in order to beat Boxer? | ||
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Eleria
1 Post
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hyfrehyfre
Bolivia92 Posts
On October 20 2017 07:51 jncraton wrote: Thanks! What are you looking in terms of scalable difficulty and/or customization? I usually just play vs 2 or 3 of these to make things more challenging. for once and this might be crazy to ask... is there any way to modify the .mpq file as you just di to load SSCAIT scripts? they come with a .dll and the script itself, i am sure you have seen them, it would be awesome if you could create for us a small app that can help us load this into game also. | ||
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ShinzoNagama
4 Posts
On November 05 2017 12:49 hyfrehyfre wrote: for once and this might be crazy to ask... is there any way to modify the .mpq file as you just di to load SSCAIT scripts? they come with a .dll and the script itself, i am sure you have seen them, it would be awesome if you could create for us a small app that can help us load this into game also. SSCAIT scripts require BWAPI which won't currently work on 1.20 AFAIK. That's because they're not written in the game's native AI script language, and instead made from ground up. | ||
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A.Alm
Sweden530 Posts
On October 02 2017 18:52 Broodwar4lyf wrote: this is really what the community needs right now. bwapi thing needs years before it can be something of use, its just too damn hard to figure out for new players and nobody's bothering to make ease of use accessible with all the programers in that community https://sscaitournament.com/index.php?action=tutorial Here you go. Nothing's stopping you anymore. | ||
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Bajadulce
United States322 Posts
All of us sure had a blast writing those silly little scripts! Good times! | ||
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ShinzoNagama
4 Posts
On November 10 2017 14:20 Bajadulce wrote: Nice! All of us sure had a blast writing those silly little scripts! Good times!Too bad you never had fun leaving any proper documentation behind :^) | ||
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Scuzzzzy
3 Posts
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killanator
United States549 Posts
Unfortunate that blizzard app repatches it every time you play, meaning you must replace the patch every time, but I still enjoy some variability in my games against the AI (the only games I win since I suck) I think some of the timings could be made to be tighter, I will see how my experience goes with my other builds. In my game, a PvT, the AI went with 2 rax pressure to start, which granted did catch me offguard and killed probably ~5 of my probes. I was worried about his followup since my economy was so damaged, however, when I got 2 goons over, he had just gotten an expansion that only had 1 scv. I attacked it and nothing came to defend it, and when I got into his base he still hadn't finished his factory. Took him quite a while to get up to his factory, instead of expanded first? Either way, it was pretty easy to win with just goons despite using my first two. I see how he was transitioning into mid game play, and understand that you made it to do an opening and then transition into a different "mode" for midgame play, but it could have transitioned better. Even so, I might next time just not attack it and let it build away and see how it handles midgame, and hopefully get some good practice that way of midgame PvT | ||
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jncraton
United States8 Posts
https://github.com/jncraton/BWMetaAI/releases You can quickly and easily play 1v1 against this without the need to do any complex patching. Just load up a UMS game on these maps and you should be all set. I'm very inexperienced with both UMS and EUD triggers, so let me know if this doesn't work for you. On December 07 2017 11:13 killanator wrote: Took him quite a while to get up to his factory, instead of expanded first? Either way, it was pretty easy to win with just goons despite using my first two. I see how he was transitioning into mid game play, and understand that you made it to do an opening and then transition into a different "mode" for midgame play, but it could have transitioned better. That's very helpful feedback. Thanks! It is hard to get all of the transitions to work properly. It sounds like the AI went BBS, which is pretty all-in, so I'm not surprised that it wasn't much of a challenge after the initial attack. It should have had several marines back home, though. I'll look into this. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
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nepeta
1872 Posts
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xdq28635
11 Posts
The EUD maps is still works on patch 1.23. All you need is just put EUD maps into any maps' folder and run the game. Adjust game setting on ' use map setting ' then you will enjoy it. I leave this message because I want make it simpler for some new comers. At least I get lost in the first place. | ||
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earob84
Germany175 Posts
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