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jncraton
Profile Joined May 2011
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-28 14:52:13
September 26 2017 00:01 GMT
#1
Hi all.

I've updated an old project of mine to work with SC:Remastered as I try to get back into Brood War. It's called BWMetaAI. It's basically an AI that tries to follow a human metagame instead of silly 12 zealot all-ins nearly every game.

The project is available here:

https://github.com/jncraton/BWMetaAI

I've been using it to help me get back into playing, and I thought that it might be useful to others as well.

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Cheesefome
Profile Joined May 2016
320 Posts
September 26 2017 01:08 GMT
#2
Nice, i'll have to give it a try :D
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
September 26 2017 01:08 GMT
#3
This might be very helpful. I played bw years ago. And now due to an injury I have to relearn all my games using the mouse with my left hand.
owned4ursake
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia59 Posts
September 26 2017 02:15 GMT
#4
Just played a few games vs your AI.
It's definitely a vast improvement over the default AI.
Very good for beginners like me
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
September 26 2017 03:15 GMT
#5
This is awesome thank you! I'll give it a try tonight for sure. I'm learning to play BW properly and have been playing quite a bit against the AI for the sake of perfecting my execution of build orders but it kinda sucks just leaving the game after 5-10 minutes because the CPU is such shit that it would be a waste of time otherwise haha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
September 26 2017 03:44 GMT
#6
damn. impressive. it will be fun for offline practice and just warming up. by the way, will you update it so that the AI doesn't do stupid things like storming a single zergling?
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-26 04:03:34
September 26 2017 03:48 GMT
#7
On September 26 2017 12:44 Golgotha wrote:
damn. impressive. it will be fun for offline practice and just warming up. by the way, will you update it so that the AI doesn't do stupid things like storming a single zergling?


There are plenty of bots that try to be as good as possible, but this isn't one of them. Go to http://www.sscaitournament.com/ to find bots that are harder to get running, but once they are, they will stomp you.

One thing that would be a huge improvement over the standard AI is if it actually gave up before being eliminated. I hate that so much.
maru G5L pls
Littles
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
United States3 Posts
September 26 2017 05:45 GMT
#8
I am curious on how to run the AI.

I replace the patch_rq.mpq with the new BW Meta AI. But the problem is that the Blizzard App (that name *shudder*) keeps forcing me to update the game before playing. I've tried to manually launch the game form the folder, but it just redirects me to the app.

Because it cannot launch the game unless it is updated, I am unable to try out the meta AI.
(I disabled autopatch and it only displays an Update button instead of Play on the launcher)
Velitation
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-26 07:07:13
September 26 2017 06:56 GMT
#9
I think you just have to let the game update to latest patch first, then you can try replacing the patch_rq.mpq after that point.
Other than that, try seeing if temporarily going offline (turn off wifi and/or unplugging ethernet) and launching does anything different. I'll try it out for myself in a bit.

EDIT: I was able to get it to work offline, but the App will attempt to patch the mpq file if you go back online and quit the game.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
September 26 2017 07:11 GMT
#10
On September 26 2017 12:48 neptunusfisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2017 12:44 Golgotha wrote:
damn. impressive. it will be fun for offline practice and just warming up. by the way, will you update it so that the AI doesn't do stupid things like storming a single zergling?


There are plenty of bots that try to be as good as possible, but this isn't one of them. Go to http://www.sscaitournament.com/ to find bots that are harder to get running, but once they are, they will stomp you.

One thing that would be a huge improvement over the standard AI is if it actually gave up before being eliminated. I hate that so much.


how come it's hard to get running? Also, do these more advanced AI follow standard build orders? that would be so cool.
Littles
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
United States3 Posts
September 26 2017 12:48 GMT
#11
Oh, thank you, thank you. I was under the impression that SCR requires me to always be online.
jncraton
Profile Joined May 2011
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-26 14:04:18
September 26 2017 12:56 GMT
#12
I replace the patch_rq.mpq with the new BW Meta AI. But the problem is that the Blizzard App (that name *shudder*) keeps forcing me to update the game before playing. I've tried to manually launch the game form the folder, but it just redirects me to the app.


For me, it works to open the Blizzard app, run any updates, and once the play button appears I replace the patch MPQ and then hit play.
jncraton
Profile Joined May 2011
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-26 15:11:29
September 26 2017 14:11 GMT
#13
how come it's hard to get running?


BWAPI is more difficult to get set up because it requires running multiple instances of StarCraft. It takes control of the game engine in the same way that human would, so you actually have to join a multiplayer game against one of the AIs running on another machine/VM or use some hack that allows multiple instances to run simultaneously on the same machine.
XCraftin4K
Profile Joined September 2017
19 Posts
September 27 2017 22:06 GMT
#14
This is interesting. I'll give it a try.
jncraton
Profile Joined May 2011
United States8 Posts
September 29 2017 14:17 GMT
#15
On September 28 2017 07:06 XCraftin4K wrote:
This is interesting. I'll give it a try.


Sounds great! Let me know how it goes or if you have any problems getting it set up.
xdq28635
Profile Joined June 2013
11 Posts
September 29 2017 16:30 GMT
#16
TY so much i m about to try it out
Littles
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
United States3 Posts
September 30 2017 07:57 GMT
#17
On September 26 2017 21:56 jncraton wrote:
Show nested quote +
I replace the patch_rq.mpq with the new BW Meta AI. But the problem is that the Blizzard App (that name *shudder*) keeps forcing me to update the game before playing. I've tried to manually launch the game form the folder, but it just redirects me to the app.


For me, it works to open the Blizzard app, run any updates, and once the play button appears I replace the patch MPQ and then hit play.


Clever! Worked for me as well. Thanks!
Polyknikes
Profile Joined October 2017
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-01 05:27:22
October 01 2017 05:26 GMT
#18
funny, this AI plays better than many humans. could you also include a version that focuses on macro/standard play? no all in builds like 5 pool from the AI. this is to generally create longer games with multiple expos
Yadnak
Profile Joined October 2017
9 Posts
October 02 2017 08:37 GMT
#19
This is just what I needed.

Thank you.
Broodwar4lyf
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
304 Posts
October 02 2017 09:52 GMT
#20
this is really what the community needs right now. bwapi thing needs years before it can be something of use, its just too damn hard to figure out for new players and nobody's bothering to make ease of use accessible with all the programers in that community
https://cinesnipe.com
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