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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8505 Posts
March 04 2018 06:00 GMT
#1781
New sparkle looks better but protoss still gets the extra minerals if they want to. Not sure what to think about that. They should make that whole thing zerg only.

On March 04 2018 14:55 Terrorbladder wrote:
Transistor 1.0 is also out, but there's only one change (reduced mineral from 749 to 499 in all mineral patches of the main base and natural). According to the author this is to reduce the number of marines that Terran could have late game against Zerg because Zerg can't handle it (lol)


lol
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
March 04 2018 06:13 GMT
#1782
I like the newest Sparkle. I think it gave Zerg another buff with the 3 mineral patches at the Zerg only gas. Zerg needs the hatchery already anyways. But Terran and Protoss have to sack 400 minerals to mine it.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8505 Posts
March 04 2018 06:53 GMT
#1783
On March 04 2018 15:13 Alpha-NP- wrote:
I like the newest Sparkle. I think it gave Zerg another buff with the 3 mineral patches at the Zerg only gas. Zerg needs the hatchery already anyways. But Terran and Protoss have to sack 400 minerals to mine it.


They could also start to long-distance mine it when they start to over-saturate their bases.
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
March 04 2018 07:23 GMT
#1784
As somebody who's not played on a map with a neutral lair before, what does this offer zerg? I assume that you put drones on it to mine/gas, but it doesn't give you larva/tech unlocks. So it's an extra 3 patches + gas for zerg without needing to make a hatchery to help them survive early game enough to get air units/nydus up?
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 07:27:20
March 04 2018 07:26 GMT
#1785
On March 04 2018 16:23 Wonk wrote:
As somebody who's not played on a map with a neutral lair before, what does this offer zerg? I assume that you put drones on it to mine/gas, but it doesn't give you larva/tech unlocks. So it's an extra 3 patches + gas for zerg without needing to make a hatchery to help them survive early game enough to get air units/nydus up?


The Lair is there to make creep, it doesn't do anything else for Z. Zerg can build like normal while P or T can't build on creep.
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Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
March 04 2018 07:43 GMT
#1786
On March 04 2018 16:26 Ethelis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 16:23 Wonk wrote:
As somebody who's not played on a map with a neutral lair before, what does this offer zerg? I assume that you put drones on it to mine/gas, but it doesn't give you larva/tech unlocks. So it's an extra 3 patches + gas for zerg without needing to make a hatchery to help them survive early game enough to get air units/nydus up?


The Lair is there to make creep, it doesn't do anything else for Z. Zerg can build like normal while P or T can't build on creep.


Is that it all it gives? I thought it would do something more advantageous in the early game, going from what i've seen of the ZvPs and ZvTs I've watched on sparkle.
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
March 04 2018 08:30 GMT
#1787
On March 04 2018 16:43 Wonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 16:26 Ethelis wrote:
On March 04 2018 16:23 Wonk wrote:
As somebody who's not played on a map with a neutral lair before, what does this offer zerg? I assume that you put drones on it to mine/gas, but it doesn't give you larva/tech unlocks. So it's an extra 3 patches + gas for zerg without needing to make a hatchery to help them survive early game enough to get air units/nydus up?


The Lair is there to make creep, it doesn't do anything else for Z. Zerg can build like normal while P or T can't build on creep.


Is that it all it gives? I thought it would do something more advantageous in the early game, going from what i've seen of the ZvPs and ZvTs I've watched on sparkle.

Well, Zerg can now expand to the corner bases without drop again which seems to be problematic in the mid game vs mass sair.

They completely removed the middle base, too. So no more double gas as third for P.
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Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 09:07:10
March 04 2018 09:06 GMT
#1788
On March 04 2018 17:30 Cryoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 16:43 Wonk wrote:
On March 04 2018 16:26 Ethelis wrote:
On March 04 2018 16:23 Wonk wrote:
As somebody who's not played on a map with a neutral lair before, what does this offer zerg? I assume that you put drones on it to mine/gas, but it doesn't give you larva/tech unlocks. So it's an extra 3 patches + gas for zerg without needing to make a hatchery to help them survive early game enough to get air units/nydus up?


The Lair is there to make creep, it doesn't do anything else for Z. Zerg can build like normal while P or T can't build on creep.


Is that it all it gives? I thought it would do something more advantageous in the early game, going from what i've seen of the ZvPs and ZvTs I've watched on sparkle.

Well, Zerg can now expand to the corner bases without drop again which seems to be problematic in the mid game vs mass sair.

They completely removed the middle base, too. So no more double gas as third for P.


Ah yes, I see now. Giving zerg an easier time taking one of the other mains instead of forcing them towards the middle is a nice improvement.
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
March 04 2018 09:22 GMT
#1789
On March 04 2018 15:13 Alpha-NP- wrote:
I like the newest Sparkle. I think it gave Zerg another buff with the 3 mineral patches at the Zerg only gas. Zerg needs the hatchery already anyways. But Terran and Protoss have to sack 400 minerals to mine it.

But on some positions you cannot build a Hatch in a location that allows for both efficient mineral and gas mining, as the Khaydarin Geyser can only be mined from the side…
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
March 04 2018 10:15 GMT
#1790
On March 04 2018 18:22 Freakling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 15:13 Alpha-NP- wrote:
I like the newest Sparkle. I think it gave Zerg another buff with the 3 mineral patches at the Zerg only gas. Zerg needs the hatchery already anyways. But Terran and Protoss have to sack 400 minerals to mine it.

But on some positions you cannot build a Hatch in a location that allows for both efficient mineral and gas mining, as the Khaydarin Geyser can only be mined from the side…


It's better than nothing, it's going to be hard to efficiently mine from a 3 patch base anyway. These are more a little bonus than anything else.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
March 04 2018 10:43 GMT
#1791
can someone pls direct link me to the latest versions of sparkle and transistor? thx!
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K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
March 04 2018 15:13 GMT
#1792
On March 04 2018 19:43 TT1 wrote:
can someone pls direct link me to the latest versions of sparkle and transistor? thx!

https://blog.naver.com/kangkuyol/221216795454
maybe
Profile Joined January 2008
252 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 15:35:10
March 04 2018 15:32 GMT
#1793
is there a download button?
Edit. found it here https://m.blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=kangkuyol&logNo=221216795454&navType=tl
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
March 04 2018 17:48 GMT
#1794
On March 04 2018 16:23 Wonk wrote:
As somebody who's not played on a map with a neutral lair before, what does this offer zerg? I assume that you put drones on it to mine/gas, but it doesn't give you larva/tech unlocks. So it's an extra 3 patches + gas for zerg without needing to make a hatchery to help them survive early game enough to get air units/nydus up?

Zerg needs Nydus Canals in 1v1 anyways in ZvT and ZvP. So it gives Zerg a little buff on Islands. And also allows Zerg to Nydus expand.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
March 04 2018 20:27 GMT
#1795
ty <3!
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
March 14 2018 09:19 GMT
#1796
Ro16 New map is added now.

The third world.

https://blog.naver.com/kangkuyol/221228604555
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-14 09:58:05
March 14 2018 09:48 GMT
#1797
Almost looks like some one ripped off Blood and Iron.

What a fucked up map name…

No idea how you are supposed to stop a Terran timing push. Maybe by just drop harassing and expansing in the top?

Why they think it would be a good idea to add completely untested maps at short notice every time (Gold Rush turned out alright, but I really have my doubts about this one) instead of getting the most out of their open submissions; I don't get at all.

EDIT: And of course the ramps are buggy and mining looks fishy in many places…
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-14 09:54:42
March 14 2018 09:52 GMT
#1798
[image loading]


Wow. ASL really going for the odd maps this season.
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
March 14 2018 09:57 GMT
#1799
On March 14 2018 18:48 Freakling wrote:
Almost looks like some one ripped off Blood and Iron.

What a fucked up map name…

No idea how you are supposed to stop a Terran timing push. Maybe by just drop harassing and expansing in the top?

Why they think it would be a good idea to add completely untested maps at short notice every time (Gold Rush turned out alright, but I really have my doubts about this one) instead of getting the most out of their open submissions; I don't get at all.



Well, freshness of new map is also important issue, i think.

Nowadays, so many games are playing in streaming everyday.

I also agree with that it is too short to test maps, but it is not unfair.

Every player have same term of practicing new maps.
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
March 14 2018 10:06 GMT
#1800
It is not a matter of it being unfair to players because of limited testing time per se, but because with highly experimental concepts like this balance is a gamble at best and there's simply no chance to sort out the worst outliers before players have to play tournament games on them, especially given that they still haven't established any basic quality standards or debugging practices, so it is also on the players to sort out basic stuff like miner pathfinding issues.
I very much appreciate Afreeca's willingness to err on the experimental side and thus giving the game a chance to move forward in meta (and providing entertaining games, hopefully), but look at the amount of changes Sparkles has undergone since its first iteration, and you get an idea how maps like this need to be handled properly.
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