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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
September 06 2017 15:25 GMT
#681
I do hope it's a yearly thing that they pay for hosting BW Tourneys. Cause that's a big piece of pie to give away every time you hold one of these events.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Jae Zedong
Profile Joined September 2016
407 Posts
September 06 2017 15:27 GMT
#682
Anyone know what Blizzard's fees for SC2 tournaments are, and when they were put in place?
Tyrant.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-06 15:56:06
September 06 2017 15:55 GMT
#683
On September 07 2017 00:17 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2017 21:05 Letmelose wrote:
On September 06 2017 20:27 merz wrote:
On September 06 2017 20:14 Ancestral wrote:
Just move all BW tourneys to China where infringing IP is almost mandatory by law.

On September 06 2017 20:07 merz wrote:
88 000 USD for one tournament does sound quite a lot. Are you sure that is the correct fee?

I'm all for protecting intellectual property but 88k USD seems a bit over the top on a per tournament basis. If we were talking per year and you'd be able to host say an certain amount of events during that year I would say it is pretty reasonable.

The hefty sum aside, come on guys, Blizzard is a company with shareholders like every other company. Are you expecting them to allow a third party using their intellectual property to no cost at all? Calling them assholes because they are protecting their own interests isn't really fair.


Shareholders are important but at some point too many middle fingers actually reduce the ROI.

Unfortunately BW's closest competition is also made by Blizzard, but people will just move from RTS games if they're not profitable.

I want Blizzard to make money, but I want it to be because the scene as a whole grows so they get a piece of a bigger pie, rather than trying to get the biggest piece possible of a small to medium sized one.


Like I said I agree that 88k USD as in per tournament is far too greedy. I'm inclined to believe that there's more to the story than that though. What also needs to be kept in mind is that Blizzard, as far as I can tell, are requesting no provision on revenue generated through the tournament. I'm not too updated on how much ASL makes on these tournaments but it'd be an interesting thing to weigh into this as well.

Besides you'd also have to consider what damage someone like ASL could do to Blizzards trademarks if they were allowed these things without little or no involvement from Blizzard themselves.

Couple that with the fact that Blizzard allows you to host as many tournaments you like as long as the price money does not exceed 10 000 USD or 50 000 USD in total over the course of year. This while leaving all the revenue (up to 100 000 USD) to the company hosting the tournament and it's also under the condition that the tournament is free of charge to watch on i.e. Twitch.tv and on site.

I'd say that's pretty fair to the consumers, viewers and the tournament organizers.

So no I don't agree on that Blizzard is Killing E-sports or that they are assholes.

I am totally fine if you are more concerned about companies being allowed to exercise their legal right to make as much money off from their intellectual properties, or have an urgent need for people to recognize that Blizzard is not the enemy, but you have no right to tell us how to feel about what Blizzard has done in the past, or is doing currently.

No need to put words in someone else's mouth or make so many assumptions about where they're coming from. Nobody has told you how to feel. Merz just posted a personal view that included some reasonable points, such as asking how much profit the licensing fee is being deducted from.


"The hefty sum aside, come on guys, Blizzard is a company with shareholders like every other company. Are you expecting them to allow a third party using their intellectual property to no cost at all? Calling them assholes because they are protecting their own interests isn't really fair."

Blizzard is free to exercise their right to maximize their profits off their intellectual property, even if it has detrimental effects on competitive Brood War. I can also criticize their actions as someone who cares far more about the health of the Brood War scene than the financial health of Blizzard as a company. Making reasonable points, and inquiring the exact nature of Blizzard's policies is not what I had an issue with. It's the fact that he told me how to react in the face of unfortunate circumstances for the Brood War scene that got me on tilt.

Perhaps you should read some of the posts before calling me out on things.
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Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
September 06 2017 16:01 GMT
#684
On September 05 2017 23:40 onlystar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2017 23:22 BigFan wrote:
They should really have put CB in there as well. The map is well balanced and is/was being played a lot on streams. It also feels newer than FS which has been around forever and which isn't as balanced as it was once believed.
.


They Will put cb in forsure dont worry

"Which isnt as balanced as once believed"
F.s is a map that is proven to be balanced yet TLrs have tried the hardest to skew the statistics in in favour of terras in Terran in TvZ pulling stats from a poorly performing and small zerg (overall) pool on afreeca vs a top tier Terran pool dat is always steady in top 5 ranking spon matches in my opinion foreigners are in a tunnelvision they gererly maps that are overplayed are hated by that community and TVZ mech switch is to hard right so we end up by these accusations regularly biased by feelings and opinios unable to make a realistic judgement


idk where you gettig this from. Fs is good for T and P while horrible for Z. Late mech switch is easy as hell on fs. Lot of koreans talk about fs being badly balanced
Life is just life
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
September 06 2017 16:01 GMT
#685
that's just crazy that they'd charge 88k to run a sc:bw tournament..
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-06 16:06:27
September 06 2017 16:06 GMT
#686
88k? sheesh, talk about ridiculous. The scene is recovering and has been steadily gaining momentum since the Sonic days. You would think Blizzard might try and help the scene out a bit so that there is more potential earnings down the road when the scene recovers as much as it could. Would've never imagined that it would be anything that large!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 06 2017 16:07 GMT
#687
I mean i cannot read korean but is this source even legit? Like i might be naive but the su seems way too high to me to make much sense?


Here is something relevant: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/community-competition-license.html
Someone else said it might be a one time fee?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-06 16:18:39
September 06 2017 16:07 GMT
#688
Well.. let's hope they invest some of that money back into the scene..
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Jae Zedong
Profile Joined September 2016
407 Posts
September 06 2017 16:08 GMT
#689
All over the internet, every time someone criticizes a company, there will be a few smug apologists pointing out that companies exist to make a profit. "It's not a charity, guys!"

As if pointing out how capitalism works would make criticism of that company any less valid.
Tyrant.
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-06 16:37:45
September 06 2017 16:36 GMT
#690
On September 07 2017 01:08 Jae Zedong wrote:
All over the internet, every time someone criticizes a company, there will be a few smug apologists pointing out that companies exist to make a profit. "It's not a charity, guys!"

As if pointing out how capitalism works would make criticism of that company any less valid.


Yes, it's hilarious. They took an economics 101 course one time in high school and they think they understand everything.

Always the same story every time something shady happens in gaming. "Companies exist to make money" etc. But they don't remember literally the next thing that comes after it, which is "and consumers are supposed to exercise their rights to keep companies honest".

Stating that companies exist to make money is a truism more or less. Using such statements with the implication "therefore stop complaining" is fundamentally anti-consumer and betrays an ironic and fundamental lack of understanding of economics. No, consumers ARE SUPPOSED TO COMPLAIN, otherwise they will slowly get fucked. That's how the system was envisioned to begin with.

But that's the Reddit generation for you, only reading or remembering the first 5 words of anything and then getting up in arms and over it to prove how smart they are.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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tub74557
Profile Joined November 2014
China25 Posts
September 06 2017 16:58 GMT
#691
Hey guys, you can choose to play another game like League of Legends where team spot fee is $1.8M, or Dota 2 where Valve takes 75% of tournament gross revenue.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden531 Posts
September 06 2017 17:04 GMT
#692
On September 07 2017 01:58 tub74557 wrote:
Hey guys, you can choose to play another game like League of Legends where team spot fee is $1.8M, or Dota 2 where Valve takes 75% of tournament gross revenue.


And that's a good thing, or what?

Other companies do bad stuff -> every company has to do the same?

"Hey stop using child labor" -> "But x, y and z uses child labor, get over it".
tub74557
Profile Joined November 2014
China25 Posts
September 06 2017 17:10 GMT
#693
On September 07 2017 02:04 A.Alm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2017 01:58 tub74557 wrote:
Hey guys, you can choose to play another game like League of Legends where team spot fee is $1.8M, or Dota 2 where Valve takes 75% of tournament gross revenue.


And that's a good thing, or what?

Other companies do bad stuff -> every company has to do the same?

"Hey stop using child labor" -> "But x, y and z uses child labor, get over it".


That's neither a good thing or bad thing, that's just a thing, and a fact.

Market talks.
If that's your logic, I would say a $300 cellphone is a bad thing, I think it only worths $30.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden531 Posts
September 06 2017 17:23 GMT
#694
On September 07 2017 02:10 tub74557 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2017 02:04 A.Alm wrote:
On September 07 2017 01:58 tub74557 wrote:
Hey guys, you can choose to play another game like League of Legends where team spot fee is $1.8M, or Dota 2 where Valve takes 75% of tournament gross revenue.


And that's a good thing, or what?

Other companies do bad stuff -> every company has to do the same?

"Hey stop using child labor" -> "But x, y and z uses child labor, get over it".


That's neither a good thing or bad thing, that's just a thing, and a fact.

Market talks.
If that's your logic, I would say a $300 cellphone is a bad thing, I think it only worths $30.


Exactly, it's just a fact. You're just explaining capitalism, and as a customer to this game, you're on the wrong side of it. Once again, just because you have facts that imply greed, doesn't mean we shouldn't fight it.

You can chose not to buy a phone. Dedicated and planned SC tournaments (ASL, etc) can't choose not to pay the fee, or tell their employees to play another game. It's apples and oranges.

Do you compare healthcare and car insurance as-well? I bet you do.
NasKe_
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil570 Posts
September 06 2017 18:38 GMT
#695
On September 07 2017 01:58 tub74557 wrote:
Hey guys, you can choose to play another game like League of Legends where team spot fee is $1.8M, or Dota 2 where Valve takes 75% of tournament gross revenue.


Valve takes 100% of the sales, than gives 25% back as prize pool. Blizzard takes 100% and looks for other way to profit from the scene.
Pippah
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark356 Posts
September 06 2017 18:55 GMT
#696
88K is outrageous....
Rococo
Profile Joined May 2011
United States331 Posts
September 06 2017 18:56 GMT
#697
On September 07 2017 01:58 tub74557 wrote:
Hey guys, you can choose to play another game like League of Legends where team spot fee is $1.8M, or Dota 2 where Valve takes 75% of tournament gross revenue.


It's not a good comparison because those are very homegrown e-sports in which the dev has been by far the biggest player in the scene's growth and promotion. Blizzard's relationship to the Korean BW scene is nothing like that. You're also talking about tournaments with prize pools in the multiple millions.
raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
September 06 2017 19:12 GMT
#698
On September 07 2017 01:58 tub74557 wrote:
Hey guys, you can choose to play another game like League of Legends where team spot fee is $1.8M, or Dota 2 where Valve takes 75% of tournament gross revenue.

If you imply that Valve takes 75% of the compendium sales, it has nothing to do with the "fee" to organize a BW event.
Levque
Profile Joined October 2016
88 Posts
September 06 2017 19:47 GMT
#699
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SHAREHOLDERS!!!
[nkc]moon
Profile Joined September 2016
30 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-06 19:58:21
September 06 2017 19:54 GMT
#700
Jesus Christ. You guys don't know what type of fee it is and whether or not it's reoccuring or the frequency of the fee and people are crying.

Or even if it's confirmed ffs
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