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NoS-Craig
Australia3093 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
And for a moment I thought Blizzard wasn't the assholes they have always been | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
I'm all for protecting intellectual property but 88k USD seems a bit over the top on a per tournament basis. If we were talking per year and you'd be able to host say an certain amount of events during that year I would say it is pretty reasonable. The hefty sum aside, come on guys, Blizzard is a company with shareholders like every other company. Are you expecting them to allow a third party using their intellectual property to no cost at all? Calling them assholes because they are protecting their own interests isn't really fair. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On September 06 2017 20:07 merz wrote: 88 000 USD for one tournament does sound quite a lot. Are you sure that is the correct fee? I'm all for protecting intellectual property but 88k USD seems a bit over the top on a per tournament basis. If we were talking per year and you'd be able to host say an certain amount of events during that year I would say it is pretty reasonable. The hefty sum aside, come on guys, Blizzard is a company with shareholders like every other company. Are you expecting them to allow a third party using their intellectual property to no cost at all? Calling them assholes because they are protecting their own interests isn't really fair. Shareholders are important but at some point too many middle fingers actually reduce the ROI. Unfortunately BW's closest competition is also made by Blizzard, but people will just move from RTS games if they're not profitable. I want Blizzard to make money, but I want it to be because the scene as a whole grows so they get a piece of a bigger pie, rather than trying to get the biggest piece possible of a small to medium sized one. | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On September 06 2017 20:14 Ancestral wrote: Just move all BW tourneys to China where infringing IP is almost mandatory by law. Shareholders are important but at some point too many middle fingers actually reduce the ROI. Unfortunately BW's closest competition is also made by Blizzard, but people will just move from RTS games if they're not profitable. I want Blizzard to make money, but I want it to be because the scene as a whole grows so they get a piece of a bigger pie, rather than trying to get the biggest piece possible of a small to medium sized one. Like I said I agree that 88k USD as in per tournament is far too greedy. I'm inclined to believe that there's more to the story than that though. What also needs to be kept in mind is that Blizzard, as far as I can tell, are requesting no provision on revenue generated through the tournament. I'm not too updated on how much ASL makes on these tournaments but it'd be an interesting thing to weigh into this as well. Besides you'd also have to consider what damage someone like ASL could do to Blizzards trademarks if they were allowed these things without little or no involvement from Blizzard themselves. Couple that with the fact that Blizzard allows you to host as many tournaments you like as long as the price money does not exceed 10 000 USD or 50 000 USD in total over the course of year. This while leaving all the revenue (up to 100 000 USD) to the company hosting the tournament and it's also under the condition that the tournament is free of charge to watch on i.e. Twitch.tv and on site. I'd say that's pretty fair to the consumers, viewers and the tournament organizers. So no I don't agree on that Blizzard is Killing E-sports or that they are assholes. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On September 06 2017 20:27 merz wrote: Like I said I agree that 88k USD as in per tournament is far too greedy. I'm inclined to believe that there's more to the story than that though. What also needs to be kept in mind is that Blizzard, as far as I can tell, are requesting no provision on revenue generated through the tournament. I'm not too updated on how much ASL makes on these tournaments but it'd be an interesting thing to weigh into this as well. Besides you'd also have to consider what damage someone like ASL could do to Blizzards trademarks if they were allowed these things without little or no involvement from Blizzard themselves. Couple that with the fact that Blizzard allows you to host as many tournaments you like as long as the price money does not exceed 10 000 USD or 50 000 USD in total over the course of year. This while leaving all the revenue (up to 100 000 USD) to the company hosting the tournament and it's also under the condition that the tournament is free of charge to watch on i.e. Twitch.tv and on site. I'd say that's pretty fair to the consumers, viewers and the tournament organizers. So no I don't agree on that Blizzard is Killing E-sports or that they are assholes. I've heard people say the same thing no matter what Blizzard did. It strikes me as quite odd, that on a forum entirely dedicated to Brood War, that some people seem to worry more about how much money Blizzard is entitled to, especially since Blizzard have shown time and time again that they are quite capable of handling themselves legally and financially. I am totally fine if you are more concerned about companies being allowed to exercise their legal right to make as much money off from their intellectual properties, or have an urgent need for people to recognize that Blizzard is not the enemy, but you have no right to tell us how to feel about what Blizzard has done in the past, or is doing currently. If fans of Brood War feel a decision made by Blizzard is harmful to the Brood War scene, perhaps it would be better to explain why that is not the case, rather than trying to defend Blizzard's honour as if you had zero concern for what the consequences for the Brood War scene might be. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On September 06 2017 21:05 Letmelose wrote: I've heard people say the same thing no matter what Blizzard did. It strikes me as quite odd, that on a forum entirely dedicated to Brood War, that some people seem to worry more about how much money Blizzard is entitled to, especially since Blizzard have shown time and time again that they are quite capable of handling themselves legally and financially. I am totally fine if you are more concerned about companies being allowed to exercise their legal right to make as much money off from their intellectual properties, or have an urgent need for people to recognize that Blizzard is not the enemy, but you have no right to tell us how to feel about what Blizzard has done in the past, or is doing currently. If fans of Brood War feel a decision made by Blizzard is harmful to the Brood War scene, perhaps it would be better to explain why that is not the case, rather than trying to defend Blizzard's honour as if you had zero concern for what the consequences for the Brood War scene might be. I fully agree with this. The problem is that a lot of the people coming here specifically to defend Blizzard don't actually know much about BW or respect it as much as they claim to. Of course they pretend like they care in order to start arguments in this forum and make it seem like they have some kind of moral high ground against those gosh darn entitled elitists, but in reality they are ignorant and don't even care. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands4893 Posts
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XERX
85 Posts
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On September 06 2017 18:32 Letmelose wrote: I'm getting flashbacks. I need to watch Bisu playing football to not get triggered and rant about Blizzard for seven pages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCtH5HuwDi8&t=0m22s he's so shit lmao | ||
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Zealgoon
China187 Posts
On September 06 2017 22:59 XERX wrote: I have a feeling that 88K USD is to have a license to run SC:R events. Not a repeating fee. I hope you're right, otherwise I just lost what little is left of my respect for Blizzard for doing SC:R | ||
GTR
51406 Posts
not as bad as this | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
GTR lol. At least he can draw a hairdryer | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On September 06 2017 21:36 207aicila wrote: I fully agree with this. The problem is that a lot of the people coming here specifically to defend Blizzard don't actually know much about BW or respect it as much as they claim to. Of course they pretend like they care in order to start arguments in this forum and make it seem like they have some kind of moral high ground against those gosh darn entitled elitists, but in reality they are ignorant and don't even care. Oh come on you don't need to draw the validity of their enjoyment and love for the game into question just because they hold a different position than you... | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
imo the whole IP rights issue is mostly damaging to cultural diversity and development, I am against it I think at the very least there should be hard limits to how much a company can demand to be contributed to if a profiting tourney runs off using a game they made, a small percentage under 10% or 5% or smtg (what if next microsoft is asking for a percentage for using windows, and the hardware companies of the PC used.. the game was bought by people they can use it on stage or anywhere) it should not affect significantly the running of tournaments of any size it should be remembered that the fact that tournaments and activity are being run using a product they made promotes the product in the first place already proportional to the importance or size of that tournament, so they don't need it, plus again it was previously bought and they can write what they want in their EULA, it doesnt have to be enforced or regarded as legal ^^ illegal EULA^^ tldr IP rights are organized theft^^ | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On September 06 2017 21:05 Letmelose wrote: I am totally fine if you are more concerned about companies being allowed to exercise their legal right to make as much money off from their intellectual properties, or have an urgent need for people to recognize that Blizzard is not the enemy, but you have no right to tell us how to feel about what Blizzard has done in the past, or is doing currently. No need to put words in someone else's mouth or make so many assumptions about where they're coming from. Nobody has told you how to feel. Merz just posted a personal view that included some reasonable points, such as asking how much profit the licensing fee is being deducted from. | ||
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Sk0
Morocco85 Posts
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
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