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On August 01 2017 19:24 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2017 19:04 Garmer wrote:
so i didn't follow, why TLO is saying that the remastered is not good? He isn't. He enjoys it a lot. He might have said that lots of people will be disenchanted when they play it themselves because the game is hard and cheese is way harder to defend than in SC2, but that's not saying SC:R isn't good.
haha, ret was saying just the contrary yesterday about how slower paced is BW and is more forgiving than SC2 and how it feels better  I wouldn't take serious neither TLO nor that Nathanias guy. ret was good at BW, really good so he obviously understands the game far better.
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Nathanias can talk all he wants, he still sucks on this game so he better go back to his dying game.
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On August 01 2017 20:37 outscar wrote:
Nathanias can talk all he wants, he still sucks on this game so he better go back to his dying game.
Why does it always have to be like this? Why can it only be one or the other for most people?
Both games are good in their own way. I prefer BW by a lot, but I still appreciate there's a lot of people who like SC2. Both games should be able to co-exist and people shouldn't shit on the other game purely because they don't care about it/tried it and don't like it.
Maybe Nathanias just doesn't like Broodwar, that's his pejorative and unfortunately there's going to be a lot of people like him.
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i remember watching Nathanias talking lot of shit with the 1.18 PTR,about how bad this game is and blablabla.Why he even tried remastered ? to trash talk it again ? You know what really sux nathanias ? your sc2 soundpack
+ Show Spoiler +im not serious about that advisor pack,didnt even heard it,i feel amazing a community caster/player has this in sc2
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Could it be that any blizzard beta would go to the names which are here being associated specifically with SC2 if they expressed an interest?
I'd be curious if any fairly well known streamers (associated with Blizz but not with SC2) asked and got keys...
Either way it seems to me to be a free blunder by Blizzard if they don't recognise smaller foreign streamers who have been dedicated to Broodwar. For example: It bums me out that Bisudagger wouldn't get an invite. Clearly it's not a problem for him...
On August 01 2017 07:17 BisuDagger wrote:Didnt get an invite, not sweating it. It will be out soon enough and I can still play the best version right now. 
... but that doesn't mean I can't sweat it. Even if that last thought was deadly serious, even if BisuDagger would ritually sacrifice his key live on stream to a heathen god to beg a destruction on remastered I'd still think;
"Cool, Blizzard have been paying attention to a few dedicated and enthusiastic fans of one of it's older titles, that's nice"
And I'm sure this reaction would be limited to hundreds of people but it's still a virtually zero cost investment on Blizzard's part and that's why I call it a "free blunder".
As for SC2 commentators / streamers bagging on Remastered. I've been looking for clips, but haven't found any so I can't really direct these comments at anyone or any particular argument but IMO...
-That there's no physical law that stops two RTSs from the same franchise being great at once.
-From a purely game design perspective, Broodwar is, in some ways, a superior strategy game to SC2 and being unable to see or being unwilling to articulate that is a mistake.
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I was sad too that I didn't get invites to beta tests which I really wanted, but never really overthink it as some people do here. It shows that you guys care, but don't be so hostile and jealous...
It's just two weeks
EDIT: btw SC2 community had to deal with Winter for so long, now it's BW community turn
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On August 01 2017 20:56 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2017 20:37 outscar wrote:
Nathanias can talk all he wants, he still sucks on this game so he better go back to his dying game. Why does it always have to be like this? Why can it only be one or the other for most people? Both games are good in their own way. I prefer BW by a lot, but I still appreciate there's a lot of people who like SC2. Both games should be able to co-exist and people shouldn't shit on the other game purely because they don't care about it/tried it and don't like it. Maybe Nathanias just doesn't like Broodwar, that's his pejorative and unfortunately there's going to be a lot of people like him.
Nate deserves it. Before he was all crying that he wants to try out BW but can't run on newer OS, then PTR came and he started shitting. He even got beta and he continues saying crap on game. Think he got beta just for sake of saying crap about it. Even Avilo with his balance whine respects and treats this game tons better than those bunch SC2 fanboys.
On August 01 2017 21:01 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:i remember watching Nathanias talking lot of shit with the 1.18 PTR,about how bad this game is and blablabla.Why he even tried remastered ? to trash talk it again ? You know what really sux nathanias ? your sc2 soundpack + Show Spoiler +im not serious about that advisor pack,didnt even heard it,i feel amazing a community caster/player has this in sc2
No needed for spoiler. Those sound packs are for like 10EUR or smth are absolutely joke.
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On August 01 2017 21:58 outscar wrote:
Even Avilo with his balance whine respects and treats this game tons better than those bunch SC2 fanboys.
Tbh avilo is probably saying it just to hate on SC2 so I wouldn't take his word as relevant, confirmation bias...
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how can blizzard not give white-ra beta access ... whats wrong with blizzard
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Does anyone know what hotkeys to use to hide the HUD when watching replays?
Or is that only an observing feature?
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sc2 vs bw again? I think we should only listen to opinions of people who've won major titles for both games since they have mastery of both and a better overall picture. So like two people (Flash, forGG)
Flash already went back to bw, forGG will probably do the same when he's done with his military service
+ Show Spoiler +cause it's the better game
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On August 01 2017 22:13 riotjune wrote:
sc2 vs bw again? I think we should only listen to opinions of people who've won major titles for both games since they have mastery of both and a better overall picture. So like two people (Flash, forGG)
FlaSh, ForGG and Jaedong, actually
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On August 01 2017 21:04 Dapper_Cad wrote:
... but that doesn't mean I can't sweat it. Even if that last thought was deadly serious, even if BisuDagger would ritually sacrifice his key live on stream to a heathen god to beg a destruction on remastered I'd still think;
"Cool, Blizzard have been paying attention to a few dedicated and enthusiastic fans of one of it's older titles, that's nice"
And I'm sure this reaction would be limited to hundreds of people but it's still a virtually zero cost investment on Blizzard's part and that's why I call it a "free blunder".
same feeling exactly :[
I mean, it was pretty obvious that their relationship w/ the foreign BW scene was virtually nonexistent for the last 7 years, but it sucks to have it exposed again in such an obvious way. Hopefully they start investing some effort into community relations with the Western BW scene when SC:R actually gets released.
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On August 01 2017 22:13 riotjune wrote:+ Show Spoiler +cause it's the better game
Ha ha, that will teach those SC2 blokes! Good job!
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On August 01 2017 20:35 letian wrote:haha, ret was saying just the contrary yesterday about how slower paced is BW and is more forgiving than SC2 and how it feels better I wouldn't take serious neither TLO nor that Nathanias guy. ret was good at BW, really good so he obviously understands the game far better.
He's right though. SC2 has fewer actions to take, fewer branches on the decision making tree. So every mistake you make you reduce your chances of victory. It all comes down to minute timings and hard counters. So you could play the perfect game, only to lose because of a single engagement. Once you screw up you have to wait for your opponent to make a mistake in order to 'break even'.
In BW there are SO many things to do, so many things for both players to fail at, that it is much easier to recover by focusing on something different - switching from macro to micro focus for a moment etc...
The depth / Difficulty of BW makes it more forgiving, as both players are struggling equally in a near infinite decision making tree.
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On August 01 2017 22:20 Waxangel wrote:
Hopefully they start investing some effort into community relations with the Western BW scene when SC:R actually gets released.
As nice as it would be, I wouldn't hold my breath for it... it seems like this product only exists to make Korean SC fans happy again. And don't get me wrong, that's great, I'm glad we (will) have it but yeah...
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On August 01 2017 22:17 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2017 22:13 riotjune wrote:
sc2 vs bw again? I think we should only listen to opinions of people who've won major titles for both games since they have mastery of both and a better overall picture. So like two people (Flash, forGG)
FlaSh, ForGG and Jaedong, actually
I remember Jaedong being a close third but he got sc2 cannon rushed three games in a row. Didn't know about NorthCon, and he won over Scarlett, Life, and Innovation, cool.
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On August 01 2017 22:27 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2017 22:20 Waxangel wrote:
Hopefully they start investing some effort into community relations with the Western BW scene when SC:R actually gets released.
As nice as it would be, I wouldn't hold my breath for it... it seems like this product only exists to make Korean SC fans happy again. And don't get me wrong, that's great, I'm glad we (will) have it but yeah...
Is there a demand for Blizzard to show that BW is going to be their another point of focus to raise interest? Because as last decade has shown, there is not much of interest in BW outside of Korea. There is interest, but not much. Shouldn't the community grow organically, without any intervention from Blizzard? The West likes flashy games with expensive skins, funny streamers and illegal gambling (not hating on CS, the game itself).
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On August 01 2017 22:31 aQuaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2017 22:27 207aicila wrote:On August 01 2017 22:20 Waxangel wrote:
Hopefully they start investing some effort into community relations with the Western BW scene when SC:R actually gets released.
As nice as it would be, I wouldn't hold my breath for it... it seems like this product only exists to make Korean SC fans happy again. And don't get me wrong, that's great, I'm glad we (will) have it but yeah... Is there a demand for Blizzard to show that BW is going to be their another point of focus to raise interest? Because as last decade has shown, there is not much of interest in BW outside of Korea. There is interest, but not much. Shouldn't the community grow organically, without any intervention from Blizzard? The West likes flashy games with expensive skins, funny streamers and illegal gambling (not hating on CS, the game itself).
I have no idea what you're talking about dude. Or rather, I perfectly understand what you're talking about, only what you're talking is completely unrelated to what myself, Waxangel and Dapper_Cad were talking about. Which is simply Blizzard reaching out to the current, existing BW community and acknowledging its existence. No one said anything about trying to push BW as a Western eSport or whatever.
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On August 01 2017 22:36 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2017 22:31 aQuaSC wrote:On August 01 2017 22:27 207aicila wrote:On August 01 2017 22:20 Waxangel wrote:
Hopefully they start investing some effort into community relations with the Western BW scene when SC:R actually gets released.
As nice as it would be, I wouldn't hold my breath for it... it seems like this product only exists to make Korean SC fans happy again. And don't get me wrong, that's great, I'm glad we (will) have it but yeah... Is there a demand for Blizzard to show that BW is going to be their another point of focus to raise interest? Because as last decade has shown, there is not much of interest in BW outside of Korea. There is interest, but not much. Shouldn't the community grow organically, without any intervention from Blizzard? The West likes flashy games with expensive skins, funny streamers and illegal gambling (not hating on CS, the game itself). I have no idea what you're talking about dude. Or rather, I perfectly understand what you're talking about, only what you're talking is completely unrelated to what myself, Waxangel and Dapper_Cad were talking about. Which is simply Blizzard reaching out to the current, existing BW community and acknowledging its existence. No one said anything about trying to push BW as a Western eSport or whatever.
I know what you mean now that I've read it again, I apologize. I won't hold my breath for this too, but I hope the scene gets more attention
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