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On July 01 2017 18:46 onlystar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 18:34 Qikz wrote:On July 01 2017 09:49 Endymion wrote:
what we really need to talk about is if the HD version has an aspect ratio advantage over traditional graphics.. Pros have even stated it doesn't make a difference. People are seriously making a mountain out of a molehill with this. If even people like Flash are saying it looks perfectly fine, why are you making such a big deal out of everything? I've been a member of this commmunity for 8 years and the weird sense of elitism that's appeared since SC2 come out and has been getting worse since remastered was announced is ridiculous. People are acting like people are murdering their dog. Really, the footage we've seen isn't release footage even Blizzard Korea stated that. People are jumping at the chance to find problems with absolutely everything and it's insane. Just look at how stupid the victory screen threads were, people are picking holes where there's no holes to pick. The gameplay is staying exactly the same, the graphics are being updated and you don't even need to use them, where exactly is the big deal here? eh thanks for youre input but when flash was saying it looks perfectly fine.. he probably was not talking about the subject that endymion brought up aspect ratio advantage...
Except that's *exactly* what Flash was talking about. Blizzard specifically asked all of the top Broodwar pros they could get hold of if the aspect ratio should chang - they all thought it should change because it makes no difference.
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On July 01 2017 20:54 Piste wrote:
I dont see why would you say that the game was dead before 1.18, when there were significant rise on tournaments on competetive scene. iccup and battle.net is only a small portion of broodwar community. Sure after kespa was forced to switch to SC2 I thought it was a killing blow as well, but the competetive scene was reviving all the time. Most likely there would have never been remastered if the game would have been dead.
I was talking about foreign community but yeah, i guess if you wanted to play on korean servers you could always find someone.I always mostly did team games and UMS so the language barrier was always an issue.
And pretty sure AoE2 was dead when AoE2 HD came out.Maybe the success of that game made blizzard think about making the SC remastered.
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On July 01 2017 21:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
And pretty sure AoE2 was dead when AoE2 HD came out.Maybe the success of that game made blizzard think about making the SC remastered.
You know how 10 years ago BNet was basically irrelevant for BW and everyone was playing iCCup?
AoE 2 and AoM are similar, using Voobly instead. The competitive scenes of those games are still on Voobly regardless of HD's success.
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lmao the title is "let's talk about animations" but immediately the thread takes a dive into "head up one's own ass" territory. don't change TL.
in regards to the original animations vs new, the best part is that we get to choose to keep the old gfx or turn on the new. win win for both, so I don't see why they should hold back from releasing due to people being upset about a few animations.
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On July 01 2017 21:27 papapanda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 20:54 Piste wrote:On July 01 2017 09:49 Endymion wrote:
what we really need to talk about is if the HD version has an aspect ratio advantage over traditional graphics.. Does anyone know, if there is a possibility to choose original graphics on the remastered version? I would gladly use the advantage of having wider resolution combined with more clear animations and graphics (original). On July 01 2017 20:13 404AlphaSquad wrote:IT IS THE SAME ENGINE!!!!!!!! THEY DID NOT CHANGE PATHING THEY DID NOT CHANGE COLLISION DETECTION. In fact you can play scr versus scbw. SO NOTHING IS DIFFERENT!!!
I thought they re-wrote the whole engine for 1.18, which would explain the different gameplay feel compared to before. Other than skipping key clicks and difference in latency I dont know if anything has changed though. From what I've read, yes you can. I've read f5 is the key but I'm not sure about that. "The screen ratio has been maintained. Your field of view is still that of Brood War. The client supports play in 4:3 or widescreen – and switching between them on the fly – without missing a beat. This switching between 4:3 standard def or widescreen HD can happen back and forth with just the press of a button."
Nope. Yes, you can switch between standard and HD but I doubt you can play widescreen using the older gfx which is what he's asking.
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On July 01 2017 20:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +
Look, this SC:R has all kinds of problems. The most obvious one is that it will split the community. Yes, 15 dollars is almost no money. Yet there are a lot of jobless kids in our community. Apparently, they cannot afford it. I would be willing to pay 15 euro every weekend I play SC BW, if it was actually better than what we have now.
Well before they brought out 1.18 the game was dead. A few hundred idlers on iccup, bnet dead and buggy. Now you log on theres a couple dozen games on W/E/Europe at peak.You can get games. So i mean theres a few jobless people that can't afford $15.Probably far less than you think.But there is also gonna be at least 50 times the number of active players when remastered comes out so I don't see this as splitting the community but creating or recreating the community.
20k people online on Fish at the same time (literally 10% of LoTV's active population) says hi.
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Widescreen probably doesn't make much of a difference but I would like to be able to play in the classic graphics with widescreen. I think they could figure it out if they wanted to. They probably don't want to mess with the classic UI too much.
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Actually i think some of the graphics are quite distracting and might decrease readability which was actually great in broodwar. Maybe i am wrong though.
The second thing is, why dont they add widescreen for SD version as well? I know its only a slight increase of view but it still is a benefit for the guy playing with HD.
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On July 02 2017 01:03 TaShadan wrote:
Actually i think some of the graphics are quite distracting and might decrease readability which was actually great in broodwar. Maybe i am wrong though.
The second thing is, why dont they add widescreen for SD version as well? I know its only a slight increase of view but it still is a benefit for the guy playing with HD.
I imagine it's because if you try and mess with the aspect ratio of the classic view it means you've got to mess with all the UIs and if they're not changing the code up at all from the old version it's probably very hard to go and edit something like that as UI code is some of the most confusing code in my experience.
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I don't care about widescreen cause my screen is 4:3  even Flash says widescreen makes no difference (no significant advantage), Im not worried about that nice that people can play bw in higher res fullscreen on their widescreens then!
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Some explosions are a little bit off but not critical. Yes, zergs look a little plastic now. Death animation is all right, a honestly like the splashy marine more than original. There are small inconsistencies but overall it was a pleasure to watch the demo.
And I don't care if there is widescreen support.
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On July 01 2017 20:16 Kadungon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 20:13 404AlphaSquad wrote:On July 01 2017 19:35 Kadungon wrote:
But what if we don't want a re-implementation of the game engine? Being forced to relearn hotkeys, or else play at a disadvantage? You can see in the videos they made so far that dragoons can be inside their current collision boxes, and not freak out. Also, did you see any dragoons walking backwards? They changed collisions detection and pathing. Maybe not a lot. But they did. And even if it is better, I want the game to be the same. So I am sorry for the coming caps: + Show Spoiler +IT IS THE SAME ENGINE!!!!!!!! THEY DID NOT CHANGE PATHING THEY DID NOT CHANGE COLLISION DETECTION. In fact you can play scr versus scbw. SO NOTHING IS DIFFERENT!!! It really shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. You are just looking for an excuse to complain about scr. 1) Blizzard never said that 2) If they did, it means nothing. 3) If you played some SC BW the last decade and watch the SC:R movies, you can see it is different. Specifically, watch the movie with the dragoons. 4) Don't trust Blizzard. They have a track record. So I am sorry for the coming caps: + Show Spoiler +
SOMEONE SMASH YOU ACROSS THE HEAD WITH YOUR OWN STUPIDITY.
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I'm not sure if you have been following SC:R related news closely, Blizzard said on multiple occasions they DID NOT change the engine and have invited multiple pros JD Bisu Flash and TL staff to test it. All of them said it felt the same as BW.
Anyway why are you complaining lmao if you don't like it then don't buy it, simple as that. Just go play ICCUP/1.18 while we enjoy BW is glorious HD.
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Some of the death animations seems to have been toned down a bit.
I do like the tons of blood and the bigger SCV explosions that was in the original more but this is not that big a deal.
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don't like any of the changed animations. Like they might look fine but they are changed. They went on and on about keeping unit silhouettes the same (and they did a damn good job of it) but then changed the animations? How many marines just died to that lurker? Count the little splats! Except now they all blend into each other and don't have that iconic circle with the dot in the middle. "What just died" is as important for following the game as "what is still alive" and they are changing the silhouettes of the stuff that tells you that. IDGI
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On July 01 2017 22:05 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 21:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
And pretty sure AoE2 was dead when AoE2 HD came out.Maybe the success of that game made blizzard think about making the SC remastered. You know how 10 years ago BNet was basically irrelevant for BW and everyone was playing iCCup? AoE 2 and AoM are similar, using Voobly instead. The competitive scenes of those games are still on Voobly regardless of HD's success.
You are not answering anything: whether something is on the original platform or not does not say anything at all about the size of the playerbase etc.
On July 01 2017 19:06 onlystar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 19:00 neptunusfisk wrote:On July 01 2017 18:34 Qikz wrote:On July 01 2017 09:49 Endymion wrote:
what we really need to talk about is if the HD version has an aspect ratio advantage over traditional graphics.. People are seriously making a mountain out of a molehill with this. If even people like Flash are saying it looks perfectly fine, why are you making such a big deal out of everything? I've been a member of this commmunity for 8 years and the weird sense of elitism that's appeared since SC2 come out and has been getting worse since remastered was announced is ridiculous. People are acting like people are murdering their dog. Really, the footage we've seen isn't release footage even Blizzard Korea stated that. People are jumping at the chance to find problems with absolutely everything and it's insane. I think the main problem with SC2 isn't within the game itself, but rather that they modify the game to suit the balance whine, making people feel entitled to Blizzard patching away their problems instead of just focusing on improving. BW has been blessed by the sense of balance/design whine being entirely pointless because nothing is going to change anyway, but now the flood gates have been opened, and people complain about everything they don't like. i find this amusing you wish to slap bw fans with what sc2 fans created endless whining over a failed product asking for changes, now you wish to put that image upon broodwar players who wish their game stays the same yea totally the same thing buddy!
Great reading comprehension! You really answered my post. Good job! ;-)
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Amusing thread. A perfect example of cognitive dissonance at play. BW fans have been watching the traditional animations for a looong time. After that much repetition, your brain is well ossified into 'expecting' to see a certain outcome. When something different happens, it's like 'wait.. that's not right..'. Not really surprising that some people disliking new animations. Change is hard lol
Most people will just get used to them after a few months. Let's just put a pin in this thread here, and discuss once the game's been out for a few months, if the Pro's complain they are distracted or having problems with assessing what's happening during battles then yeah, change em.
For fun: How many marine's and zerlings would you estimate that you've witnessed pop so far in your life? I'm sure the the answer has a high probability of being directly proportional to your hardcore fanboy level.
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On July 02 2017 10:26 AaBbCc wrote:
Amusing thread. A perfect example of cognitive dissonance at play. BW fans have been watching the traditional animations for a looong time. After that much repetition, your brain is well ossified into 'expecting' to see a certain outcome. When something different happens, it's like 'wait.. that's not right..'. Not really surprising that some people disliking new animations. Change is hard lol
Most people will just get used to them after a few months. Let's just put a pin in this thread here, and discuss once the game's been out for a few months, if the Pro's complain they are distracted or having problems with assessing what's happening during battles then yeah, change em.
For fun: How many marine's and zerlings would you estimate that you've witnessed pop so far in your life? I'm sure the the answer has a high probability of being directly proportional to your hardcore fanboy level.
You can also find joy in the fact that you yourself have just added more amusement to this 'amusing thread.'
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Based on the current gameplay footage, there are quite a lot of animations that are disproportionately big or small, and some look like they don't blend in to the game well. I have my gripes but I do want to know if the footage is an old version used to just hastily give people something to chew on or if that's a recent build or worse, the latest.
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On July 02 2017 10:26 AaBbCc wrote:
Amusing thread. A perfect example of cognitive dissonance at play. BW fans have been watching the traditional animations for a looong time. After that much repetition, your brain is well ossified into 'expecting' to see a certain outcome. When something different happens, it's like 'wait.. that's not right..'. Not really surprising that some people disliking new animations. Change is hard lol
Most people will just get used to them after a few months. Let's just put a pin in this thread here, and discuss once the game's been out for a few months, if the Pro's complain they are distracted or having problems with assessing what's happening during battles then yeah, change em.
For fun: How many marine's and zerlings would you estimate that you've witnessed pop so far in your life? I'm sure the the answer has a high probability of being directly proportional to your hardcore fanboy level.
You need to look up what 'cognitive dissonance' means, because this is not it.
You do have a point, though. Yes, taking a game that people have been playing for almost 20 years, then changing small details so it looks the same at face-value, but somehow feels different; that is just an annoying mind fuck. Any person would experience this, and any person would hate it. Either keep it the same, of make it different enough so you don't get this trick of the mind. So either Blizzard wants to mind fuck their SC BW player base, like you propose. Or they make the game they want. It is trivial what the player base wants because the player base is already there and it is barely going to change. That's the nice and unique thing about this game. They don't need to draw in new players. People are already playing the same game. They just need to release the same game again, but with updates so it works more smoothly on modern systems, put in a matchmaking, and put in the community fixes like lan latency and cpu throttle. And then they can also reskin with HD skins. It is so obvious what they do and do not need to do. Yet you seem confused about it. Now that's cognitive dissonance. You somehow thing this game is aimed to draw in people from LoL or Hearthstone, while pising off the Koreans.
For fun: How many marine's and zerlings[sic] would you estimate that you've witnessed pop so far in your life? I'm sure the the answer has a high probability of being directly proportional to your hardcore fanboy level.
What? Is this meant to be some rhetorical ploy or some clever dis I can't tell.
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"OMG THIS IS NOT BW. OMG. OMG. BLIZZ U RUING ME GAIM."
Keep crying on forums, while I'll be getting a nice beer and potato chips and enjoy every single moment of playing the remaster.
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