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even if Blizzard makes a small profit it has zero impact on the ATVI balance sheet. zero.
because of ATVI's massive size and financial power this game has zero to do with money. .. either in terms of expenses.. or revenue.
Blizzard and ATVI are paying for the revival of old memories and greasing the skids to get players 30+ to spend even more money on their stuff as they all hit their prime earning years.
so all those millions of Brood War lovers can sit back and say .. "wow, no one honours my love of games more than Blizzard". "I think I'll buy that $60 Overwatch expansion pack after all."
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On June 30 2017 23:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
even if Blizzard makes a small profit it has zero impact on the ATVI balance sheet. zero. because of ATVI's massive size and financial power this game has zero to do with money. .. either in terms of expenses.. or revenue.
Nevertheless it would be quite interesting to have some actual guesses on the expenses from someone who apparently knows way more about that than I do, yet noone seems to be interested in sharing their wisdom  .
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the only reason i'm in this thread is to find out how much SCR cost to develop.
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On June 30 2017 23:58 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 23:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
even if Blizzard makes a small profit it has zero impact on the ATVI balance sheet. zero. because of ATVI's massive size and financial power this game has zero to do with money. .. either in terms of expenses.. or revenue. Nevertheless it would be quite interesting to have some actual guesses on the expenses from someone who apparently knows way more about that than I do, yet noone seems to be interested in sharing their wisdom .
I also don't argue with flat earthers because their assumptions are so preposterous it's like arguing with a bowl of wheat.
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On July 01 2017 00:00 ldv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 23:58 Creager wrote:On June 30 2017 23:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
even if Blizzard makes a small profit it has zero impact on the ATVI balance sheet. zero. because of ATVI's massive size and financial power this game has zero to do with money. .. either in terms of expenses.. or revenue. Nevertheless it would be quite interesting to have some actual guesses on the expenses from someone who apparently knows way more about that than I do, yet noone seems to be interested in sharing their wisdom . I also don't argue with flat earthers because their assumptions are so preposterous it's like arguing with a bowl of wheat.
If you don't have anything useful to contribute, I'd say you sit back a bit with your trolling, I've heard no estimates from you, either. And by the way, how's your German?
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to be clear, i'm pumped for this game and i can't wait to play the campaign.
SC1 won't install on my new machine and i'm too lazy to figure out how to trick it into installing correctly. It'll be nice to have an easy to install SC1.
Thanks for making this game Blizzard.... and i'm sure you'll bleed me dry of much more cash on your projects designed to make multi-billions.
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On July 01 2017 00:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
to be clear, i'm pumped for this game and i can't wait to play the campaign.
SC1 won't install on my new machine and i'm too lazy to figure out how to trick it into installing correctly. It'll be nice to have an easy to install SC1.
Thanks for making this game Blizzard.... and i'm sure you'll bleed me dry of much more cash on your projects designed to make multi-billions.
i just hope i can toggle off those ugly skins, because i think i would just rage quit if i saw one of them in a 1v1.. i would also probably drone rush a teammate in a 2:2 헌터 예쁜여자만#w if she had it because fuck playing with people that have bad taste in buildings
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On July 01 2017 00:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
to be clear, i'm pumped for this game and i can't wait to play the campaign.
SC1 won't install on my new machine and i'm too lazy to figure out how to trick it into installing correctly. It'll be nice to have an easy to install SC1.
Thanks for making this game Blizzard.... and i'm sure you'll bleed me dry of much more cash on your projects designed to make multi-billions.
I replayed the campaign when SC:BW became free but I will do it again with SC:R to see the new between mission stuff they added.
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On June 30 2017 22:39 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 22:26 Dante08 wrote:On June 30 2017 21:59 raff100 wrote:On June 30 2017 20:52 danielias wrote:
$15 and you complain? You are demanding so much...I hate such clients. If you dont like it dont play it, simple. Go cry under your bed Do you realize that people are not against the 15 $ price of remastered,but against the fake promises of Blizzard employers who said that Matchmaking was going to be free? Too bad, Blizzard is a business and businesses need to make money. You can't justify everything Blizzard does with this sentence. So,just make custom hotkeys a dlc that cost 5$ cause it's only 5$ ,and Blizzard is a business! Does it make sense?
Yeah sure they can do that why not. Look at it this way, Blizzard has no obligation whatsoever to remake BW, they are doing BW fans a HUGE service by remaking this game and so far they are doing an excellent job. BW will be very popular again cause of this. Just move on and pay the $15.
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I actually hope they pay wall the matchmaking for RM only to gimp the massive amount of smurfs/hackers etc. Super super hype for this.
Quit bitching, this shit is as expensive as a big mac combo. Support your favorite game
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I can't wait.
btw, when you make promises and then you break them, it's not cool. re mm bw clasic
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On June 30 2017 18:21 Arrian wrote:
The visual upgrade is nice, but not why people are coming. A larger player base + mmaking is the only real draw here.
For those two things alone, a $15 price point might seem pretty unreasonable to some when you get to the bottom of it. SCR is being released in 2017 into a market flooded with so many FTP multiplayer-only games, and they're asking for money for their game goes the thinking.
Of course, I don't subscribe that thinking at all. SC is the greatest strategy game of all time, so yeah, they're gonna get my money, and if you're complaining about $15 you can just play it without the graphical update or one of the many, many other FTP multiplayer only games out there.
It's not like Age of Empires 2 HD sold 4 million copies when it was 5 dollars more or anything.
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On June 30 2017 10:34 supernovamaniac wrote:EDIT: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eEjJUuT.png)
Can someone provide a source for this image? Here's a blue post that contradicts the image, saying that matchmaking will be included in the base version of Brood War: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20753795494#post-16
EDIT: Found that earlier in the thread someone mentioned the source of the image is the bottom of this page: https://starcraft.com/en-us/
Does that mean that Blizzard his flipped on this issue? Went back on their blue-word?
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On July 01 2017 01:14 mathemagic wrote:Can someone provide a source for this image? Here's a blue post that contradicts the image, saying that matchmaking will be included in the base version of Brood War: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20753795494#post-16EDIT: Found that earlier in the thread someone mentioned the source of the image is the bottom of this page: https://starcraft.com/en-us/Does that mean that Blizzard his flipped on this issue? Went back on their blue-word?
The source is at the bottom of Starcraft.com...
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On July 01 2017 01:14 mathemagic wrote:
as always, nobody owes you anything and changing business decisions during development is their prerogative.
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On June 30 2017 22:39 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 22:26 Dante08 wrote:On June 30 2017 21:59 raff100 wrote:On June 30 2017 20:52 danielias wrote:
$15 and you complain? You are demanding so much...I hate such clients. If you dont like it dont play it, simple. Go cry under your bed Do you realize that people are not against the 15 $ price of remastered,but against the fake promises of Blizzard employers who said that Matchmaking was going to be free? Too bad, Blizzard is a business and businesses need to make money. You can't justify everything Blizzard does with this sentence. So,just make custom hotkeys a dlc that cost 5$ cause it's only 5$ ,and Blizzard is a business! Does it make sense?
This post is so misguided. If you want to make as much profit as possible, which is all a corporation is about, you want to take as much money from your customers as possible, without making your customers feel that they got robbed.
Asking 5$ dollar for custom hotkeys? Are you really saying that is the optimal strategy for Blizzard to make as much profit as possible? But that they aren't doing it because they are a charity, not a corporation?
A corporation like Blizzard isn't going out of their way to piss off their own customers, because, their customers aren't obligated to buy their products. Well, in gaming, gamers kind of feel they are. The ones that complain the most online are the first ones to vote with their wallets. And with their wallets, they vote completely against any of the whining they put online.
Anyway, from the recent movies, you can clearly see that pathing is different. Look at the unit collision. Units get much closer to each other than originally. The game is going to feel completely different. Mabye better, probably worse, but different for sure. It is annoying that after playing for 20 years, the developer comes in, changing things in arbitrary ways, puts in graphics you don't need or care about, and forces you to completely change how you use the keyboard to control the game.
Flash will need to completely throw out his keyboard habits and learn a completely new hotkey layout to be competitive. Why? Because of this delusional view that 4K re-skinning, matchmaking, and WSAD hotkeys is somehow going to pull in disgruntled SC2 players, LoL casuals and new players, and somehow revitalize the scene so it can become what it was before Blizzard came in and destroyed professional televised SC BW (because it was competing with their new game, SC2).
The only good thing that come out of this is Blizzard deciding that they aren't going to get much more new SC2 sales and that killing SC2 for the sake of SC:R is going to be profitable. Yes. I am spiteful.
Anyway, Blizzard is in trouble. Their community invented MOBA. They actively worked against MOBA, and now LoL is the biggest game out there. Then they turned back on it, but they were forced to reconsider and then they tried to get a tiny piece of the market with their own game, but it is a marginal game. Their community invented eSports. They turned their back on it, but then they reconsidered but they were forced to reconsider and then they tried to get a tiny piece of the market with their own game. And paradoxically, Blizzard made Wizards look like Blizzard by making Hearthstone and showing that their implementation is much much better than the trashy piece of software that is MTGO.
Anyway, with WoW eventually shrinking to nothing, Blizzard being so bloated with the overhead they once needed for maximal WoW profits, management and investor pressures not allowing for the rational decision to downsize Blizzard to what they were before WoW, if they don't quickly come up with something as successful and profitable as WoW, they won't survive.
The way gaming works, you can have a well-liked game and get decent sales. Then you can have a sequel and you coast on previous success. It can be bad, but profitable. With SC2 and D3 being what they were, the number of blind sales for D4 or WC4 is not going to be as high as the number of blind sales for SC2 or D3.
And I am not talking esports-wise, competitive play-oriented. Just take gameplay innovation and story-telling as the main qualities of a good new game.
When Blizzard releases their next big title, we will talk.
And going back to SC:R. All it seems to mean so far, is less people in iccup playing 1.16. But no, we will be forced to play a different implementation of the game, where we can't play with 90% of the people online, because we decided to vote with our wallets, and vote the right way.
Blizzard, leave us alone!
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On July 01 2017 01:25 Kadungon wrote:
Anyway, from the recent movies, you can clearly see that pathing is different. Look at the unit collision. Units get much closer to each other than originally. The game is going to feel completely different. Mabye better, probably worse, but different for sure. It is annoying that after playing for 20 years, the developer comes in, changing things in arbitrary ways, puts in graphics you don't need or care about, and forces you to completely change how you use the keyboard to control the game.
What? Where do you see that? They haven't changed any unit models, just textures.
Flash will need to completely throw out his keyboard habits and learn a completely new hotkey layout to be competitive. Why? Because of this delusional view that 4K re-skinning, matchmaking, and WSAD hotkeys is somehow going to pull in disgruntled SC2 players, LoL casuals and new players, and somehow revitalize the scene so it can become what it was before Blizzard came in and destroyed professional televised SC BW (because it was competing with their new game, SC2).
I think Flash will be fine without your wild assumptions, to be honest.
Anyway, Blizzard is in trouble. Their community invented MOBA. They actively worked against MOBA, and now LoL is the biggest game out there. Then they turned back on it, but they were forced to reconsider and then they tried to get a tiny piece of the market with their own game, but it is a marginal game. Their community invented eSports. They turned their back on it, but then they reconsidered but they were forced to reconsider and then they tried to get a tiny piece of the market with their own game. And paradoxically, Blizzard made Wizards look like Blizzard by making Hearthstone and showing that their implementation is much much better than the trashy piece of software that is MTGO.
Anyway, with WoW eventually shrinking to nothing, Blizzard being so bloated with the overhead they once needed for maximal WoW profits, management and investor pressures not allowing for the rational decision to downsize Blizzard to what they were before WoW, if they don't quickly come up with something as successful and profitable as WoW, they won't survive.
Do you have some quarterly reports that are different from the ones they publish that say that somehow ATVB is doing poorly? At the top of this post you lambast the OP because he had the nerve to say companies should do something other than chase profit, yet you casually disregard that their decisions are in aggregate very profitable and they're doing just fine.
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On July 01 2017 01:17 Excalibur_Z wrote:The source is at the bottom of Starcraft.com...
as i wrote in the edit(ellipses)
On July 01 2017 01:19 ldv wrote:
as always, nobody owes you anything and changing business decisions during development is their prerogative.
Excuse me but im VERY entitled and since my mommy and daddy always treated me like a princess i deserve and am therefore owed EVERYTHING that i feel entitled to! I believe I made this very clear in my original post. In all seriousness though developers shouldn't be making public statements on undecided issues.
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I think matchmaking should be exclusive to SC:R to deter smurfs and cheaters. $15USD is so irrelevant it's not even much of a deterrent, but it's better than nothing.
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On July 01 2017 01:30 ldv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 01:25 Kadungon wrote:
Anyway, from the recent movies, you can clearly see that pathing is different. Look at the unit collision. Units get much closer to each other than originally. The game is going to feel completely different. Mabye better, probably worse, but different for sure. It is annoying that after playing for 20 years, the developer comes in, changing things in arbitrary ways, puts in graphics you don't need or care about, and forces you to completely change how you use the keyboard to control the game.
What? Where do you see that? They haven't changed any unit models, just textures. Show nested quote +
Flash will need to completely throw out his keyboard habits and learn a completely new hotkey layout to be competitive. Why? Because of this delusional view that 4K re-skinning, matchmaking, and WSAD hotkeys is somehow going to pull in disgruntled SC2 players, LoL casuals and new players, and somehow revitalize the scene so it can become what it was before Blizzard came in and destroyed professional televised SC BW (because it was competing with their new game, SC2).
I think Flash will be fine without your wild assumptions, to be honest. Show nested quote +
Anyway, Blizzard is in trouble. Their community invented MOBA. They actively worked against MOBA, and now LoL is the biggest game out there. Then they turned back on it, but they were forced to reconsider and then they tried to get a tiny piece of the market with their own game, but it is a marginal game. Their community invented eSports. They turned their back on it, but then they reconsidered but they were forced to reconsider and then they tried to get a tiny piece of the market with their own game. And paradoxically, Blizzard made Wizards look like Blizzard by making Hearthstone and showing that their implementation is much much better than the trashy piece of software that is MTGO.
Anyway, with WoW eventually shrinking to nothing, Blizzard being so bloated with the overhead they once needed for maximal WoW profits, management and investor pressures not allowing for the rational decision to downsize Blizzard to what they were before WoW, if they don't quickly come up with something as successful and profitable as WoW, they won't survive.
Do you have some quarterly reports that are different from the ones they publish that say that somehow ATVB is doing poorly? At the top of this post you lambast the OP because he had the nerve to say companies should do something other than chase profit, yet you casually disregard that their decisions are in aggregate very profitable and they're doing just fine. https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/829822967169286144
Blizzard's basically bankrupt I guess.
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