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I don't see reason for concerns. If it doesn't work out well for the BW scene, the community will just continue to play the current version. Nothing is lost.
I fully expect this to be an Age of Empires 2 HD type of deal. Where they don't even touch the UI, it stays small on an HD screen, they don't touch graphics, and for sure they don't touch mechanics.
We already can run BW on fit-screen 4:3 and with some fan-made mod even HD (for replays mostly). But we currently encounter many issues with Win 7+. If those are fixed, that's the biggest news and benefit of this ordeal.
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On August 05 2016 18:54 todespolka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 18:51 ThaReckoning wrote: Given their track record, I can't even be cautiously optimistic about this. The last like, six blizzard games have left a really bad taste in my mouth. If they intended on doing this, why didn't that just do it with sc2? You mean all their popular and highly reviewed games such as overwatch? hearthstone? Their updates and patches to diablo3? wow still being the biggest mmo after so long? Even sc2 lotv had high reviews? But maybe you think all these people are payed by blizzard and only your opinion matters. Dont try to accuse me as a blizzard fanboy. I play only sc2. But their games have always high quality graphics and sound, their animations and details are the best. Their games are relatively to other games bug free and play very smoothly on lowest requirements. Their games belong to the best of their genre. If their games had low reviews, i could understand complains, but they havent. People complain, because blizzard is a successful company, which has a great philosophie. These people cant accept that. In their mind every big company has to be bad, wrong and corrupt.
Eh, this is stretching it. Overwatch and hearthstone are mildly popular, but still getting stomped out in their respective genres like every other blizzard game. D3 still isn't what it was or what it even should have been, and LotV effectively killed competitive SC2. Runescape, the creative channel, and the eating channel routinely get more views than SC2 does on twitch.
Also, their graphics are pretty widely known to be cartoony, that's their style. I didn't mention their philosophy (which is to make as much money in the short term as possible, quality be damned). Their UI's are always fairly buggy, but I will give you that they gameplay is relatively bug free. That's just about the only thing you got right.
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On August 05 2016 19:24 ThaReckoning wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 18:54 todespolka wrote:On August 05 2016 18:51 ThaReckoning wrote: Given their track record, I can't even be cautiously optimistic about this. The last like, six blizzard games have left a really bad taste in my mouth. If they intended on doing this, why didn't that just do it with sc2? You mean all their popular and highly reviewed games such as overwatch? hearthstone? Their updates and patches to diablo3? wow still being the biggest mmo after so long? Even sc2 lotv had high reviews? But maybe you think all these people are payed by blizzard and only your opinion matters. Dont try to accuse me as a blizzard fanboy. I play only sc2. But their games have always high quality graphics and sound, their animations and details are the best. Their games are relatively to other games bug free and play very smoothly on lowest requirements. Their games belong to the best of their genre. If their games had low reviews, i could understand complains, but they havent. People complain, because blizzard is a successful company, which has a great philosophie. These people cant accept that. In their mind every big company has to be bad, wrong and corrupt. Eh, this is stretching it. Overwatch and hearthstone are mildly popular, but still getting stomped out in their respective genres like every other blizzard game. D3 still isn't what it was or what it even should have been, and LotV effectively killed competitive SC2. Runescape, the creative channel, and the eating channel routinely get more views than SC2 does on twitch. Also, their graphics are pretty widely known to be cartoony, that's their style. I didn't mention their philosophy (which is to make as much money in the short term as possible, quality be damned). Their UI's are always fairly buggy, but I will give you that they gameplay is relatively bug free. That's just about the only thing you got right.
Both Overwatch and Hearthstone are making absolutely gangbusters and are considered Kings in their genre. I'm curious which competitive FPS is miles ahead of Overwatch in popularity, and which card game is more popular than Hearthstone at all.
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This will be awesome if they manage to only improve the graphics but keep the gameplay EXACTLY THE SAME. One thing that makes BW great to watch is actually the buggy pathfinding. Not sure how they will do it though.
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The BW utility programs and servers have long been in the hands of the community, blizz knows they gotta play it big or go home to rise above the current standard and attract players
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On August 05 2016 18:54 todespolka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 18:51 ThaReckoning wrote: Given their track record, I can't even be cautiously optimistic about this. The last like, six blizzard games have left a really bad taste in my mouth. If they intended on doing this, why didn't that just do it with sc2? You mean all their popular and highly reviewed games such as overwatch? hearthstone? Their updates and patches to diablo3? wow still being the biggest mmo after so long? Even sc2 lotv had high reviews? But maybe you think all these people are payed by blizzard and only your opinion matters. Dont try to accuse me as a blizzard fanboy. I play only sc2. But their games have always high quality graphics and sound, their animations and details are the best. Their games are relatively to other games bug free and play very smoothly on lowest requirements. Their games belong to the best of their genre. If their games had low reviews, i could understand complains, but they havent. People complain, because blizzard is a successful company, which has a great philosophie. These people cant accept that. In their mind every big company has to be bad, wrong and corrupt.
Funny how you mention everything except the only thing that actually matters (gameplay). Btw hearthstone is fun, I play it, but it is so badly designed. So what ThaReckoning has said with "The last like, six blizzard games have left a really bad taste in my mouth" is a legit concern. Their games have dropped significantly in the gameplay department. While still fun, they could MUCH better, which is why BW is the best game there is. And do you honestly think the current wow is as good as the old wow?
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On August 05 2016 19:26 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 19:24 ThaReckoning wrote:On August 05 2016 18:54 todespolka wrote:On August 05 2016 18:51 ThaReckoning wrote: Given their track record, I can't even be cautiously optimistic about this. The last like, six blizzard games have left a really bad taste in my mouth. If they intended on doing this, why didn't that just do it with sc2? You mean all their popular and highly reviewed games such as overwatch? hearthstone? Their updates and patches to diablo3? wow still being the biggest mmo after so long? Even sc2 lotv had high reviews? But maybe you think all these people are payed by blizzard and only your opinion matters. Dont try to accuse me as a blizzard fanboy. I play only sc2. But their games have always high quality graphics and sound, their animations and details are the best. Their games are relatively to other games bug free and play very smoothly on lowest requirements. Their games belong to the best of their genre. If their games had low reviews, i could understand complains, but they havent. People complain, because blizzard is a successful company, which has a great philosophie. These people cant accept that. In their mind every big company has to be bad, wrong and corrupt. Eh, this is stretching it. Overwatch and hearthstone are mildly popular, but still getting stomped out in their respective genres like every other blizzard game. D3 still isn't what it was or what it even should have been, and LotV effectively killed competitive SC2. Runescape, the creative channel, and the eating channel routinely get more views than SC2 does on twitch. Also, their graphics are pretty widely known to be cartoony, that's their style. I didn't mention their philosophy (which is to make as much money in the short term as possible, quality be damned). Their UI's are always fairly buggy, but I will give you that they gameplay is relatively bug free. That's just about the only thing you got right. Both Overwatch and Hearthstone are making absolutely gangbusters and are considered Kings in their genre. I'm curious which competitive FPS is miles ahead of Overwatch in popularity, and which card game is more popular than Hearthstone at all.
CS:GO and MTG.
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On August 05 2016 19:40 ThaReckoning wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 19:26 digmouse wrote:On August 05 2016 19:24 ThaReckoning wrote:On August 05 2016 18:54 todespolka wrote:On August 05 2016 18:51 ThaReckoning wrote: Given their track record, I can't even be cautiously optimistic about this. The last like, six blizzard games have left a really bad taste in my mouth. If they intended on doing this, why didn't that just do it with sc2? You mean all their popular and highly reviewed games such as overwatch? hearthstone? Their updates and patches to diablo3? wow still being the biggest mmo after so long? Even sc2 lotv had high reviews? But maybe you think all these people are payed by blizzard and only your opinion matters. Dont try to accuse me as a blizzard fanboy. I play only sc2. But their games have always high quality graphics and sound, their animations and details are the best. Their games are relatively to other games bug free and play very smoothly on lowest requirements. Their games belong to the best of their genre. If their games had low reviews, i could understand complains, but they havent. People complain, because blizzard is a successful company, which has a great philosophie. These people cant accept that. In their mind every big company has to be bad, wrong and corrupt. Eh, this is stretching it. Overwatch and hearthstone are mildly popular, but still getting stomped out in their respective genres like every other blizzard game. D3 still isn't what it was or what it even should have been, and LotV effectively killed competitive SC2. Runescape, the creative channel, and the eating channel routinely get more views than SC2 does on twitch. Also, their graphics are pretty widely known to be cartoony, that's their style. I didn't mention their philosophy (which is to make as much money in the short term as possible, quality be damned). Their UI's are always fairly buggy, but I will give you that they gameplay is relatively bug free. That's just about the only thing you got right. Both Overwatch and Hearthstone are making absolutely gangbusters and are considered Kings in their genre. I'm curious which competitive FPS is miles ahead of Overwatch in popularity, and which card game is more popular than Hearthstone at all. CS:GO and MTG. You can't say CSGO and MTG "stomped out" Overwatch and HS. And even without comparison, stating them as "mildly popular" is a huge hyperbole. Both are among the most popular games in the entire world right now. And the rest of Blizzard games are still ranked one the most popular within their genre, respectively, whether the competitive scene thinks it good or not.
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On August 05 2016 19:40 ThaReckoning wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 19:26 digmouse wrote:On August 05 2016 19:24 ThaReckoning wrote:On August 05 2016 18:54 todespolka wrote:On August 05 2016 18:51 ThaReckoning wrote: Given their track record, I can't even be cautiously optimistic about this. The last like, six blizzard games have left a really bad taste in my mouth. If they intended on doing this, why didn't that just do it with sc2? You mean all their popular and highly reviewed games such as overwatch? hearthstone? Their updates and patches to diablo3? wow still being the biggest mmo after so long? Even sc2 lotv had high reviews? But maybe you think all these people are payed by blizzard and only your opinion matters. Dont try to accuse me as a blizzard fanboy. I play only sc2. But their games have always high quality graphics and sound, their animations and details are the best. Their games are relatively to other games bug free and play very smoothly on lowest requirements. Their games belong to the best of their genre. If their games had low reviews, i could understand complains, but they havent. People complain, because blizzard is a successful company, which has a great philosophie. These people cant accept that. In their mind every big company has to be bad, wrong and corrupt. Eh, this is stretching it. Overwatch and hearthstone are mildly popular, but still getting stomped out in their respective genres like every other blizzard game. D3 still isn't what it was or what it even should have been, and LotV effectively killed competitive SC2. Runescape, the creative channel, and the eating channel routinely get more views than SC2 does on twitch. Also, their graphics are pretty widely known to be cartoony, that's their style. I didn't mention their philosophy (which is to make as much money in the short term as possible, quality be damned). Their UI's are always fairly buggy, but I will give you that they gameplay is relatively bug free. That's just about the only thing you got right. Both Overwatch and Hearthstone are making absolutely gangbusters and are considered Kings in their genre. I'm curious which competitive FPS is miles ahead of Overwatch in popularity, and which card game is more popular than Hearthstone at all. CS:GO and MTG. GO and overwatch are quite different, and MTG and hearthstone doesn't compare either. hearthstone is accessible for what it is worth, while MTG ain't.
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Blizzard is gonna fuck things up big time. Mark my words.
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On August 05 2016 20:22 Cele wrote: Blizzard is gonna fuck things up big time. Mark my words. is ok yo, is ok.
just live life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
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On August 05 2016 20:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 20:22 Cele wrote: Blizzard is gonna fuck things up big time. Mark my words. is ok yo, is ok. just live life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
if and when it's finished. Yeah. And if still has enough users after BW HD is out and is , oh suprise, only playable on official Blizzard servers. BNET 2.0 integration without Lan support is a thing, that could happen.
€: sorry, "BW history" has just made me a pessimist regarding any "improvement" made by Blizzard entertainment from ~2006 onward. The last good implementation was penguin plugin imo (chat in replays)
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/offtopic I think it's very safe to say that Blizzard has the top 1 game in 5 out of 6 genres they currently have supported game in. Only Heroes is not the top game of its genre. (and there we could argue this whole genre is solidly rooted in Blizzard RTS games and their mods)
It's another topic that the genres themselves are not currently super popular* (RTS, MMO, Diablo-likes). But meanwhile Blizzard made huge progress in new areas that they didn't have any experience in and made top 1 games that were originally almost laughed at as an idea. (Hearthstone, Overwatch)
EDIT: *or rather, are beyond their peak of popularity. They are still hugely popular compared to many other genres and games.
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On August 05 2016 20:36 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 20:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 05 2016 20:22 Cele wrote: Blizzard is gonna fuck things up big time. Mark my words. is ok yo, is ok. just live life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery if and when it's finished. Yeah. And if still has enough users after BW HD is out and is , oh suprise, only playable on official Blizzard servers. BNET 2.0 integration without Lan support is a thing, that could happen. €: sorry, "BW history" has just made me a pessimist regarding any "improvement" made by Blizzard entertainment from ~2006 onward. The last good implementation was penguin plugin imo (chat in replays) I understand how you feel and I'm cautiously optimistic.
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The fastest selling PC game title of all time is "mildly popular". I had to double check what mildly means.
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On August 05 2016 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 20:36 Cele wrote:On August 05 2016 20:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 05 2016 20:22 Cele wrote: Blizzard is gonna fuck things up big time. Mark my words. is ok yo, is ok. just live life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery if and when it's finished. Yeah. And if still has enough users after BW HD is out and is , oh suprise, only playable on official Blizzard servers. BNET 2.0 integration without Lan support is a thing, that could happen. €: sorry, "BW history" has just made me a pessimist regarding any "improvement" made by Blizzard entertainment from ~2006 onward. The last good implementation was penguin plugin imo (chat in replays) I understand how you feel and I'm cautiously optimistic.
im not having just a feeling, I have followed the way blizzard tries to incorporate and listen to the needs of the BW scene for years. And simple answer: they just don't. But i hope you're right about it and we can agree at the end of the day that blizzard, once, did a better job involving the BW scene.
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I'm slightly worried about the incompatibilities w/ replays, plugins, etc but i guess we can keep the old sc for that. Assuming this gets popular, will Iccup/Shieldbattery switch?
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