EPTWould you pay to get better at BW? - Page 4
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
i'd pay 5$ to play in a ladder for a while but i doubt i'd pay an individual for coaching | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On February 22 2007 18:14 Heen wrote: I don't think BW is complex enough of a game to need teaching. That isn't to say that it's an easy game, just a game where practice and motivation makes perfect. Sometimes, I can feel that my game has gotten better just by thinking (image training?) about it. Of course, if we're talking about guaranteed improvement in skill, I might pay a four digit amount to become pro-level. But I'd assume that most others here would too  lol not complex enough? you think tennis or football are more complex? | ||
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[angst]chraej
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IdiotWind
Canada321 Posts
who would put up $10 to enter into a money sc tournament? Or a UMS tournament with a pool of some well known umses (basketball, scv football, nfl blitz, TMA, TMM) etc. | ||
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mlaoxve
Sweden165 Posts
and seriously its not often you can play against high level people in the starcrft community with them giving you valueable critique, id say it would speed up the learning process by shitloADS. but once you have reached a certain level in the game you dont really need somoene critique, just better and better practice partners. | ||
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[angst]chraej
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
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~Legit~
United States408 Posts
might have the ppl wrong | ||
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
imo of course. | ||
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NubainMuscle
South Africa423 Posts
On February 22 2007 18:30 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: lol not complex enough? you think tennis or football are more complex? I can't speak for tennis but I know for a fact that American-Football is far more complex. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9109 Posts
On February 22 2007 17:51 Seraphim wrote: Look, If i could pay money, just to get better, like, buying liquid skill, I would do it. Otherwise, no. Yeah i agree with this guy. If i just payed $10 and magically got better at sc i'd do it, but paying someone bettter than you to give you advice doens't guarentee you'll improve at all. I'm sure it coudl work, but I don't i'd care enough to pay a coach. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
On February 22 2007 20:06 NubainMuscle wrote: I can't speak for tennis but I know for a fact that American-Football is far more complex. What the hell are you talking about? There are tons of small nuances on just 1 map let alone the hundreds of others. You play on the same field in football, the same plays are usually done, etc. You have different building placement, build orders, etc. for SC. Very different from football. Timing is also not a factor in football. You have an allowed time you make your play in it, never fluctuates. You are so wrong it makes me cringe. | ||
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Rayzorblade
United States1172 Posts
On February 22 2007 20:06 NubainMuscle wrote: I can't speak for tennis but I know for a fact that American-Football is far more complex. So have you got much better since Testie has been coaching you? | ||
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Rayzorblade
United States1172 Posts
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SeBASTa
China1147 Posts
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x_woof_x
United States659 Posts
i would give my right arm for lessons | ||
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
On February 22 2007 18:30 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: lol not complex enough? you think tennis or football are more complex? No offense, but it's an insult to compare BW to tennis or football. Starcraft is considered a reflex-strategy game. That is true to an extent, however, that doesn't mean it's comparable to tennis or pure mind games such as chess and baduk/go. I'm not trying to discredit progamers. It just seems to me you're trying to make a point by using the wrong analogy. | ||
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NubainMuscle
South Africa423 Posts
On February 22 2007 20:34 DeadVessel wrote: What the hell are you talking about? There are tons of small nuances on just 1 map let alone the hundreds of others. You play on the same field in football, the same plays are usually done, etc. You have different building placement, build orders, etc. for SC. Very different from football. Timing is also not a factor in football. You have an allowed time you make your play in it, never fluctuates. You are so wrong it makes me cringe. An NFL offense has literally 100s of plays PER formation. There are probably 30-40 different formations in pro football. Each individual play has several audibles (or variations) ... at least 5-6. Each football team has a head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, and then specialty coaches for each and every position. Each position's responsibility varies depending on the specific play, the formation and style of the opponent, opponent players moving into motion, etc. In addition, each player on the field is remarkably different (whereas a dragoon is always a dragoon, a hydralisk always a hydralisk, etc.). So it is the head coach's responsibility to craft the offense, defense, AND special teams in accordance to the team's relative strengths and weaknesses. Terrain IS an issue in football. It is not always the same field. Some fields are grass, some turf, some grass-turf. Dome stadiums differ remarkably from outdoor stadiums. In addition, the temperature and precipitation is variable unlike Starcraft. Imagine if there was rain or snow in Starcraft that causes certain units to malfunction? ;] Timing IS ABSOLUTELY a factor in football. Delayed snap-counts can draw the defense offsides. The team is pressured by the time-clock, and going over the play-clock results in a penalty. Time-outs must be used strategically to stop the clock. Running out of bounds stops the clock. Just like timing is important in executing a starcraft strategy, it is equally important when considering which plays to run. If you wish to compare the two activities fairly, lets put it this way: Football is the equivalent of a 100 man vs 100 man team melee! (if such a thing were possible) | ||
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