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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
February 22 2007 09:21 GMT
#61
$5, $10 for really elite players.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
February 22 2007 09:26 GMT
#62
What do you mean?

i'd pay 5$ to play in a ladder for a while

but i doubt i'd pay an individual for coaching
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
February 22 2007 09:30 GMT
#63
On February 22 2007 18:14 Heen wrote:
I don't think BW is complex enough of a game to need teaching. That isn't to say that it's an easy game, just a game where practice and motivation makes perfect.

Sometimes, I can feel that my game has gotten better just by thinking (image training?) about it.

Of course, if we're talking about guaranteed improvement in skill, I might pay a four digit amount to become pro-level. But I'd assume that most others here would too

lol not complex enough? you think tennis or football are more complex?
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[angst]chraej
Profile Joined January 2006
1445 Posts
February 22 2007 09:31 GMT
#64
by the time you've spent all your cash and can finally beat testie the korean starcraft scene will either have colapsed or shifted to star2
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded
IdiotWind
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada321 Posts
February 22 2007 10:06 GMT
#65
ok how about a better question...

who would put up $10 to enter into a money sc tournament? Or a UMS tournament with a pool of some well known umses (basketball, scv football, nfl blitz, TMA, TMM) etc.
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mlaoxve
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden165 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-22 10:20:24
February 22 2007 10:11 GMT
#66
If this was 1 year ago i would take testies offer, because 1 year ago i had shitloads of money sitting around. And i was a shittier player.

and seriously its not often you can play against high level people in the starcrft community with them giving you valueable critique, id say it would speed up the learning process by shitloADS.

but once you have reached a certain level in the game you dont really need somoene critique, just better and better practice partners.
man i wish i was as cool as you
[angst]chraej
Profile Joined January 2006
1445 Posts
February 22 2007 10:24 GMT
#67
i think if there were more opportunites to player better players more often, non koreans would have a much higher skill level over all.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
February 22 2007 10:31 GMT
#68
No because I don't have any money and I could improve on my own if I wanted to anyway.
~Legit~
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States408 Posts
February 22 2007 10:41 GMT
#69
sorry havent read through posts but didnt like elky/naz/rek do this a few years ago?


might have the ppl wrong
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DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
February 22 2007 11:00 GMT
#70
I wouldn't have fun depending on someone like that. In my opinion its more rewarding to learn and develop mostly on your own. Having someone to tell you whats right and wrong, etc. the whole way makes becoming good less rewarding.

imo of course.
NubainMuscle
Profile Joined June 2005
South Africa423 Posts
February 22 2007 11:06 GMT
#71
On February 22 2007 18:30 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
lol not complex enough? you think tennis or football are more complex?


I can't speak for tennis but I know for a fact that American-Football is far more complex.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
February 22 2007 11:17 GMT
#72
On February 22 2007 17:51 Seraphim wrote:
Look,

If i could pay money, just to get better, like, buying liquid skill, I would do it. Otherwise, no.


Yeah i agree with this guy. If i just payed $10 and magically got better at sc i'd do it, but paying someone bettter than you to give you advice doens't guarentee you'll improve at all. I'm sure it coudl work, but I don't i'd care enough to pay a coach.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
February 22 2007 11:29 GMT
#73
I think if you need to pay to get better, you should probably not be the type to take this sort of deal anyway. The only scenario I can picture saying yes to this is to play practice matches with the korean gosu's since there's almost no way to get matches against them otherwise. And even then, it's more paying for the thrill of playing a name than getting "better".
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
February 22 2007 11:34 GMT
#74
On February 22 2007 20:06 NubainMuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2007 18:30 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
lol not complex enough? you think tennis or football are more complex?


I can't speak for tennis but I know for a fact that American-Football is far more complex.

What the hell are you talking about? There are tons of small nuances on just 1 map let alone the hundreds of others. You play on the same field in football, the same plays are usually done, etc.
You have different building placement, build orders, etc. for SC. Very different from football. Timing is also not a factor in football. You have an allowed time you make your play in it, never fluctuates. You are so wrong it makes me cringe.
Rayzorblade
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1172 Posts
February 22 2007 11:51 GMT
#75
On February 22 2007 20:06 NubainMuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2007 18:30 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
lol not complex enough? you think tennis or football are more complex?


I can't speak for tennis but I know for a fact that American-Football is far more complex.


So have you got much better since Testie has been coaching you?
Rayzorblade
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1172 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-22 11:56:40
February 22 2007 11:54 GMT
#76
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SeBASTa
Profile Joined September 2003
China1147 Posts
February 22 2007 12:00 GMT
#77
depends who teach me
En Taro Terran
x_woof_x
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States659 Posts
February 22 2007 12:08 GMT
#78
i would pay to just see boxer
i would give my right arm for lessons
STOP...... Manner time. 윤상현
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
February 22 2007 12:16 GMT
#79
On February 22 2007 18:30 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2007 18:14 Heen wrote:
I don't think BW is complex enough of a game to need teaching. That isn't to say that it's an easy game, just a game where practice and motivation makes perfect.

Sometimes, I can feel that my game has gotten better just by thinking (image training?) about it.

Of course, if we're talking about guaranteed improvement in skill, I might pay a four digit amount to become pro-level. But I'd assume that most others here would too

lol not complex enough? you think tennis or football are more complex?

No offense, but it's an insult to compare BW to tennis or football. Starcraft is considered a reflex-strategy game. That is true to an extent, however, that doesn't mean it's comparable to tennis or pure mind games such as chess and baduk/go.

I'm not trying to discredit progamers. It just seems to me you're trying to make a point by using the wrong analogy.
('''(G_G/'''')
NubainMuscle
Profile Joined June 2005
South Africa423 Posts
February 22 2007 12:45 GMT
#80
On February 22 2007 20:34 DeadVessel wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? There are tons of small nuances on just 1 map let alone the hundreds of others. You play on the same field in football, the same plays are usually done, etc.
You have different building placement, build orders, etc. for SC. Very different from football. Timing is also not a factor in football. You have an allowed time you make your play in it, never fluctuates. You are so wrong it makes me cringe.


An NFL offense has literally 100s of plays PER formation.
There are probably 30-40 different formations in pro football.
Each individual play has several audibles (or variations) ... at least 5-6.

Each football team has a head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, and then specialty coaches for each and every position. Each position's responsibility varies depending on the specific play, the formation and style of the opponent, opponent players moving into motion, etc.

In addition, each player on the field is remarkably different (whereas a dragoon is always a dragoon, a hydralisk always a hydralisk, etc.). So it is the head coach's responsibility to craft the offense, defense, AND special teams in accordance to the team's relative strengths and weaknesses.

Terrain IS an issue in football. It is not always the same field. Some fields are grass, some turf, some grass-turf. Dome stadiums differ remarkably from outdoor stadiums. In addition, the temperature and precipitation is variable unlike Starcraft. Imagine if there was rain or snow in Starcraft that causes certain units to malfunction? ;]

Timing IS ABSOLUTELY a factor in football. Delayed snap-counts can draw the defense offsides.
The team is pressured by the time-clock, and going over the play-clock results in a penalty.
Time-outs must be used strategically to stop the clock. Running out of bounds stops the clock.
Just like timing is important in executing a starcraft strategy, it is equally important when considering which plays to run.

If you wish to compare the two activities fairly, lets put it this way:
Football is the equivalent of a 100 man vs 100 man team melee! (if such a thing were possible)
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