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Number of expected people at Proleague final?

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ShcShc
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Canada912 Posts
January 05 2007 14:41 GMT
#1
I remember articles saying 120 000, 150 000 even 200 000 people attended the proleague finals.

Does anybody have any idea what the number of people expected to attend the next Proleague final between CJ and MBC?

Many thanks.
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United States12796 Posts
January 05 2007 14:43 GMT
#2
haha this is like a question for the executives marketing department of MBC. Don't think I could answer that...
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Australia1810 Posts
January 05 2007 14:45 GMT
#3
wtf 200000 people.. are you sure? sporting stadiums cant hold that many T_T
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Slovenia950 Posts
January 05 2007 14:49 GMT
#4
Look at that famous Proleague finals between KTF and SKT1 couple of years back in Pusan, on the beach. I think a fairly optimistic estimate was 20.000 people, and even such a relatively small number looked like a damn huge crowd. Though watching finals and knowing there's a huge 100.000 crowd in there, cheering, would be a revelation in itself, I don't think such a number is a reasonable expectation. Besides, where are the finals being held anyway?
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Canada912 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-05 14:52:37
January 05 2007 14:50 GMT
#5
On January 05 2007 23:45 We Are Here wrote:
wtf 200000 people.. are you sure? sporting stadiums cant hold that many T_T


"Over 140 professional game tournaments have been held with a combined prize money of more than 5 billion won. Some 200,000 people gathered in Chamsil Baseball Stadium to see one of the final matches last year. And with the growing success and popularity of these tournaments, more large companies are sponsoring game leagues or pro-gaming teams and more youngsters dream of becoming a pro gamer when they grow up."

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/culture/200405/kt2004052417533611690.htm
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alpskomleko
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Slovenia950 Posts
January 05 2007 15:03 GMT
#6
What..the..we need a Korean spy to immediately confirm or reject these claims! That's more than the amount of people that fit in the Maracana stadium in Brasil :o
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Braavos36375 Posts
January 05 2007 15:31 GMT
#7
On January 05 2007 23:49 alpskomleko wrote:
Look at that famous Proleague finals between KTF and SKT1 couple of years back in Pusan, on the beach. I think a fairly optimistic estimate was 20.000 people, and even such a relatively small number looked like a damn huge crowd. Though watching finals and knowing there's a huge 100.000 crowd in there, cheering, would be a revelation in itself, I don't think such a number is a reasonable expectation. Besides, where are the finals being held anyway?

they said that the crowd there was estimated 100-130,000 people, according to uzoo and eforce

probably the real number was less, but i doubt it's as low as 20,000, where did you get that number from? source?
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Canada912 Posts
January 05 2007 15:34 GMT
#8
By the way, while we're on it, how much would it cost to watch the finals and/or a OSL starcraft match?
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Osaka27149 Posts
January 05 2007 15:35 GMT
#9
nothing.
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United States3085 Posts
January 05 2007 15:39 GMT
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ShcShc
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Canada912 Posts
January 05 2007 15:54 GMT
#11
I see.
Makes sense I guess since your really watching it on tv.

I'm guessing their only revenue is through exposure?
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alpskomleko
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Slovenia950 Posts
January 05 2007 15:56 GMT
#12
100-130.000? I have been living a lie. Though that might be counting in the total number of visitors in the broader area, I don't think I've seen more than approximately 15.000 seats in the VODs.
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ShcShc
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Canada912 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-05 16:05:01
January 05 2007 16:04 GMT
#13
[image loading]


Dunno, how many people could be there?
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alpskomleko
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Slovenia950 Posts
January 05 2007 16:07 GMT
#14
That's one of the pictures I was using as an argument, no way is that anywhere near 100.000 people, even when packed at gametime.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
January 05 2007 16:17 GMT
#15
My rough guess for that picture is about 6000 people
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Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 05 2007 17:00 GMT
#16
the finals in pusan was literally on the beach, so they probably included the pple sitting around on the sand, walking by in the nearby city just catching a glimpse ofit, or just stopping by for 10 mins then going on abou ttheir business as well.

the 20,000 count comes from estimating how many seats were in one "block" of the crowd section, then multiplying by the number of chair "blocks"
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
January 05 2007 18:30 GMT
#17
On January 06 2007 01:17 KizZBG wrote:
My rough guess for that picture is about 6000 people


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United States7366 Posts
January 05 2007 18:32 GMT
#18
[image loading]


i'd trust the figures at 100k
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Greece3359 Posts
January 05 2007 18:39 GMT
#19
this time its not SKT vs KTF so expect less than that
Myxomatosis
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United States2392 Posts
January 05 2007 18:44 GMT
#20
I don't think that's a hundred thousand. A hundred thousand fills central park! (I'm awfully terrible at numerical estimates, so please excuse my disbelief)
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Osaka27149 Posts
January 05 2007 19:02 GMT
#21
I would defiantely say 100k.

Put it this way, 1k kids fit into the tiny gym at my school. Each of those blocks of people looks about the same size. Count the blocks, -20% for gaps, and you still have over 100k.
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Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
January 05 2007 19:04 GMT
#22
there are 5k maybe 6k sits there
28 horizontal , 12-15 vertical devided in to 12 sectors u do the math
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Australia6103 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-05 19:14:32
January 05 2007 19:09 GMT
#23
On January 06 2007 03:32 Day[9] wrote:
[image loading]


i'd trust the figures at 100k


ill doubt thats 100K, cause this is what 90K looks like

http://www.austadiums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2301

http://www.austadiums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2511
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-05 19:28:11
January 05 2007 19:24 GMT
#24
I remember hearing 15k...wasnt there a mini documentary in that mega post by haji?

15k live and millions on tv.


gadget show:
5-600 fro indoor matches
15-20k for stadiums
10 million tv audience


This is what 200000 people look like:
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Bulgaria4059 Posts
January 05 2007 20:30 GMT
#25
On January 06 2007 03:30 Day[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2007 01:17 KizZBG wrote:
My rough guess for that picture is about 6000 people


hahahahahaahaahhaahahahahah


Not that funny. Actually I think he`s correct. At most there are 10 000 people there.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
January 05 2007 21:33 GMT
#26
On January 06 2007 01:04 ShcShc wrote:
[image loading]


Dunno, how many people could be there?

I'm more concerned with the giant orbs of fire surrounding the audience.
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
January 05 2007 21:33 GMT
#27
On January 06 2007 03:32 Day[9] wrote:
[image loading]


i'd trust the figures at 100k


I guess you havent seen 100k people in a place before? >_<
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United States408 Posts
January 05 2007 22:11 GMT
#28
man i just keep picturing what a giant reaver scarab looks like going into those crowds >.< (No REAL deaths of course :D)
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Pakistan1905 Posts
January 05 2007 22:26 GMT
#29
That doesnt look like 6000, and it doesnt look like 100,000.

I think 15,000 - 20,000.
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United States4482 Posts
January 05 2007 22:29 GMT
#30
On January 06 2007 07:11 ~Legit~ wrote:
man i just keep picturing what a giant reaver scarab looks like going into those crowds >.< (No REAL deaths of course :D)
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alpskomleko
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Slovenia950 Posts
January 05 2007 22:50 GMT
#31
storrrrrrrm ....
players do games, press mens do their things. and fans do make good cheers.
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
January 05 2007 22:56 GMT
#32
[image loading]


I'd say it's about 50K.
I don't think using pics of stadiums is a good idea because the way they're designed makes it looks much more crowded since you can see most ppl in a shorter distance.
Here is a pic of a demonstration with 100,000 ppl.
[image loading]

(btw it looks like SKoreans do love US a lot )

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Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1861 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-05 23:48:36
January 05 2007 23:20 GMT
#33
In the daytime picture, the blocks of people are about 12x32, with 10 full blocks. Including the others hanging around the edges, I'd say there's no more than 5000 people there. That's still a lot for a game tournament :p.

edit: in the nighttime picture there are at least 17 blocks, giving at least 6500 people.

While 20,000 is somewhat possible (especially for the one held in a stadium), estimates of 100k or higher are probably either a result of miscommunication or deliberate propaganda/marketing. It doesn't really matter though, even just getting thousands of spectators is a hell of a lot for a merely 10 year old game that doesn't lose much, if anything, when watched on TV when compared to normal sports (after all, at a live SC game you're basically just watching the TV broadcast on a huge screen anyway).
ShcShc
Profile Joined October 2006
Canada912 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-05 23:53:41
January 05 2007 23:50 GMT
#34
20 000 and a 130 000 has a large gap... a really huge large gap.

Wouldn't it be absolutely idiotic of the marketer to inflate the number x5 times more than it is?
Such deliberate fix would most likely be denounced as "unlikely" by these reputable source (the article says 200 000.. Would be quite idiotic to inflate the number x10 or x30 times than it was).

I have no idea what the real number is but it seems more than 20 000 from my view. The "Bell Center" here in Montreal has a capacity of 21 000 people (which I went to a few times) and the arena itself is not all that big. (In fact, it looks just slighter bigger than the NaDa vs Anytime OSL final)

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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 06 2007 00:46 GMT
#35
On January 06 2007 03:44 Myxomatosis wrote:
I don't think that's a hundred thousand. A hundred thousand fills central park! (I'm awfully terrible at numerical estimates, so please excuse my disbelief)
well, there were an estimated 1 million people at the new year thing in time square, it is very easy to pack a lot of people in a small area if they just stand or are seated closely.
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United States1109 Posts
January 06 2007 00:51 GMT
#36
and i get nervous when just 1 person stands behind me when i play
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Argentina1204 Posts
January 06 2007 00:58 GMT
#37
On January 06 2007 04:04 xM(Z wrote:
there are 5k maybe 6k sits there
28 horizontal , 12-15 vertical devided in to 12 sectors u do the math
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i counted similar, and estimate max 4000 seated there. Maybe it could rise to 5000 with standing people or something (being quite generous)
Doctorasul
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Romania1145 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-06 01:03:09
January 06 2007 01:00 GMT
#38
On January 06 2007 03:30 Day[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2007 01:17 KizZBG wrote:
My rough guess for that picture is about 6000 people


hahahahahaahaahhaahahahahah


On January 06 2007 03:32 Day[9] wrote:

i'd trust the figures at 100k


Alright, let me have a look-see.

[image loading]


You've got 12 parcels of 30 rows (counted them) and 25 people per row (I'm being generous here). That's 12x30x25=9000. Bystanders are another few thousand, let's say (again, being very generous). That adds up to about 12 thousand.

[image loading]


If I'm not mistaken, this is the same location, same number of parcels, right?

This is certanly not a 100k crowd, but much, much lower than that.

Edit: I see others beat me to it
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ShcShc
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Canada912 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-06 01:04:38
January 06 2007 01:04 GMT
#39
[image loading]


Time Square. 1 million people
Bad picture though but dunno, might help?
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Germany3474 Posts
January 06 2007 01:04 GMT
#40
lovely how people are like " i guess there's 50000, or "it looks like 100.000" instead of just counting the rows (or even easier, reading the posts of people that already did their work for them) and realize that there are AT MOST 20.000 people on that night time picture and 10.000 on the daytime one.
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ShcShc
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Canada912 Posts
January 06 2007 01:11 GMT
#41
If it is therefore approx 10 000, how would they be able to inflate it to 100 000?
90 000 is quite a significant difference.
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Doctorasul
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Romania1145 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-06 01:31:56
January 06 2007 01:31 GMT
#42
Actually the difference is only of one zero.

Yes, I'm being a smartass.
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Canada122 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-06 01:57:49
January 06 2007 01:48 GMT
#43
ok so i have done you all a big favor zoomed in blah blah, was not long.


so theres 100 ppl per square make the rest with your imagination ive created 1 square for your eyes. gl hf this is exact.100%

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