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Physician
United States4146 Posts
Entropy's SC 2008 X-Mass Wish List
"yeah I am 2 years early, but it would be a good 10th year StarCraft happening and x-mass present!"
1. A SC/BW sequel, not sc2, 2d higher resolution, new music, expansion of story line yada yada..
2. Recode original SC/BW so that it is not Swiss cheese for hacks and piracy.
3. A new race*
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i)adding a new race adds complexity, more complexity more fun, more strategically depth, and it permits to side step the balance issue, once launched the new race can be tweaked, independently, until it is balanced with respect to the other races (without having to mess with the units of the established races).
ii)progaming will not be hugely affected by it, because progamers will still use their races, those that chose the "new race" will be at a disadvantage for a long while before they reach the skill level to compete with them in that skill level. That way it does not alienate all the current players from the new ones. A sequel has to take in account the Korean pro-gaming phenomena so it does not hurt it in any way.
iii)optional matching system a la warcraft3 style.
4. After one year another sequel with 2 new units per race (i.e. repeat the Brood War magic when everyone used to the new race, keep everyone buying and playing).
5. A system so a single online game can be watched by thousands almost live or live (i.e. bwtv)
6. an optional, Blizzard run, fee for service* and thus daily upkeep, real i.d. registration and a secure online ladder/tournament, prizes provided by third party corporate sponsors.
*so they have a concrete reason to keep it hack free and abuse free.
Nothing wrong with dreaming..and last but not least,
7.  for the movie.
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Korea (South)11577 Posts
I want...
4) Hack Free Blizzard Supported Ladder (Top 10 ladder players go to Korea [Blizzcon etc...] and fight it out)
5) No more black screen of death
6) Allow "illegal" characters to be made into names again
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Calgary25980 Posts
Despite all the whining and wishes you guys always have, I'm actually pretty satisfied with Starcraft in its current state; Like 99% satisfied. 
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
I just fucking want a better Battle.Net interface and fixed pathfinding. Is that so hard? T_T
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Canada2210 Posts
I want
SC2
better battle.net
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A new race... that sounds interesting but I'm afraid it will be an unfufilled wish. In a couple of years if not months StarCraft will die if nothing is done... 
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7) I want blizzard to kick WGT's ass and start the ladder :/
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
1) tasteless to move to korea and start providing english commentary for msl osl and sky proleague
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i want the f ls to get fucking bigger
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A more user-friendly lower-apm requirement interface
multiple building selection
larger group size
not multiple casting with a group of casters
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Keep broodwar to what it is, but cell shade the entire thing so it can keep its 2d-ness, but still have decent graphics.
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On December 13 2006 15:08 azndsh wrote:
A more user-friendly lower-apm requirement interface
multiple building selection
larger group size
not multiple casting with a group of casters
just go play wc3...
starcraft is perfect because of the number of things you need to be good
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On December 13 2006 15:24 Yogurt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2006 15:08 azndsh wrote:
A more user-friendly lower-apm requirement interface
multiple building selection
larger group size
not multiple casting with a group of casters just go play wc3... starcraft is perfect because of the number of things you need to be good
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Man, would a new race suck or what?
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I really don't like the idea of another race. 4 races just seems like a really strange number. 3 is perfect.
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yeah, i dont understand why the illegal characters cannot be used.. anyone know? hmm i will keep my wishes to myself.. as theyre not likely to happen.
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also keep in mind that koreans don't like the number 4 :p
I read somewhere that koreans usually have 3 marines in every bunkers except on occasionnal purpose. Don't ask me why i don't know it's a part of the culture :p
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On December 13 2006 14:49 Kennigit wrote:
1) tasteless to move to korea and start providing english commentary for msl osl and sky proleague
amen brother. I want some funny english commentary besides just crazy people yelling
"DRRRRRROPPPPPPPPP SHIPPPPPUUUUUUUUUUUUU DROOOOOPPPPPPPPPPP SHIPPPPUUUUUUUUUUUU !!!!!!!!"
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3 marines have the same firing animation as 4 so as a deterrant it's just as effective
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well then if everyone knows its just three why dont put in 1 more for the ULTIMATE OWNAGE
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On December 13 2006 16:18 comabreaded wrote:
3 marines have the same firing animation as 4 so as a deterrant it's just as effective
So 3 rines in a bunker, 3 zeals in a shuttle, 3 hydras in an ovie? I'm wondering why they normally have 4 players in an OSL/MSL group. o.o
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On December:48 asel wrote:
7) I want blizzard to kick WGT's ass and start the ladder :/
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On December 13 2006 15:24 Yogurt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2006 15:08 azndsh wrote:
A more user-friendly lower-apm requirement interface
multiple building selection
larger group size
not multiple casting with a group of casters just go play wc3... starcraft is perfect because of the number of things you need to be good
don't mess with the game,mess with the servers/friends list/ladder etc.
i mean it's a disgrace x number of people can't even host a game and requirements are like pentium 133 :D
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Seriously who wants sc2 in 3d form? i think it would be crap, making sc in 3d makes the game slow paced and more boring anyone agree?
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On December 13 2006 16:44 techn1cal wrote:
Seriously who wants sc2 in 3d form? i think it would be crap, making sc in 3d makes the game slow paced and more boring anyone agree?
i think only ppl that disagree are either 2dumb 2play sc:bw or 2young 2understand they don't have time to zoom in their groovie tank and watch it drive across the map or something else and i can't think of it now :D
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Korea (South)11577 Posts
On December 13 2006 16:47 Dendra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2006 16:44 techn1cal wrote:
Seriously who wants sc2 in 3d form? i think it would be crap, making sc in 3d makes the game slow paced and more boring anyone agree? i think only ppl that disagree are either 2dumb 2play sc:bw or 2young 2understand they don't have time to zoom in their groovie tank and watch it drive across the map or something else and i can't think of it now :D
u gotta admit tho, in replays micro battles would be fricken AMAZING with 3d...
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Xel'Naga + Hybrid races ftw....!
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maybe add a new mineral ?
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On December 13 2006 16:25 mrdx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2006 16:18 comabreaded wrote:
3 marines have the same firing animation as 4 so as a deterrant it's just as effective So 3 rines in a bunker, 3 zeals in a shuttle, 3 hydras in an ovie? I'm wondering why they normally have 4 players in an OSL/MSL group. o.o
I think 4 represents death in Korean culture or Chinese culture
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On December 13 2006 15:08 azndsh wrote:
A more user-friendly lower-apm requirement interface
multiple building selection
larger group size
not multiple casting with a group of casters
They did for warcraft. Not sc :c
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United States42649 Posts
I agree with the Tasteless stuff and I'd definitely pay to get onto a hack free server with regular updates, new maps, tourneys organised and prizes. Would be pretty awesome. Rest of it, not really interested. Happy with sc as it is.
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tournies and a ladder is all we need. no gameplay tweaks you crazy bastards
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what's wrong w/ piracy =\
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more complexity more fun is how many many games have signed their own death
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On December 13 2006 18:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
more complexity more fun is how many many games have signed their own death
that is because they think that complexity equates to depth.
it makes me cry.
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if they were going to add a new race they'd already have done that long ago
all i want is all the bs bnet problems to get FIXED
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I agree with tasteless. How great would it be to pay a fee similar to what koreans pay to watch streaming video, but with english commentators. Would there be enough support for that to be economically viable? Still be cool however.
The only thing i want for BW is more gamers!! Every month battle.net seems to contract little by little.
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On December 13 2006 18:50 Teroru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2006 18:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
more complexity more fun is how many many games have signed their own death that is because they think that complexity equates to depth. it makes me cry.
Warhammer expansions, C&C....newer rts's.....o man your right
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Can goons stop having brain freezes two years from now?
The world will never know..... for 2 years.
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On December 13 2006 16:17 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2006 14:49 Kennigit wrote:
1) tasteless to move to korea and start providing english commentary for msl osl and sky proleague amen brother. I want some funny english commentary besides just crazy people yelling "DRRRRRROPPPPPPPPP SHIPPPPPUUUUUUUUUUUUU DROOOOOPPPPPPPPPPP SHIPPPPUUUUUUUUUUUU !!!!!!!!"
I understand you my brother...passionate Korean Commentators are for passionate people like South Koreans...they maybe dont keep up with demanding people like you...probably you want something like...sorry but I cant think of such boring commentaries that you might want...
And about Tasteless...I think he is great in his own way...and yeah it would be nice to have him there...to comment for the people that only knows English...because Tasteless is the best you can get right now in English Starcraft commentating...
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On December 13 2006 18:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: more complexity more fun is how many many games have signed their own death
Tell that to Chess players. Name one strategy game that through evolution to a more complex form died. When a popular game goes through a variation change, if the new variation does not succeed, it always falls back on its original form. I am a vanilla fan too, but Brood War is simply more fun; and one more race would make me dribble.
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On December 13 2006 14:31 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I just fucking want a better Battle.Net interface and fixed pathfinding. Is that so hard? T_T
LOL You'd expect Blizzard would update B.Net after 8 years ... -_-;;; so primitive.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
#Equinox_kr
Check the last 3 patch dates in particular. I don't know if you have noticed the massive lack of bots lately.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2006 09:47 mnm wrote:http://www.mobygames.com/game/starcraft/release-infoApr 23, 1998 - 1.01 patch Aug 24, 1998 - 1.02 patch Oct 14, 1998 - 1.03 patch Dec 17, 1998 - 1.04 patch Mar 15, 1999 - 1.05 patch Sep 30, 1999 - 1.06 patch May 22, 2001 - 1.08b patch Feb 07, 2002 - 1.09 patch Feb 27, 2002 - 1.09b patch Apr 01, 2003 - 1.10 patch Apr 28, 2004 - 1.11 patch Jun 01, 2004 - 1.11b patch Feb 16, 2005 - 1.12 patch (new features, updated maps and bug fixes) Jun 29, 2005 - 1.13 patch Aug 12, 2005 - 1.13b patch Aug 22, 2005 - 1.13c patch Sep 06, 2005 - 1.13d patch Sep 12, 2005 - 1.13e patch Jan 18, 2006 - 1.13f patch Aug 01, 2006 - 1.14 patch (implements ladder, chat and other feature changes, over a dozen bug fixes, and a series of exploit repairs)
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the game itself shouldn't be changed at all, i think it's just the battle.net bugs and simplicity which needs to be worked on.
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a battle.net system like WC3 has =)
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I think i'm to the point where I'd pay a small monthly fee for a b.net system like WC3 has, as well as an additional cost of an expansion just to fix all the bugs.
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somoene stated something like 3 marines in a bunker is the same as 4 rines in bunker. does this mean that 3 rines in a bunker kills 1 zealot the same time it takes 4 marines in a bunker to kill it? im lost...
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On December 13 2006 14:48 asel wrote:
7) I want blizzard to kick WGT's ass and start the ladder :/
It´s other way arround ^^
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Tasteless for English commentator!
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Go watch the vids over in the Project Revolution thread and ask yourselves if that's what you really want for SC2 or the future of Starcraft in general. It's a fast-paced, old-school RTS with manual control over everything. It's what's keeping all the 13-year olds that got bored with WoW out. Is that a good thing? 'cause I think it is. Mastering this game is arguably harder than mastering any other real-time strategy game out there.
The tricky part is getting the smarter, more-versed gamers out there in on the game. And I don't think it'll die just yet. As long as friends see you still playing this (to be) 10-year old game they're bound to ask 'what makes it so special?' Some might overcome their need for "leet" graphics and high resolutions and pick it up and play it once in a while. Maybe more often. But it's pretty difficult to keep communities involved without a ladder everyone can agree on being the best. We need that asap. If not sooner.
Oh yeah, and Tasteless needs to be cloned a few times.
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On December 13 2006 15:08 azndsh wrote:
A more user-friendly lower-apm requirement interface
multiple building selection
larger group size
not multiple casting with a group of casters
Ugh
Go play Warcraft 3. The absence of those things is what makes broodwar such a great game. It makes the game require skill. And rewards those who do have skill.
3. A new race*
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i)adding a new race adds complexity, more complexity more fun, more strategically depth, and it permits to side step the balance issue, once launched the new race can be tweaked, independently, until it is balanced with respect to the other races (without having to mess with the units of the established races).
I disagree. Theres a limit to how many diff unique units there can be in an rts game. And starcraft pretty much covers them all. If you add another race, all of their units are going to be similar to unit of another races. It will be almost impossible to make them unique. Therefore instead of having 3 totally unique races, youll end up with 3 totally unique races and 1 race which is a hybrid of them all.
The lack of uniqueness this would bring is noticable in Warcraft 3. Knights/Tauren/DruidsofClaw/Abomination are extremely similar units. Grunts/Footmen/Ghouls vary only in stats. Balista/Catapult/Mortar/Meat wagon etc
Bascially every race ends up with the same units that are just slightly tweaked and a different look.
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How about add a "around the corner" feature? Like running the units outside of the map and they pop out on the other side of the map? That would be way cool and lots of cool new strategies could be made.
Hmm, maybe I should make one of those maps? ^_^
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On December 13 2006 23:54 Ilvy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2006 14:48 asel wrote:
7) I want blizzard to kick WGT's ass and start the ladder :/ It´s other way arround ^^
Anyway... someone should bleed
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new race = imba game. its is almost teorethically impossible to make balanced game with 4 races and make it totally logical like BW now is...
1. Instead of new race, tweak shitty units (like ghost scout) and BW will get new strategies that will not unbalance the game.
2. Fucking ladder.
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I agree that adding in multiple building selection, etc, will destroy the game, just like adding in right-click rally-point setting destroyed the game. Oh wait...
Sometimes I wish the SC community wasn't so hopelessly conservative.
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On December 13 2006 16:17 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2006 14:49 Kennigit wrote:
1) tasteless to move to korea and start providing english commentary for msl osl and sky proleague amen brother. I want some funny english commentary besides just crazy people yelling "DRRRRRROPPPPPPPPP SHIPPPPPUUUUUUUUUUUUU DROOOOOPPPPPPPPPPP SHIPPPPUUUUUUUUUUUU !!!!!!!!"
A M E N !!!
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if they put in a 3rd race they should make it imba in the beginning to it gets popular, then nerf the hell out of it in later days
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
#phantom You said if they add a third race! - lay of the sake man! (much amused)
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Russian Federation1401 Posts
On December 14 2006 04:09 Tezumai wrote:
How about add a "around the corner" feature? Like running the units outside of the map and they pop out on the other side of the map? That would be way cool and lots of cool new strategies could be made.
Hmm, maybe I should make one of those maps? ^_^
I'd try that! Go maelstrom!
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On December 13 2006 15:08 azndsh wrote:
A more user-friendly lower-apm requirement interface
multiple building selection
larger group size
not multiple casting with a group of casters
That would ruin the game, and make it just like WC3 - BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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United States20661 Posts
On December 14 2006 06:20 gravity wrote:
I agree that adding in multiple building selection, etc, will destroy the game, just like adding in right-click rally-point setting destroyed the game. Oh wait...
Sometimes I wish the SC community wasn't so hopelessly conservative.
This is a good point. Multiple building selection would be OK, I guess - macro wouldn't be as awesome anymore, but it'd be more of a thinking game. However, dumbing down SC micro would be really bad. Auto restoration is one of the few things that would be a maybe.
I like it the way it is, though. really ghetto macro style ftw!
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
update my wish list ~
(just to prove a point with a tard in another forum)
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Entropy engaged in internet drama? Can't be true. Our universe as we know it would cease to exist.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
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