BW General Discussion - Page 88

On December 03 2014 20:11 c3rberUs wrote:
Nah, I think Electric Circuit was quite good. Its maps like Ground Zero, Circuit Breakers, Neo Jade and maybe Empire of the Sun or Sniper Ridge that killed hype.

On December 03 2014 22:15 konadora wrote:

i think electric circuit was a decent map but when it is in the same pool as circuit breaker, jade and sniper ridge.. no.

ground zero was pretty good i think, empire of the sun and sniper ridge are really meh.

i REALLY hope they go back to more interesting maps. i liked mist but.. so far not much news about it or any of the "new" maps that were announced earlier.

On December 03 2014 22:15 konadora wrote:
i think electric circuit was a decent map but when it is in the same pool as circuit breaker, jade and sniper ridge.. no.

ground zero was pretty good i think, empire of the sun and sniper ridge are really meh.

On December 03 2014 15:55 miercat wrote:

The balance discussion is moot, only through lack of perspective:

1) The Korean commentators/players themselves have acknowledged significant imbalances in certain matchups (most notably - ZvT) - not solely dependent on mapmaking.

2)They specifically distinguish between the concept of "balance", and "map making" (implication: the latter is inherently limited in comparison to the former).

3) They specifically state that they are forced to use mapmaking to "balance" matchups, only because they do not have the ability to balance through changing the fundamental elements of the game(only Blizzard can do this).




Prech: Basically about ~10 minutes discussion of SC BW imbalance, particularly ZvT at the time patch 1.08 came out. Old schooler GoRush discussed how he tried Terran at times, while Flash talks about considering a switch to Zerg in the midst of his struggles. Not particularly in-depth, but perhaps of interest


From a probabilistic logical perspective, it is highly unlikely that the perfect patch occurred over 10 years ago, when there was no knowledge of what modern play would look like(and when modern play is so different). And in fact, this is not the case: Yes mapmaking does address some balance concerns(with regards to statistics and otherwise), to some extent, but it does not address more fundamental imbalances which persist in a more general state(e.g. gameplay, and otherwise).

There are fundamental balance optimizations (patches) that would improve the quality of gameplay overall, with or without accompanying changes in mapmaking(or necessarily, statistical references).

On December 03 2014 15:55 miercat wrote:



The balance discussion is moot, only through lack of perspective:

1) The Korean commentators/players themselves have acknowledged significant imbalances in certain matchups (most notably - ZvT) - not solely dependent on mapmaking.

2)They specifically distinguish between the concept of "balance", and "map making"(implication: the latter is inherently limited in comparison to the former).

3) They specifically state that they are forced to use mapmaking to "balance" matchups, only because they do not have the ability to balance through changing the fundamental elements of the game(only Blizzard can do this).



From a probabilistic logical perspective, it is highly unlikely that the perfect patch occurred over 10 years ago, when there was no knowledge of what modern play would look like(and when modern play is so different). And in fact, this is not the case: Yes mapmaking does address some balance concerns(with regards to statistics and otherwise), to some extent, but it does not address more fundamental imbalances which persist in a more general state(e.g. gameplay, and otherwise). There are fundamental balance optimizations (patches) that would improve the quality of gameplay overall, with or without accompanying changes in mapmaking(or necessarily, statistical references).

On December 03 2014 22:50 BisuDagger wrote:

Exactly. Kona, you gotta watch the vods from this: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/LoveTV_Starleague_Season_3_Map_Test_SponLeague

Blitz X being brought back. They must really want Bisu to win more MSLs. Neo Guillotine is pretty sick to. Reminds me of Judgement Day.

On December 04 2014 10:45 icystorage wrote:
there was a monty hall game where the zerg drone drilled to make a hatchery. pretty sneaky shit

now im not entirely sure if it was zerg

On December 04 2014 06:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I probably should know this, but well...
Who is "cbul" on afreeca?
Saw a pretty sick ZvP (Killer vs Cbul) yesterday and i am curious now.
Is there a place where all known accounts are listed?