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NoS-Craig
Australia3123 Posts
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ggsimida
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sdfdfthtureraf
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NoS-Craig
Australia3123 Posts
On January 16 2022 20:18 ggsimida wrote: cult of personality is a scary thing indeed. turns otherwise rational people into mushy fanboys. Am I a mushy fanboy now? ok man damn chill out dude. I just enjoy his casting and stream time to time. wow | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
On January 16 2022 21:22 sdfdfthtureraf wrote: ... The game is older than like a billion humans on this planet and is hard as hell to play, it’s doing alright without Blizzard all things considered (hey that rhymes). It’s already thriving, to the extent it can realistically thrive given its learning curve, age etc. Its vague contemporaries are games like Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, judging it against more modern games is silly, hell even its sequel is 12 years old. And that’s just the foreign scene, never mind the rather healthy outlier that is Korea SC2, or indeed any other game that cannot be played outside of company servers will just immediately die the second those servers are turned off. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3690 Posts
On January 16 2022 13:01 tec27 wrote: To an extent, right? In my opinion it seems like they bring in a lot of viewers that would not otherwise watch BW, but it doesn't seem to translate into those viewers then moving on to consuming content from other streamers/players/creators, supporting tournaments, or playing the game. It often feels to me like Artosis (and Tasteless to an extent as well) are often working towards broadening the appeal of themselves streaming BW, rather than making any real attempt to broaden the appeal of BW. And I mean, fair enough, make your money I guess, I just wish the largest BW streamer on Twitch would make more of an outward effort to support the foreign scene as a whole instead of just increasing their own following. They did go to Korea to provide coverage of the Korean scene to foreigners, and that is what they do to this day. I'd also argue that they do make ppl curious about ASL and other korean events like ACS, so they still do that job. As for foreign scene/events, Artosis participates in BSL, they do mention foreign streamers and I always see them host someone when they're done so it's not like they do nothing. I fail to see what more they should be doing. They promote the game and cover the Korean scene to foreigners. Fine by me. Honestly, Artosis moved to Korea with not enough money to buy a ticket back and pretty much lived with 0 money for a long time. He has dedicated his live to Starcraft and he now gets to play the game he loves in front of thousands to support his wife and kids. Kudos to him. I'd still argue his and Tasteless's massive viewership does more for the exposure of BW to non-koreans than anyone else. | ||
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sdfdfthtureraf
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TMNT
3113 Posts
It's all nice if you can attract more people to the scene, but why spreading ignorance and hatred at the same time? Tasteless literally does the same thing, without resorting to calling people morons and saying "f*** you" every 5 seconds. | ||
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sdfdfthtureraf
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Puosu
6992 Posts
On January 16 2022 18:50 M3t4PhYzX wrote: you're joking, right? I mean.. he's an asset for sure.. but to say he's done so much for the foreign community.. idk, man. A little bit of a stretch. Considering his popularity, he could have done much, MUCH more without really losing anything in the process.. but he doesn't. And that's okay, his choice. But saying he's done some insane amount of work for the community is too much. who are the people you think have done more for the foreigner following of BW?? | ||
KwarK
United States43355 Posts
On January 16 2022 23:47 Puosu wrote: who are the people you think have done more for the foreigner following of BW?? MasterOfChaos, Penguin, the ICCup team, rus_brain to name a few. After blizzard abandoned the game to hackers it was likely to have a very quick death, people literally couldn’t get a fair game online. For many years anti hack tools and private servers were the only thing keeping the game open. That’s not even a “the community” thing, those people were as important to Starcraft as blizzard. Without them we couldn’t have played. More recently rus_brain has put a crazy amount of his own money into foreign tournaments. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4228 Posts
you're so obviously a troll.. lmao please try a bit harder | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4228 Posts
On January 16 2022 23:47 Puosu wrote: who are the people you think have done more for the foreigner following of BW?? "foreigner following of korean BW" or an actual foreign BW scene? because there are PLENTY of people who've done more for the latter, without any doubt. Tbh I wouldn't even put Artosis in the top 15 of the biggest SCene "helpers/influencers". | ||
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bracala
95 Posts
He play game +20 years now and he know everything about it,i dont love his terran playstyle but he know the game! Really dont know why so much people hate him and his way of acting while streaming! Bunch of you here is old ass guys in 30-40 year old and if you find ofended cause someone trash talk to you via video game then you all taking video game and internet too seriously. I play and watch BW 20 years and know enough about game so i can enjoy watch it and love to watch Tasstosis cause they are funny and can make me laugh. If i want to learn game i will watch Jaedong or some other zerg player stream. | ||
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kaboombaby
United States90 Posts
And then there are a decent number streamers that owe their very popularity to growth that was pretty much facilitated by Artosis and his very stream. This just feels like when remastered launched all over again. Hard to interpret some of these posts as anything other than jealousy. People like Artosis and his friends give us very digestible content for casuals and vets to enjoy alike. Noobs generally aren't going to understand or be impressed by the significance of a top tier foreigner stream like Bonyth, they want something interesting beyond gameplay that they have no barometer for understanding. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
A lot of posters also forget that in what, 2011/12, artosis moved to the SCII scene and only came back right at the end of VNSL in 2016 (a bit of controversy about how they re-entered). IMO, these 4-5 years were extremely important to the foreign BW scene surviving because a lot of people left after 2011/2012, so if no one stuck around to keep things going, there would be no scene atm. He only came back once BW has picked up steam and was on the rise (not blaming him for the switch since this is a career for him, just saying there is great value in the work done by those who stuck around). On that note, I feel like Artosis' negativity is likely doing more harm to the scene than some realize. One example is GiantGrantGames or whatever his id was. It is true that he is an SCII streamer who does speed runs, but he was impacted by this. In one of his videos that was taken down, he was talking about how, while he doesn't fault Artosis for the way he streams/handles himself/audience, the negativity has spilled over to his own since he's the #1/2 SC streamer on twitch. He was even discussing the possibility of taking a break from streaming because of this, and what was happening in his real life at that moment. Problem is that some of his viewers will take some of his words at face value and assume they are true, while the reality is that they are misleading or false. Case in point, the post in this thread about that terran complaining about the zerg "just sitting in their base". Personally, I think he's free to stream and do what he likes. He has to make a living after all, so I don't blame him for finding what works and sticking to it. Ideally, he'll keep his BM to his stream rather than BMing his opponents in-game after they pull off a great win due to some strategic play that he deems unworthy. In all, he does bring new viewers to the game, but I am highly doubtful that a lot of them will actually try and keep playing the game if he moves on. Likewise, if artosis moves from BW, most would likely just stop watching because in the end, they are Artosis fans, not BW fans, and that's fine in and of itself. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
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KwarK
United States43355 Posts
There are times when bw tilts the fuck out of me, if I’m exhausted from work or the baby hasn’t let me sleep in days or whatever and I try to play bw I watch myself play like an idiot and it’s frustrating as fuck. I know that I can play well, I’ve seen it, and so when I’m throwing every game out of stupidity I’m just making myself angry. It’s way worse if I’m streaming and there’s some idiot in the chat talking nonsense. On those days I just give up, go for a walk, play some dungeon keeper or Alpha Centauri or whatever. Just chill out in a comfort activity because it’s not a job, it’s recreation, and if it’s not what I want to do I don’t have to do it. Artosis doesn’t have that luxury, bw is his job, he can’t take days off as easily as anyone else. Also he’s got four? kids. I have one and he can fuck up my mood and sleep easily enough. He’s most likely in a non stop sleep deprived frustrated mentally impaired state where he’s just self aware enough to know he’s there which is just about the worst zone to play bw in. Throw into that mix a chat culture that thrives on making him angry and TTS donations intended to trigger him and I honestly don’t know how he even does it. Beyond the obvious, that he literally can’t stop anymore because he’s middle aged with a family to support and no fallback career. That’s commendable but not enviable. Everything about the environment in which he plays bw seems purposefully designed to suck every fun part of the game out. I honestly couldn’t think of a way to make the experience worse for him. There’s no amount of money that would make me change places with him. That’s why I actively avoid fucking with him these days despite the shitty things he did to me. The way he treated me was just a taste of the toxicity that he lives in and I’d rather stay away from all of that. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4228 Posts
On January 17 2022 02:23 BigFan wrote: I think it's fair to say that artosis has had some sort of impact on the foreign BW scene. However, there have been loads of people who have contributed to the scene with money and/or time invested in various roles. Tournaments such as DRTL (past), coach pupil league, BSL, RCG, all those running weeklies etc... A lot of people involved in those have put their fair share of time and effort, and imo, they have done as much, if not potentially more, for the community than Artosis for the simple reason that they are helping the players keep playing the game. A lot of posters also forget that in what, 2011/12, artosis moved to the SCII scene and only came back right at the end of VNSL in 2016 (a bit of controversy about how they re-entered). IMO, these 4-5 years were extremely important to the foreign BW scene surviving because a lot of people left after 2011/2012, so if no one stuck around to keep things going, there would be no scene atm. He only came back once BW has picked up steam and was on the rise (not blaming him for the switch since this is a career for him, just saying there is great value in the work done by those who stuck around). On that note, I feel like Artosis' negativity is likely doing more harm to the scene than some realize. One example is GiantGrantGames or whatever his id was. It is true that he is an SCII streamer who does speed runs, but he was impacted by this. In one of his videos that was taken down, he was talking about how, while he doesn't fault Artosis for the way he streams/handles himself/audience, the negativity has spilled over to his own since he's the #1/2 SC streamer on twitch. He was even discussing the possibility of taking a break from streaming because of this, and what was happening in his real life at that moment. Problem is that some of his viewers will take some of his words at face value and assume they are true, while the reality is that they are misleading or false. Case in point, the post in this thread about that terran complaining about the zerg "just sitting in their base". Personally, I think he's free to stream and do what he likes. He has to make a living after all, so I don't blame him for finding what works and sticking to it. Ideally, he'll keep his BM to his stream rather than BMing his opponents in-game after they pull off a great win due to some strategic play that he deems unworthy. In all, he does bring new viewers to the game, but I am highly doubtful that a lot of them will actually try and keep playing the game if he moves on. Likewise, if artosis moves from BW, most would likely just stop watching because in the end, they are Artosis fans, not BW fans, and that's fine in and of itself. Well put. Thank You. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
There are hundreds of clips showing how he behaves when he's "having a bad day". Please, even on my worst days I'm not that mean to other people, not when people are watching and also not when nobody's watching. I may throw a fit, but I will not go out of my way to actively ruin the fun other people are having (as Artosis does by typing insults to his opponent before quitting a game he lost fairly and squarely). I'm much more likely to blame myself for things. Add to that his astounding overconfidence. He believes he knows when the game is glitching (and coincidentally almost always to his detriment, what a surprise), even when it can be proven a million times that it wasn't a glitch, nor a bug, but the game functioning completely normally. Like he actually believes arbiter recall glitches on occasion. No, it doesn't, Artosis. It never glitches, it has never glitched, you're wrong. I've tested it to be completely sure. Be respectable and take the L when a recall wins protoss a hard-fought game. And that's not the only "glitch" he thinks happens in his games that never actually happened. And if it's not a glitch, then he calls it a broken mechanic. No, Artosis. Arbiter recall is not broken in any way, and there's no big conspiracy against terran players. Recall works just as expected, and it's literally one of the few reasons why protoss can even win any games at all against terran. Artosis also generally loves to rant about how unfair protoss is, and by doing so he's creating a really bad atmopshere around that race. Protoss is not unfair. If Artosis picked it up for real, like if he seriously tried to become good with it like he does with terran, I know he'd start ranting about how unfair zerg is. Probably even about terran, because look all those tanks and spider mines, yeah I can imagine his rants about that. We all know that's exactly what's gonna happen, because everything that goes wrong for Artosis must always be unfair in his world. It can never be his own fault. And that's also the attitude that he teaches to his audience. They blame their own shortcomings on the game, or on other players even. Like Artosis when he blames his own losses on other players' "bad strats". I'm not joking, he seriously believes that he loses games because they play bad. He somehow thinks in his twisted way that he'd win more games if they played more straight up. Like seriously? This guy is unreal. I could go on and on about this. He's said so many things and done so many things. There are really hundreds of these clips out there, you can find them on Youtube if you want to know his true personality. His bad takes even spill over into threads here on tl.net, that's how much of a negative impact he has. | ||
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