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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4091 Posts
January 15 2022 06:19 GMT
#8061
I'm not really sure if I care whether or not this is Artosis' true self. I believe his impact on the BW scene is overall very negative.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25270 Posts
January 15 2022 06:56 GMT
#8062
On January 15 2022 13:25 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i dont believe artosis' stream persona is a persona. its actually him.
it would be incredibly difficult to keep up the 12 yr old raging spoilt brat persona throughout the entirety of the stream and make it as genuine as it is if it were all an act. that level of acting would be too mentally taxing, although it would be very impressive acting skill.

The duality of man.

I only find Arty’s stream tolerable, indeed enhanced because of the other aspects of his personality. If he was like that all the time it would be embarrassing, but he’s been a genial fellow as the voice of many a broadcast for a good ten years for me, hell if his kid pops in he just flips the switch immediately. Met the guy with Tasteless at a Dreamhack many moons ago and he’s a consummate gent.

I might add I mostly only watch compilation clips of him raging, intermittently and his VoDs of when Scan/Nyoken is coaching him, or his ban/unban VoDs. I absolutely couldn’t sit through hours of his actual stream.

@Magic Powars those guys aren’t almost exclusively streaming Brood War, hardly comparable. And Pewds is hardly without controversy.

I don’t know enough about Brood War and Artosis’ role in the wider scene to comment on his legacy there outside of the SC2 era. Net negative would seem to me a bit harsh though
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-15 08:36:07
January 15 2022 08:35 GMT
#8063
in other games i will make it a point to support streamer/youtubers who are more analytical and respectful with their approach over the dramastirrer/toxic/ragey types. also certain game genres tend to attract (and reward) more of the latter than the former for obvious reasons.

prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-15 12:38:36
January 15 2022 12:38 GMT
#8064
Snow - the scarab whisperer !

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183 kills with a single reaver! unbelievable!!




Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
January 15 2022 13:09 GMT
#8065
Artosis stream is the best thing thats happened to foreign BW in a very long time. It attracts far more viewers than any other non korean and most of his viewership is SC2 ppl so it helps spread the good word of BW to others.

Also his streaming persona (yes it is a persona) is very appealing to the broad masses, further increasing his reach. Him and Tasteless are doing gods work to push BW to a non-hardcore audience. Bless them.
initolsa
Profile Joined January 2022
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-15 13:30:20
January 15 2022 13:28 GMT
#8066
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dfgdfgdfgdfgaqrh
Profile Joined January 2022
2 Posts
January 15 2022 14:04 GMT
#8067
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
January 15 2022 14:22 GMT
#8068
That is my point exactly, none of the other foreigners come even close in audience.
Yes they come for Artosis, the guy they know from Sc2. They get exposed to BW.

My mate who hasnt played either starcraft in like a decade found artosis stream so funny he asked to watch some ASL with me and then did some laddering himself in BW.
dfgdfgdfgdfgaqrh
Profile Joined January 2022
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-15 14:27:53
January 15 2022 14:27 GMT
#8069
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-15 14:36:12
January 15 2022 14:34 GMT
#8070
I just told you he watches ASL as well as Artosis stream?

What do you want him to do, watch foreign streamers? Why? If u wanna learn the game you are much better off watch casts, Korean streamers or subbed korean tutorials on youtube.

He adds to the non-korean player pool making it easier for all of us to find games, personally thats about all I want to see from non-koreans
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6985 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-15 15:29:47
January 15 2022 15:29 GMT
#8071
lol there's very very very very few people who have done as much good for foreigner following of BW as Artosis
oiuoiuhhdg
Profile Joined January 2022
1 Post
Last Edited: 2022-01-15 16:28:19
January 15 2022 16:19 GMT
#8072
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hjgjhhvcxxbcvng
Profile Joined January 2022
1 Post
January 15 2022 16:29 GMT
#8073
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Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway691 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-15 19:07:38
January 15 2022 16:49 GMT
#8074
On January 16 2022 01:29 hjgjhhvcxxbcvng wrote:
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On January 16 2022 00:29 Puosu wrote:
lol there's very very very very few people who have done as much good for foreigner following of BW as Artosis

--snip--


I agree with this post, I love this man for what he’s done for the best game in the world. Thanks for your post <3
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10148 Posts
January 15 2022 17:42 GMT
#8075
A person can do both good and harm. I believe that he has been a positive force in the community for some people, and a negative one for others, much like most people who have any sort of impact on the scene.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3698 Posts
January 16 2022 04:01 GMT
#8076
On January 15 2022 22:09 Lorch wrote:
Artosis stream is the best thing thats happened to foreign BW in a very long time. It attracts far more viewers than any other non korean and most of his viewership is SC2 ppl so it helps spread the good word of BW to others.

Also his streaming persona (yes it is a persona) is very appealing to the broad masses, further increasing his reach. Him and Tasteless are doing gods work to push BW to a non-hardcore audience. Bless them.

To an extent, right? In my opinion it seems like they bring in a lot of viewers that would not otherwise watch BW, but it doesn't seem to translate into those viewers then moving on to consuming content from other streamers/players/creators, supporting tournaments, or playing the game. It often feels to me like Artosis (and Tasteless to an extent as well) are often working towards broadening the appeal of themselves streaming BW, rather than making any real attempt to broaden the appeal of BW.

And I mean, fair enough, make your money I guess, I just wish the largest BW streamer on Twitch would make more of an outward effort to support the foreign scene as a whole instead of just increasing their own following.
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10148 Posts
January 16 2022 05:00 GMT
#8077
On January 16 2022 13:01 tec27 wrote:
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On January 15 2022 22:09 Lorch wrote:
Artosis stream is the best thing thats happened to foreign BW in a very long time. It attracts far more viewers than any other non korean and most of his viewership is SC2 ppl so it helps spread the good word of BW to others.

Also his streaming persona (yes it is a persona) is very appealing to the broad masses, further increasing his reach. Him and Tasteless are doing gods work to push BW to a non-hardcore audience. Bless them.

To an extent, right? In my opinion it seems like they bring in a lot of viewers that would not otherwise watch BW, but it doesn't seem to translate into those viewers then moving on to consuming content from other streamers/players/creators, supporting tournaments, or playing the game. It often feels to me like Artosis (and Tasteless to an extent as well) are often working towards broadening the appeal of themselves streaming BW, rather than making any real attempt to broaden the appeal of BW.

And I mean, fair enough, make your money I guess, I just wish the largest BW streamer on Twitch would make more of an outward effort to support the foreign scene as a whole instead of just increasing their own following.

To be absolutely fair, The Pylon Show did (does?) a lot of cross-promotion of other events, leagues, and etc. - even without the organizers requesting it. When I hosted an event about 2 years ago, Artosis discussed it during the broadcast, without my having ever contacted him about it (and I doubt anyone did it on my behalf). I believe the same occurred later on both through TL and The Pylon Show for another event.

So, credit where credit is due, at least outside of his own stream he does promote others in the community, or at the very least he certainly did in the past - no matter how big or small.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4194 Posts
January 16 2022 09:48 GMT
#8078
On January 16 2022 13:01 tec27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2022 22:09 Lorch wrote:
Artosis stream is the best thing thats happened to foreign BW in a very long time. It attracts far more viewers than any other non korean and most of his viewership is SC2 ppl so it helps spread the good word of BW to others.

Also his streaming persona (yes it is a persona) is very appealing to the broad masses, further increasing his reach. Him and Tasteless are doing gods work to push BW to a non-hardcore audience. Bless them.

To an extent, right? In my opinion it seems like they bring in a lot of viewers that would not otherwise watch BW, but it doesn't seem to translate into those viewers then moving on to consuming content from other streamers/players/creators, supporting tournaments, or playing the game. It often feels to me like Artosis (and Tasteless to an extent as well) are often working towards broadening the appeal of themselves streaming BW, rather than making any real attempt to broaden the appeal of BW.

And I mean, fair enough, make your money I guess, I just wish the largest BW streamer on Twitch would make more of an outward effort to support the foreign scene as a whole instead of just increasing their own following.

This I 100% agree with. My perspective exactly.

As for Artosis acting or not.. I think it's half and half. I think it's really him underneath (the constant balance whine) but he also spices it up a lot to make more money and entertain the audience.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
sophisticated
Profile Joined October 2021
58 Posts
January 16 2022 09:49 GMT
#8079
On January 16 2022 00:29 Puosu wrote:
lol there's very very very very few people who have done as much good for foreigner following of BW as Artosis


There's also nobody who got as filthy rich in the process and a whole bunch of people who pour their heart and soul into this game without receiving any compensation worth mentioning for their work, unlike Artosis who I'd wager would mostly disappear the instant this gig stopped paying his bills.
Simple example, Scan and Nyoken didn't need a patreon community to pay them 12 000 $/month in order to produce quality casts for an entire season of ASL.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-16 09:53:23
January 16 2022 09:50 GMT
#8080
On January 16 2022 00:29 Puosu wrote:
lol there's very very very very few people who have done as much good for foreigner following of BW as Artosis

you're joking, right?

I mean.. he's an asset for sure.. but to say he's done so much for the foreign community.. idk, man. A little bit of a stretch.
Considering his popularity, he could have done much, MUCH more without really losing anything in the process.. but he doesn't. And that's okay, his choice. But saying he's done some insane amount of work for the community is too much.
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