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MisterBoba
Profile Joined January 2020
Russian Federation121 Posts
March 08 2020 19:02 GMT
#6581
When I play ladder, my head instant go to shit.
Terran who sit on ass, do absolute NOTHING, get 2-1 and attack and win vs 5 base P are killing my soul.
Zerg who sit on ass, do absolute NOTHING, get lurker, are killing my soul.
Does anyone else have this soul kill by these thing?
If enjoyed way you spend time, then it was not waste time )
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
March 09 2020 00:43 GMT
#6582
well theyre clearly doing something to beat you like that every time. maybe youre the one doing nothing lol
Forcewater
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
March 09 2020 00:50 GMT
#6583
why can't these stupid camping noobs play a real game and amove into my cannons
"Reddit on the other hand has always just been a box full of retarded blind puppies licking and sniffing everything they come in contact with and leaving it moist and oily" - Gamegene
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
March 09 2020 02:32 GMT
#6584
On March 09 2020 09:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:
well theyre clearly doing something to beat you like that every time. maybe youre the one doing nothing lol


Lol
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10251 Posts
March 09 2020 03:01 GMT
#6585
Work on your mentality, because it sounds like you're not giving credit to your opponents.

If it's so easy, why don't you try to do nothing and beat a player at your level? Should be ezpz. Good luck on your Terran and Zerg accounts. Maybe if you try, you will see it from their POV and notice the difficulties, which can in turn help you abuse that.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
MisterBoba
Profile Joined January 2020
Russian Federation121 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-09 04:43:24
March 09 2020 04:38 GMT
#6586
On March 09 2020 09:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:
well theyre clearly doing something to beat you like that every time. maybe youre the one doing nothing lol

Clearly I am less intelligent they make good strategic play better than my. This is obvious whenever I lose. Yes very obvious my friend. I must be retard or something? Because I pick this race :D

But, good health to you

@Jealous, is not mentality. I learn this phrase "tongue in cheek" I believe is relevant here, you know?
edit: Sorry I know there is a barrier with my language + text on internet hard to communicate lightheart banter, I am never serious my friend :D
If enjoyed way you spend time, then it was not waste time )
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1240 Posts
March 09 2020 08:34 GMT
#6587
On March 02 2020 03:06 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2020 02:51 oxKnu wrote:
Yeah, I saw the Larva games. They were awesome.

For those TL-savy, can anyone add his stream to the official list? He's better than some of the regulars on the list.


I've made a request.
Thank you for the suggestion & providing the stream link.


Thanks a lot for that.

However it seems like it didn't come through on the site?
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10251 Posts
March 09 2020 11:12 GMT
#6588
On March 09 2020 13:38 MisterBoba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2020 09:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:
well theyre clearly doing something to beat you like that every time. maybe youre the one doing nothing lol

Clearly I am less intelligent they make good strategic play better than my. This is obvious whenever I lose. Yes very obvious my friend. I must be retard or something? Because I pick this race :D

But, good health to you

@Jealous, is not mentality. I learn this phrase "tongue in cheek" I believe is relevant here, you know?
edit: Sorry I know there is a barrier with my language + text on internet hard to communicate lightheart banter, I am never serious my friend :D

There is also the phrase "beneath every joke there lies a spark of truth." I think that you were venting real frustrations in a joking manner. "When I play ladder, my head instant go to shit" doesn't sound like a joke to me
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
MisterBoba
Profile Joined January 2020
Russian Federation121 Posts
March 09 2020 14:23 GMT
#6589
On March 09 2020 20:12 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2020 13:38 MisterBoba wrote:
On March 09 2020 09:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:
well theyre clearly doing something to beat you like that every time. maybe youre the one doing nothing lol

Clearly I am less intelligent they make good strategic play better than my. This is obvious whenever I lose. Yes very obvious my friend. I must be retard or something? Because I pick this race :D

But, good health to you

@Jealous, is not mentality. I learn this phrase "tongue in cheek" I believe is relevant here, you know?
edit: Sorry I know there is a barrier with my language + text on internet hard to communicate lightheart banter, I am never serious my friend :D

There is also the phrase "beneath every joke there lies a spark of truth." I think that you were venting real frustrations in a joking manner. "When I play ladder, my head instant go to shit" doesn't sound like a joke to me

Well yes because T sit on ass... Sometimes do not even Vulture harass.
If enjoyed way you spend time, then it was not waste time )
oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2934 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-09 23:30:31
March 09 2020 23:16 GMT
#6590
Eh, its a real problem nonetheless. TvP and ZvP are really mapped out for the Terran and Zerg in terms of builds, and there definitely comes a point in terms of your rating when you start running into comatose players who do literally nothing but follow a build order. These games aren't fun at all, and it really tests your ability to either pull off some amazing multitasking/micro or somehow maintain winning chances in a late game that will be harder for you to play than your opponent.

Terran almost never has to go aggressive until they have a deathball, zerg can flood you with cheap units that scale really well with upgrades and never mine out a base, and you're playing a reactive race where you have to make decisions rather than play off of a build scribbled in a notebook like Artosis (bless his heart).

All this been said, if you keep your wits and don't let these guys turn you into a monkey who will inevitably throw the game you can probably find a way to capitalize off of your opponents passive play.
Fuck KeSPA.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10251 Posts
March 10 2020 01:12 GMT
#6591
Y'all bunch of whiners are a disgrace to the Protoss.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1444 Posts
March 10 2020 03:09 GMT
#6592
^

On March 10 2020 08:16 oshibori_probe wrote:
Eh, its a real problem nonetheless. TvP and ZvP are really mapped out for the Terran and Zerg in terms of builds, and there definitely comes a point in terms of your rating when you start running into comatose players who do literally nothing but follow a build order. These games aren't fun at all, and it really tests your ability to either pull off some amazing multitasking/micro or somehow maintain winning chances in a late game that will be harder for you to play than your opponent.

Terran almost never has to go aggressive until they have a deathball, zerg can flood you with cheap units that scale really well with upgrades and never mine out a base, and you're playing a reactive race where you have to make decisions rather than play off of a build scribbled in a notebook like Artosis (bless his heart).

All this been said, if you keep your wits and don't let these guys turn you into a monkey who will inevitably throw the game you can probably find a way to capitalize off of your opponents passive play.


LMAO
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
March 10 2020 04:18 GMT
#6593
turtle zerg is hard to play vs, dont worry even progamer p's struggle against it (even bisu)

ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
MisterBoba
Profile Joined January 2020
Russian Federation121 Posts
March 10 2020 06:58 GMT
#6594
How do custom ramp look so NICE now?

On map like escalade or 3 o clock neo sylphid the ramp look so legit. I remember how blocky they was before remastered. What happened? Mapmakers just find nicer tile that fit together?
If enjoyed way you spend time, then it was not waste time )
MisterBoba
Profile Joined January 2020
Russian Federation121 Posts
March 10 2020 06:59 GMT
#6595
On March 10 2020 12:09 Highgamer wrote:
^

Show nested quote +
On March 10 2020 08:16 oshibori_probe wrote:
Eh, its a real problem nonetheless. TvP and ZvP are really mapped out for the Terran and Zerg in terms of builds, and there definitely comes a point in terms of your rating when you start running into comatose players who do literally nothing but follow a build order. These games aren't fun at all, and it really tests your ability to either pull off some amazing multitasking/micro or somehow maintain winning chances in a late game that will be harder for you to play than your opponent.

Terran almost never has to go aggressive until they have a deathball, zerg can flood you with cheap units that scale really well with upgrades and never mine out a base, and you're playing a reactive race where you have to make decisions rather than play off of a build scribbled in a notebook like Artosis (bless his heart).

All this been said, if you keep your wits and don't let these guys turn you into a monkey who will inevitably throw the game you can probably find a way to capitalize off of your opponents passive play.


LMAO

I don't see any funny in this.
If enjoyed way you spend time, then it was not waste time )
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
March 10 2020 07:10 GMT
#6596
i think highgamer is laughing at the implication that protoss has an inferior late game to both terran and zergs. highgamer would be justified in his laughter because its straight up bullshit that protoss cant do anything against terrans and zergs that turtle.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
March 10 2020 09:03 GMT
#6597
On March 10 2020 16:10 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i think highgamer is laughing at the implication that protoss has an inferior late game to both terran and zergs. highgamer would be justified in his laughter because its straight up bullshit that protoss cant do anything against terrans and zergs that turtle.


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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-10 09:57:07
March 10 2020 09:56 GMT
#6598
The funny thing is Protoss players can get so far without Psi Storm that they never trained the same "you must be able to use this as if your life depended on it" muscles around PvT Psi Storm as Terran or Zerg do for the hardest to manage parts of their arsenals.

Protoss can legitimately win up to pro level (and even at pro level excepting Flash and maybe 2-4 other Terran players depending on the month) by being able to contain their whole army in hotkeys, and without worrying about stuff like laying mines without self own or accidental siege up at the wrong spot. And Protoss can literally build 20+ Gateways at multiple bases with Dragoon and Zealot even having equal build times to make that part of macro even easier.

Because of all that, instead of having trained with Psi Storm from amateur level, it tends to get incorporated only when needed (e.g. against the very best T in the entire world).

Thus, Protoss players are way worse at using Psi Storm in late game PvT than they should be. Jangbi showed that P can be nearly unstoppable if they train their Psi Storm usage to the extent Terrans practice managing their death ball or Zerg practices managing way more units that can be hotkeyed.

Instead Protoss late game skill consists of moving around a bunch of units that are fast and can all be hotkeyed, plus properly using the ridiculously strong spells of a 350 HP (Arbiter) FLYING unit, plus making sure to have some Observers (an invisible flying unit haha) around.

It's insane that a spell as strong (and even totally tech tree compatible given Arbiters) as Psi Storm isn't even mandatory for every PvT. Does any other race leave something that powerful off the table in half its games just because it might be fragile (as if Shuttle dropping HTs is that fragile composted to how fragile everything is in BW)?
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1240 Posts
March 10 2020 14:41 GMT
#6599
On March 10 2020 18:56 darktreb wrote:
The funny thing is Protoss players can get so far without Psi Storm that they never trained the same "you must be able to use this as if your life depended on it" muscles around PvT Psi Storm as Terran or Zerg do for the hardest to manage parts of their arsenals.

Protoss can legitimately win up to pro level (and even at pro level excepting Flash and maybe 2-4 other Terran players depending on the month) by being able to contain their whole army in hotkeys, and without worrying about stuff like laying mines without self own or accidental siege up at the wrong spot. And Protoss can literally build 20+ Gateways at multiple bases with Dragoon and Zealot even having equal build times to make that part of macro even easier.

Because of all that, instead of having trained with Psi Storm from amateur level, it tends to get incorporated only when needed (e.g. against the very best T in the entire world).

Thus, Protoss players are way worse at using Psi Storm in late game PvT than they should be. Jangbi showed that P can be nearly unstoppable if they train their Psi Storm usage to the extent Terrans practice managing their death ball or Zerg practices managing way more units that can be hotkeyed.

Instead Protoss late game skill consists of moving around a bunch of units that are fast and can all be hotkeyed, plus properly using the ridiculously strong spells of a 350 HP (Arbiter) FLYING unit, plus making sure to have some Observers (an invisible flying unit haha) around.

It's insane that a spell as strong (and even totally tech tree compatible given Arbiters) as Psi Storm isn't even mandatory for every PvT. Does any other race leave something that powerful off the table in half its games just because it might be fragile (as if Shuttle dropping HTs is that fragile composted to how fragile everything is in BW)?


Same reason why Ghosts are not the auto-strat against Carriers: it's really hard to pull off, mechanically.

In the end, economy of actions is a thing that matters at all stages of the game and in the strategic side of things as well.
ArmadA[NaS]
Profile Joined January 2014
United States347 Posts
March 10 2020 16:40 GMT
#6600
I just checked recent replays from Rain, Bisu and Mini and they all got storm usually as their last upgrade in long PvT games. There are builds that aim to bust terran before 2-1 that skip storm but I think you'll be hard pressed to find a high economy pro game >20 minutes long were storm isn't upgraded.
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