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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
June 01 2013 03:05 GMT
#361
I don't use hotkeys, so I don't care. All I want is that BGH 4 on 4 24 hours a day.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 01 2013 03:11 GMT
#362
On June 01 2013 12:04 icystorage wrote:
Kiante's point is acutally legit. As a terran player, miss-hitting i for mines or o for siege would most likely determine the fate of battle, that split second you are wondering why your tanks didnt siege and found out you were pressing i all along and have to look at the keyboard might cost yout the game

Pressing the wrong key on the piano is equally fatal.

Hell, having all the hotkeys on one side of the map doesn't solve this problem anyways.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
June 01 2013 03:14 GMT
#363
yes, but learning to use them is part of what makes broodwar awesome. once i learned to use 890p effectively my protoss play improved. why would you want to remove that
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Wuiph
Profile Joined October 2011
Austria28 Posts
June 01 2013 03:19 GMT
#364
On June 01 2013 12:14 Kiante wrote:
yes, but learning to use them is part of what makes broodwar awesome. once i learned to use 890p effectively my protoss play improved. why would you want to remove that


I am sorry, but an analogy that comes to my mind would be that you are better at studying because you don't feel uncomfortable with a too low chair anymore...
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 01 2013 03:24 GMT
#365
On June 01 2013 12:19 Wuiph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 12:14 Kiante wrote:
yes, but learning to use them is part of what makes broodwar awesome. once i learned to use 890p effectively my protoss play improved. why would you want to remove that


I am sorry, but an analogy that comes to my mind would be that you are better at studying because you don't feel uncomfortable with a too low chair anymore...

If you can't deal with a small change in circumstance like that, sooner or later you'll run into trouble.
It helps to be flexible.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 01 2013 03:39 GMT
#366
On June 01 2013 12:24 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 12:19 Wuiph wrote:
On June 01 2013 12:14 Kiante wrote:
yes, but learning to use them is part of what makes broodwar awesome. once i learned to use 890p effectively my protoss play improved. why would you want to remove that


I am sorry, but an analogy that comes to my mind would be that you are better at studying because you don't feel uncomfortable with a too low chair anymore...

If you can't deal with a small change in circumstance like that, sooner or later you'll run into trouble.
It helps to be flexible.


Besides, if it really inconveniences you that much, you can easily remap your own keyboard by yourself.
blueblimp
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada297 Posts
June 01 2013 04:10 GMT
#367
Having an in-game timer is arguably a similar or bigger advantage to remapping hotkeys, and that's legal on fish. So, whatever. IMO, just make the server good, and then decide later which plug-ins to whitelist.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 01 2013 07:12 GMT
#368
On June 01 2013 12:19 Wuiph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 12:14 Kiante wrote:
yes, but learning to use them is part of what makes broodwar awesome. once i learned to use 890p effectively my protoss play improved. why would you want to remove that


I am sorry, but an analogy that comes to my mind would be that you are better at studying because you don't feel uncomfortable with a too low chair anymore...


That's a terrible analogy because a chair isn't even necessary to study, whereas the keyboard is completely necessary to play StarCraft against people. Additionally, remapping the keyboard means nothing to a casual gamer or a beginner because they don't understand how important the keyboard is while playing unless they have some prior experience with another RTS like SC2 or WC3. However, for the millions and millions of people who have played StarCraft, I don't think the fundamentals of control reduce the accessibility of the game, or will significantly alter the overall skill of any particular player.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Wuiph
Profile Joined October 2011
Austria28 Posts
June 01 2013 08:37 GMT
#369
I just don't get it. Remapping the keyboard via 3rd party is ok, while it is a horrible idea to include this feature into some kind of launcher to make it easier for newcomers to get going? We are still discussing about a new server that has a lot of good features to attract many people, meaning the foreigner community will not split, right?
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
June 01 2013 10:15 GMT
#370
On June 01 2013 17:37 Wuiph wrote:
I just don't get it. Remapping the keyboard via 3rd party is ok, while it is a horrible idea to include this feature into some kind of launcher to make it easier for newcomers to get going? We are still discussing about a new server that has a lot of good features to attract many people, meaning the foreigner community will not split, right?

Given the amount of controversy over changing it, I can pretty much guarantee it won't be in the launcher. If you want to remap your hotkeys you can do that yourself.
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Poetic[AoV]
Profile Joined November 2009
United Kingdom183 Posts
June 03 2013 08:11 GMT
#371
Keep Iccup, other servers will fragment the community and all the people who do not check TL will not know about them. Good intentions, but such a bad idea.
invisible.terran
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States280 Posts
June 03 2013 09:22 GMT
#372
On June 03 2013 17:11 Poetic[AoV] wrote:
Keep Iccup, other servers will fragment the community and all the people who do not check TL will not know about them. Good intentions, but such a bad idea.

IMO, there's only an insignificant amount of people that still plays BW without checking TL. The possible features however are much much better than what Iccup has to offer.
"Until the very very top, in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in, the only problem is most people cant work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they dont have a real passion for." - Idra
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
June 03 2013 10:18 GMT
#373
On June 03 2013 18:22 invisible.terran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 17:11 Poetic[AoV] wrote:
Keep Iccup, other servers will fragment the community and all the people who do not check TL will not know about them. Good intentions, but such a bad idea.

IMO, there's only an insignificant amount of people that still plays BW without checking TL. The possible features however are much much better than what Iccup has to offer.

Considering how many people from Peru I've played on Iccup recently and even more from Russia and considering that at least several of them didn't seem to be know any English beyond the very basics, I'd say there is a good chance that there are still significant bw communities that do not visit TL.
sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
June 03 2013 16:43 GMT
#374
Key remapping is the one thing I would be most okay with, because for someone with small hands it can be much more of a physical barrier than learning how to use multiple control groups, for instance. Then again as some have pointed out it can be done with third party software, but then you couldn't type in game.
"Dude, just don't listen to what I say; listen to what I mean." -Sean Plott
Nightsz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 17:40:12
June 03 2013 17:39 GMT
#375
Yeah, as previously mentioned. Its possible to remap keys via. 3rd party programs. But SOME people prefer not to make changes to their registry every single time just so they can have an easier time playing broodwar
xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
June 03 2013 17:58 GMT
#376
On June 04 2013 02:39 Nightsz wrote:
Yeah, as previously mentioned. Its possible to remap keys via. 3rd party programs. But SOME people prefer not to make changes to their registry every single time just so they can have an easier time playing broodwar

You could always make a batch file that does it.
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 03 2013 18:33 GMT
#377
I just don't get it. Remapping the keyboard via 3rd party is ok, while it is a horrible idea to include this feature into some kind of launcher to make it easier for newcomers to get going?

I don't follow the logic. How does remapping the keyboard make it easier for newcomers? It just adds another thing you have to think carefully about before you can start playing if you want to practice what you will end up using when you get better. The way it is by default, the hotkeys are the first or second letter of the unit you want to build, which is easier for new players to learn. For veteran players, it'll just be really annoying to have to retrain your muscle memory to a more optimal setup. The only person it appeals to is the person who doesn't like one or two hotkeys and wants to change them, but even for that person it won't be satisfying because now it will become standard to have to think about all sub-optimal hotkeys, including the ones you were okay with. It just feels like lose-lose all around for something that is totally meta. Having standardized controls for all users across all servers (even if different languages of StarCraft have different keys), makes things way easier. None of the keys are really obnoxious to hit, you will have to learn the muscle memory whether you remap the key or not, so you might as well learn keys you can use anywhere.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 18:35:10
June 03 2013 18:33 GMT
#378
I'm not a big fan of hotkey mapping because I feel like you should learn to play the game the way Blizzard made it. You overcome this problem of having to move your hands all over the place through practice and I do feel like I'm improved a lot more since I started playing BW so ya, I'm against it lol. That and offline tourneys don't allow it so you might as well get used to the normal hotkeys that came with the game. Also, please avoid smart-casting, unlimited unit selection, etc... otherwise might as well play SCII for that lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 03 2013 18:44 GMT
#379
Why are the BW hotkeys a problem in the first place?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
CoughingHydra
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
177 Posts
June 03 2013 18:55 GMT
#380
I'd rephrase the question to: would you mind your opponent playing with different(easier) hotkeys?
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