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Mr.Testie
Profile Joined February 2006
973 Posts
May 27 2006 22:55 GMT
#121
T_T_T_T
nononononononoo
Building gate earlier on money map is bad bad bad and should never ever ever happen.
I was saying people who do the cancelling probe strategy of 9/10 on it.. (it's rare but i've seen it done by very good players) were completely amiss that this was terrible on it. The minute you start cancelling probes on BGH vs a top bgher, you've lost.
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-28 02:05:12
May 27 2006 23:05 GMT
#122
On May 28 2006 07:55 Mr.Testie wrote:
T_T_T_T
nononononononoo
Building gate earlier on money map is bad bad bad and should never ever ever happen.
I was saying people who do the cancelling probe strategy of 9/10 on it.. (it's rare but i've seen it done by very good players) were completely amiss that this was terrible on it. The minute you start cancelling probes on BGH vs a top bgher, you've lost.

Haha, my bad testie.
I read too much into your post. : )

P.S.
Could you post some BGH replays (of you), you know, so I can learn more.
racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-27 23:09:07
May 27 2006 23:08 GMT
#123
whenever I bgh I build a wall with 2 nexuses and pump probes
when they really get to know you they will run
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
May 27 2006 23:11 GMT
#124
On May 28 2006 08:08 racebannon wrote:
whenever I bgh I build a wall with 2 nexuses and pump probes

I've thought about this before... maybe I should try it. Hell, anything will work against pubbies, might as well be creative.
no.1
Profile Joined March 2004
516 Posts
May 27 2006 23:44 GMT
#125
since many bgh'ers discoverd brood war kor-asia where players like nada, reach are playing too, the micro skill increased tremendously. and vs a decent bgh player ur '' whenever i bgh i build a wall with 2 nexuses and pump probes '' strat would develop itself to a 3 min win ( not for u ).
www.ygosu.com
racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
May 28 2006 00:08 GMT
#126
well obviously those BGH'ers who practiced exclusively with both reach and nada in ASIAN BROOD WAR CHANNELS would beat me I mean come on now.
when they really get to know you they will run
Xeroth
Profile Joined July 2005
United States432 Posts
May 28 2006 00:25 GMT
#127
So, I watched the reps of those hDn players, and I was confused.

Everyone was talking about how the build orders were dramatically different from anything low-money maps had ever seen on high level BGH games. But they look pretty much exactly the same as the build orders for The Hunters (bgh's low money counterpart), with a few more gates in the mid game.

It's still protoss-based, still zealot micro in the middle based at the beginning, and still shifts towards 3+ gate macro in the mid game, with 1 person per team teching, and often 1 player getting dt in the mid-late game.

I didn't really see anything new in the 5 reps I watched (hDn v oib x3, hDn v nasa x2).
Everyones favorite hick.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
May 28 2006 00:38 GMT
#128
On May 27 2006 16:18 SunAndMooN wrote:
It is funny how it came to this tho... knowing that this discussion started with "any decent lowmoneymap player could beat any BGH-gamer"... and now suddenly it is talk about the honor of communities. And it is NOT ordinary lowmoneymap-gamers that are gonna show off their skills... nope... bringing in Testie to prove their point. The thing is.. IF Testie play... u still havent proved a thing. Becos Testie is NOT just a decent ordinary gamer... he is a very good gamer that has nothing to do with what this was all about. The discussion did NOT start with "some very good gamers could for sure beat BGH-gamers on BGH". But whatever makes u happy... Just make it good games and give the rest of us "noobs" reps to enjoy


They will not be playing versus any BGHer, they will be playing aginst the best of them, so what are you talking about?
If we talk about random BGHers, then you could just as well use for proof my 8 wins in a row 1v3, with the absolutely the same tactic - block entrance with gate/forge and some cannons, reaver drop, mass carriers, althought in most cases 2 of 3 lost all their workers, before realising what happened. They were able to beat me only in the 9th game, because I agreed to play 1v4.
I'll call Nada.
racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
May 28 2006 00:48 GMT
#129
On May 28 2006 09:25 Xeroth wrote:
So, I watched the reps of those hDn players, and I was confused.

Everyone was talking about how the build orders were dramatically different from anything low-money maps had ever seen on high level BGH games. But they look pretty much exactly the same as the build orders for The Hunters (bgh's low money counterpart), with a few more gates in the mid game.

It's still protoss-based, still zealot micro in the middle based at the beginning, and still shifts towards 3+ gate macro in the mid game, with 1 person per team teching, and often 1 player getting dt in the mid-late game.

I didn't really see anything new in the 5 reps I watched (hDn v oib x3, hDn v nasa x2).


yeah I just watched a couple. These "pro BGH" games have a fraction of the strategical depth of regular BW.

if everyone playing the same race and using the same build is entertaining to you, have fun with that. It looks pretty fucking retarded to me though.

To each their own, but I choose variety over the exact same game in and out. But if pressing Z on your gateways is fun to you roll with it
when they really get to know you they will run
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
May 28 2006 00:50 GMT
#130
On May 28 2006 09:38 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2006 16:18 SunAndMooN wrote:
It is funny how it came to this tho... knowing that this discussion started with "any decent lowmoneymap player could beat any BGH-gamer"... and now suddenly it is talk about the honor of communities. And it is NOT ordinary lowmoneymap-gamers that are gonna show off their skills... nope... bringing in Testie to prove their point. The thing is.. IF Testie play... u still havent proved a thing. Becos Testie is NOT just a decent ordinary gamer... he is a very good gamer that has nothing to do with what this was all about. The discussion did NOT start with "some very good gamers could for sure beat BGH-gamers on BGH". But whatever makes u happy... Just make it good games and give the rest of us "noobs" reps to enjoy

one time i beat comps 1v7 using ONLY probes omafgad;gja

They will not be playing versus any BGHer, they will be playing aginst the best of them, so what are you talking about?
If we talk about random BGHers, then you could just as well use for proof my 8 wins in a row 1v3, with the absolutely the same tactic - block entrance with gate/forge and some cannons, reaver drop, mass carriers, althought in most cases 2 of 3 lost all their workers, before realising what happened. They were able to beat me only in the 9th game, because I agreed to play 1v4.
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poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-28 00:57:19
May 28 2006 00:51 GMT
#131
just be protoss and mass statsis + dweb + storm ftw

hell, you'll even make pimpest play 2006 that way
How do you mine minerals?
no.1
Profile Joined March 2004
516 Posts
May 28 2006 00:58 GMT
#132
it is said that testie counts to the best low players in europe (us/can included).. so it will be 'best' low vs 'best' bgh'ers
www.ygosu.com
SF-Fork
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Russian Federation1401 Posts
May 28 2006 01:06 GMT
#133
http://sc.gosugamers.net/match.php?id=3059
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
May 28 2006 01:46 GMT
#134
On May 28 2006 09:58 no.1 wrote:
it is said that testie counts to the best low players in europe (us/can included).. so it will be 'best' low vs 'best' bgh'ers

When you say "low" you mean his macro/micro/tactics aren't on par with top players, or what? Labeling testie as a "low" player says almost nothing. You have to be more specific and clear.
CoralReefer
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada2069 Posts
May 28 2006 01:55 GMT
#135
On May 28 2006 10:46 gokai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2006 09:58 no.1 wrote:
it is said that testie counts to the best low players in europe (us/can included).. so it will be 'best' low vs 'best' bgh'ers

When you say "low" you mean his macro/micro/tactics aren't on par with top players, or what? Labeling testie as a "low" player says almost nothing. You have to be more specific and clear.


low money.
And this hot potato has vanished into thin air.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
May 28 2006 01:57 GMT
#136
Isn't this showmatch taking place today? Can someone link me?
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
May 28 2006 02:02 GMT
#137
On May 28 2006 10:55 ml1710 wrote:
low money.

K, thanks for clearing it up.
Jin
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Canada439 Posts
May 28 2006 02:38 GMT
#138
So the teams for this showmatch are templargoon + S.o)Drex + Testie vs hDn. ?

I predict hDn wins 3-0 because I don't think templargoon or S.o)Drex has any clue how to play team BGH.
^-^v
Mr.Testie
Profile Joined February 2006
973 Posts
May 28 2006 02:45 GMT
#139
Eh?
I am not playin with those newblettes.
I meant in 1v1.
;o
Grumel
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany88 Posts
May 28 2006 02:58 GMT
#140
No good bgh player plays 1on1 bgh. Thats left to people like me that love canons and carrier.

This 1on1 bgh fixed map is normaly used to train 3on3, with a lot of regulations like no dark templer and canons simple makro/mikro training.
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