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Starcraft Broodwar with SC2 Unit Audio

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elmerpogs
Profile Joined August 2011
Philippines441 Posts
November 08 2012 07:50 GMT
#1
I remember watching aaF.cat's broodwar stream playing broodwar (coz now he's playing LOL) with this starcraft2 unit audios. I've been searching the web if there's any mod/ utility available but results are frustrating.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28092 Posts
November 08 2012 08:07 GMT
#2
Try pming him on TL.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11368 Posts
November 08 2012 08:10 GMT
#3
...does not compute.
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Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
November 08 2012 08:32 GMT
#4
I'd feel like SC2 with SC1 audio would be so much more orgasmic to the ears.
Jaedong plz
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 08 2012 08:35 GMT
#5
On November 08 2012 17:32 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
I'd feel like SC2 with SC1 audio would be so much more orgasmic to the ears.

ultralisks sound like such giant pussies in sc2 in bw they were so manly D:
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
November 08 2012 08:38 GMT
#6
On November 08 2012 16:50 elmerpogs wrote:
I remember watching aaF.cat's broodwar stream playing broodwar (coz now he's playing LOL) with this starcraft2 unit audios. I've been searching the web if there's any mod/ utility available but results are frustrating.


no offense, but i would never do that. To me BW sounds and music are so much more iconic and fitting.
Broodwar for life!
elmerpogs
Profile Joined August 2011
Philippines441 Posts
November 08 2012 08:47 GMT
#7
Im not a fan of SC2 and Ive never played it even once.BTW im managing a cybercafe and I use to play BW LAN everyday with my friends. I just want my copy unique and BW with SC2 unit audio is cool for me. It must be aaf.Cat's breakthrough in modding the audio since googling it displays no specific result.

BW Fighting!
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Zombo Joe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada850 Posts
November 08 2012 09:10 GMT
#8
I imagine it would sound really funky.
I am Terranfying.
Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
November 08 2012 09:23 GMT
#9
On November 08 2012 17:35 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 17:32 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
I'd feel like SC2 with SC1 audio would be so much more orgasmic to the ears.

ultralisks sound like such giant pussies in sc2 in bw they were so manly D:


so... only use SC2 sounds when playing Cat and Mouse then? :D
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
November 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#10
Elmeropogs destroying Brood War since 2012!!!
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elmerpogs
Profile Joined August 2011
Philippines441 Posts
November 08 2012 09:57 GMT
#11
On November 08 2012 18:43 thezanursic wrote:
Elmeropogs destroying Brood War since 2012!!!

Really? What have I done?Im just looking for the possibility of having BW with SC2 unit audio.I love BW and destroying what?I was just amazed at how aaf.Cat (BW and LoL streamer) did that.
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 10:58:17
November 08 2012 10:49 GMT
#12
LOL, he's just trolling you.

I'm curious though, did he replace all the sounds (like the marine firing and "you must construct... pylons") or just the unit sounds (My wife for hireee!!!)?
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asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1599 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 11:11:55
November 08 2012 11:11 GMT
#13
I'm still hating Blizzard for removing the original SC1 siege sound in Sc2.
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1977 Posts
November 08 2012 11:42 GMT
#14
most bw sounds are superior to sc2 sounds
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
November 08 2012 11:46 GMT
#15
On November 08 2012 20:42 TaShadan wrote:
most bw sounds are superior to sc2 sounds


eh? don't you mean all of it?
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 12:03:51
November 08 2012 12:02 GMT
#16
On November 08 2012 20:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 20:42 TaShadan wrote:
most bw sounds are superior to sc2 sounds


eh? don't you mean all of it?

Personally I think that the marine gun sounds better in sc2.But that's just me I guess.
Other than that nothing really.
Cackle™
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
November 08 2012 13:13 GMT
#17
As a protoss player I prefer the SC2 siege tank sound. The BW sound makes me shit myself.
elmerpogs
Profile Joined August 2011
Philippines441 Posts
November 08 2012 13:17 GMT
#18
Im just waiting aaf.Cat's reply about this.
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bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
November 08 2012 14:44 GMT
#19
You know everyone, Elmerpogs just made this thread to ask about an SC2 soundpack for BW, not everyones' opinion on how BW sounds are better than SC2. Everyone knows they are better, but that doesn't mean you have to berrate someone asking for a soundpack, not saying SC2 sounds better than BW. Anyways Good luck with your search!
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 08 2012 15:00 GMT
#20
Hearing the noble zealots in bw say " we can't hold " when under attack will make me sad badly .....
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
November 08 2012 17:06 GMT
#21
sc2 audio in sc1? Wut?
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2608 Posts
November 08 2012 17:10 GMT
#22
On November 08 2012 22:13 Sayle wrote:
As a protoss player I prefer the SC2 siege tank sound. The BW sound makes me shit myself.


I know that feeling, bro

Anyways I think you need to edit the MPQ to do this, so you only gonna be able to play ICCup (or other non Battle.net server) with this. I think Warden registers such a big difference in the MPQ pretty easily. Dunno if Warden is still active on the original servers, tho.
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Rlentless
Profile Joined January 2011
Hong Kong322 Posts
November 08 2012 17:21 GMT
#23
Ask this guy: www.twitch/skryoo1004
He plays with sc2 audio.
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
November 08 2012 18:10 GMT
#24
I don't understand this course of action, nor way of thinking.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
November 08 2012 21:14 GMT
#25
sc2 sounds sucks lol......

bw sounds are so manly and so realistic.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10682 Posts
November 08 2012 21:16 GMT
#26
You have it the other way arround, its supposed to be BW sounds in SC2. The music and sounds of BW are so much better....I could honestly just sit and listen to the music / sounds of all of BW and really get some nostalgic and good memories, if I did that with SC2, I would have nightmares or something.
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IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 21:38:35
November 08 2012 21:35 GMT
#27
Use winmpq and replace the files in patch_rt (backing it up first, ofc). If you want to replace .wavs with .oggs you'll need to convert the .oggs to a specific format of wave (iirc, it's ADPCM .wav, but I may be wrong, feel free to experiment). Up to 44k khz works.

The cleaner way is to use a firegraft or mpqdraft executable but I don't think you can get Chaoslauncher to launch those exes, so perhaps the mpq alteration path is a better idea.

If folder hotloading works you can just place them within the appropriate directory structure in sc and hope for the best.

Also, I ran total conversions on BW servers for many years and never got banned. Total conversions that changed the memory and everything. This isn't a guarantee you won't get banned, just that it is immensely unlikely.
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
November 08 2012 21:42 GMT
#28
how does anyone think that mixing SC2 audio and BW video is a good idea. thats just gross.
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asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1599 Posts
November 08 2012 21:50 GMT
#29
Thats the brown note for every protoss player
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
November 08 2012 22:12 GMT
#30
I've heard of sc2 with bw sounds, but not the other way around.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
November 08 2012 22:27 GMT
#31
Only good thing about sc2 audio is the 'in the rear with the gear' quote. And that too for immature reasons lol

and asel.. I feel you bro
Jaedong.
rupp_lekkens
Profile Joined February 2012
Chile64 Posts
November 09 2012 02:09 GMT
#32

you can ask him
please correct me if I'm wrong in my english
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
November 09 2012 02:43 GMT
#33
I actually like the Terran music in SC2. That's probably the only sounds in that game I approved of.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 09 2012 03:04 GMT
#34
On November 08 2012 21:02 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 20:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 08 2012 20:42 TaShadan wrote:
most bw sounds are superior to sc2 sounds


eh? don't you mean all of it?

Personally I think that the marine gun sounds better in sc2.But that's just me I guess.
Other than that nothing really.

They ruined every sound the marine made when they changed the stim sound tbh.
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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
November 09 2012 04:43 GMT
#35
On November 09 2012 12:04 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 21:02 TheKefka wrote:
On November 08 2012 20:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 08 2012 20:42 TaShadan wrote:
most bw sounds are superior to sc2 sounds


eh? don't you mean all of it?

Personally I think that the marine gun sounds better in sc2.But that's just me I guess.
Other than that nothing really.

They ruined every sound the marine made when they changed the stim sound tbh.


Yeah, marines are awful in sc2.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28092 Posts
November 09 2012 05:40 GMT
#36
On November 09 2012 11:43 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I actually like the Terran music in SC2. That's probably the only sounds in that game I approved of.

I didn't even know what it sounds like, because I play with music off so I can listen to my own playlists. But I just checked, and your right, it sounds cool imo.
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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-09 06:33:46
November 09 2012 06:22 GMT
#37
On November 09 2012 06:14 sabas123 wrote:
sc2 sounds sucks lol......

bw sounds are so manly and so realistic.


Realistic? ROTFL. Wright death sounds like revolver shot. I know that sounds (as everything in bw exept single player campaign) are better in BW, but lets dont go too far with saying that SC2 is less realistic. Realism in both games is...minimalistic at best.
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
November 09 2012 06:26 GMT
#38
On November 08 2012 18:57 elmerpogs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 18:43 thezanursic wrote:
Elmeropogs destroying Brood War since 2012!!!

Really? What have I done?Im just looking for the possibility of having BW with SC2 unit audio.I love BW and destroying what?I was just amazed at how aaf.Cat (BW and LoL streamer) did that.

I think you can change the audio pretty easily all you have to do it is access the audio files in whatever folder that they currently are.
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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2608 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-09 11:09:40
November 09 2012 11:09 GMT
#39
On November 09 2012 15:22 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 06:14 sabas123 wrote:
sc2 sounds sucks lol......

bw sounds are so manly and so realistic.


Realistic? ROTFL. Wright death sounds like revolver shot. I know that sounds (as everything in bw exept single player campaign) are better in BW, but lets dont go too far with saying that SC2 is less realistic. Realism in both games is...minimalistic at best.


How can you even say that the Broodwar campaign is worse then the WoL campaign. It was so flat and and no story involved. I nearly puked, when (major WoL campaign spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Raynor had Kerrigan in his arms at the end. Seriously WTF.


Cannot think of anything what is better in SC2, but matchmaking. Everything else is far inferior, including sounds and music.
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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-09 16:11:28
November 09 2012 16:05 GMT
#40
On November 09 2012 20:09 chrisolo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 15:22 hitthat wrote:
On November 09 2012 06:14 sabas123 wrote:
sc2 sounds sucks lol......

bw sounds are so manly and so realistic.


Realistic? ROTFL. Wright death sounds like revolver shot. I know that sounds (as everything in bw exept single player campaign) are better in BW, but lets dont go too far with saying that SC2 is less realistic. Realism in both games is...minimalistic at best.


How can you even say that the Broodwar campaign is worse then the WoL campaign. It was so flat and and no story involved. I nearly puked, when (major WoL campaign spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Raynor had Kerrigan in his arms at the end. Seriously WTF.


Cannot think of anything what is better in SC2, but matchmaking. Everything else is far inferior, including sounds and music.



Story is not all. Story in SC2 sucks cock, but gameplay in single was more fun and missions are as much diversed. And it was much harder to win campaign in SC2 than campaign(s) in BroodWar
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Ethoex
Profile Joined June 2012
United States164 Posts
November 09 2012 18:45 GMT
#41
why would you want the sc2 unit audio?
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
November 10 2012 08:23 GMT
#42
On November 09 2012 20:09 chrisolo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 15:22 hitthat wrote:
On November 09 2012 06:14 sabas123 wrote:
sc2 sounds sucks lol......

bw sounds are so manly and so realistic.


Realistic? ROTFL. Wright death sounds like revolver shot. I know that sounds (as everything in bw exept single player campaign) are better in BW, but lets dont go too far with saying that SC2 is less realistic. Realism in both games is...minimalistic at best.


How can you even say that the Broodwar campaign is worse then the WoL campaign. It was so flat and and no story involved. I nearly puked, when (major WoL campaign spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Raynor had Kerrigan in his arms at the end. Seriously WTF.


Cannot think of anything what is better in SC2, but matchmaking. Everything else is far inferior, including sounds and music.

I hate to say it, but both of you are right in a way.

If you look at the way missions were designed I can honestly say that SC2 had the best RTS campaign. I have never seen as much mission variety and the cutscenes were pretty good to. If you look at BW in comparison the missions were very similar to each other and while the cutscenes were amazing as well because they conveyed an amazing story to the audience, but they obviously weren't as amazing in terms of graphics and you must understand that different people prioritize different aspects some don't even care about the story as long as the gameplay is amazing and SC2 has better gameplay (Meaning more noob friendly and if you just pick up the game it is a lot more enjoyable)

So
BW is better than SC2 in terms of story and how it was told
SC2 is better than BW in terms of graphics, gameplay and mission variety (And if SC2 didn't do this right after 14 years the game would have been a disaster)
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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-10 12:27:15
November 10 2012 12:25 GMT
#43
The funny comments from units if you keep constantly clicking on them is a bonus point for Sc2, but i agree, most of the BW voices are better
And the zerg ones are definitely superior to their counterpart.
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
November 10 2012 12:38 GMT
#44
On November 10 2012 21:25 Darksoldierr wrote:
The funny comments from units if you keep constantly clicking on them is a bonus point for Sc2, but i agree, most of the BW voices are better
And the zerg ones are definitely superior to their counterpart.

I agree they have a special feel to them AND surprisingly the BW ones are pretty HQ for the year that they were recorded in!
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TheBJ
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria906 Posts
November 10 2012 12:54 GMT
#45
On November 10 2012 21:38 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 21:25 Darksoldierr wrote:
The funny comments from units if you keep constantly clicking on them is a bonus point for Sc2, but i agree, most of the BW voices are better
And the zerg ones are definitely superior to their counterpart.

I agree they have a special feel to them AND surprisingly the BW ones are pretty HQ for the year that they were recorded in!


Not suprising at all. In older times , quality of sound was much easier to produce in a game compared to graphics , thus why older blizzard games have much superior sounds compared to their new editions. e.g. sc:bw->sc2 d2->d3 etc
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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2608 Posts
November 10 2012 13:01 GMT
#46
On November 10 2012 17:23 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 20:09 chrisolo wrote:
On November 09 2012 15:22 hitthat wrote:
On November 09 2012 06:14 sabas123 wrote:
sc2 sounds sucks lol......

bw sounds are so manly and so realistic.


Realistic? ROTFL. Wright death sounds like revolver shot. I know that sounds (as everything in bw exept single player campaign) are better in BW, but lets dont go too far with saying that SC2 is less realistic. Realism in both games is...minimalistic at best.


How can you even say that the Broodwar campaign is worse then the WoL campaign. It was so flat and and no story involved. I nearly puked, when (major WoL campaign spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Raynor had Kerrigan in his arms at the end. Seriously WTF.


Cannot think of anything what is better in SC2, but matchmaking. Everything else is far inferior, including sounds and music.

I hate to say it, but both of you are right in a way.

If you look at the way missions were designed I can honestly say that SC2 had the best RTS campaign. I have never seen as much mission variety and the cutscenes were pretty good to. If you look at BW in comparison the missions were very similar to each other and while the cutscenes were amazing as well because they conveyed an amazing story to the audience, but they obviously weren't as amazing in terms of graphics and you must understand that different people prioritize different aspects some don't even care about the story as long as the gameplay is amazing and SC2 has better gameplay (Meaning more noob friendly and if you just pick up the game it is a lot more enjoyable)

So
BW is better than SC2 in terms of story and how it was told
SC2 is better than BW in terms of graphics, gameplay and mission variety (And if SC2 didn't do this right after 14 years the game would have been a disaster)


Sorry but this is dumb to me , tbh (no offense). The campaign IS the story. And one should not care about the gameplay, if the story is as amazing as SC/BW's was.

Anyways, this is quite offtopic now, so I will quit it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
elmerpogs
Profile Joined August 2011
Philippines441 Posts
December 05 2012 14:07 GMT
#47
Mission partially accomplished.I PMed all those streamers about having SC2 audios to BW and luckily Scan, the ex SKT1 progamer gave me those sc2 soundpack which is sadly in Korean language.Those files were OGG format converted to WAV. You need not to touch the MPQ.I only pasted the folder into sc directory and works like a charm.I then experimented making it English VOs.I downloaded SC2 mod for SC1 in which it has a standalone installer.You need to open the .exe installer on MPQeditor then go to sounds and extract them. You dont need to convert those soundfiles since it's already on a WAV format. And hell yeah! My Protoss is in SC2 English now, my Terran is in Korean and Zerg still on Korean.Im still persuading a modder to include the three races' VOs.
SKT [img]http://i.imgur.com/1NuGXvx.png[/img] is still the best [img]http://i.imgur.com/MsxcOXX.png[/img]
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 17:10:20
December 05 2012 17:08 GMT
#48
What ladder allows mods in the first place? I imagine AntiHack would disapprove.

On November 10 2012 03:45 Ethoex wrote:
why would you want the sc2 unit audio?


Personal taste, started playing SC2 first, want something different but not so different as to be unnerving (I would make my marines sound like Sylvestor Stallone if I could)
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 17:13:37
December 05 2012 17:13 GMT
#49
Edit: double post, all the way, across the threeeeaaaaddd
JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
December 05 2012 18:41 GMT
#50
Scan has also used SC2 sounds to his BW
www.broodwarmaps.net
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
December 05 2012 19:12 GMT
#51
On November 10 2012 17:23 thezanursic wrote:
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On November 09 2012 20:09 chrisolo wrote:
On November 09 2012 15:22 hitthat wrote:
On November 09 2012 06:14 sabas123 wrote:
sc2 sounds sucks lol......

bw sounds are so manly and so realistic.


Realistic? ROTFL. Wright death sounds like revolver shot. I know that sounds (as everything in bw exept single player campaign) are better in BW, but lets dont go too far with saying that SC2 is less realistic. Realism in both games is...minimalistic at best.


How can you even say that the Broodwar campaign is worse then the WoL campaign. It was so flat and and no story involved. I nearly puked, when (major WoL campaign spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Raynor had Kerrigan in his arms at the end. Seriously WTF.


Cannot think of anything what is better in SC2, but matchmaking. Everything else is far inferior, including sounds and music.

I hate to say it, but both of you are right in a way.

If you look at the way missions were designed I can honestly say that SC2 had the best RTS campaign. I have never seen as much mission variety and the cutscenes were pretty good to. If you look at BW in comparison the missions were very similar to each other and while the cutscenes were amazing as well because they conveyed an amazing story to the audience, but they obviously weren't as amazing in terms of graphics and you must understand that different people prioritize different aspects some don't even care about the story as long as the gameplay is amazing and SC2 has better gameplay (Meaning more noob friendly and if you just pick up the game it is a lot more enjoyable)

So
BW is better than SC2 in terms of story and how it was told
SC2 is better than BW in terms of graphics, gameplay and mission variety (And if SC2 didn't do this right after 14 years the game would have been a disaster)

what? did i heard it right? sc2 has better gameplay? lol, it's not better is just more simple.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 19:51:23
December 05 2012 19:50 GMT
#52
On December 06 2012 04:12 Garmer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 17:23 thezanursic wrote:
On November 09 2012 20:09 chrisolo wrote:
On November 09 2012 15:22 hitthat wrote:
On November 09 2012 06:14 sabas123 wrote:
sc2 sounds sucks lol......

bw sounds are so manly and so realistic.


Realistic? ROTFL. Wright death sounds like revolver shot. I know that sounds (as everything in bw exept single player campaign) are better in BW, but lets dont go too far with saying that SC2 is less realistic. Realism in both games is...minimalistic at best.


How can you even say that the Broodwar campaign is worse then the WoL campaign. It was so flat and and no story involved. I nearly puked, when (major WoL campaign spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Raynor had Kerrigan in his arms at the end. Seriously WTF.


Cannot think of anything what is better in SC2, but matchmaking. Everything else is far inferior, including sounds and music.

I hate to say it, but both of you are right in a way.

If you look at the way missions were designed I can honestly say that SC2 had the best RTS campaign. I have never seen as much mission variety and the cutscenes were pretty good to. If you look at BW in comparison the missions were very similar to each other and while the cutscenes were amazing as well because they conveyed an amazing story to the audience, but they obviously weren't as amazing in terms of graphics and you must understand that different people prioritize different aspects some don't even care about the story as long as the gameplay is amazing and SC2 has better gameplay (Meaning more noob friendly and if you just pick up the game it is a lot more enjoyable)

So
BW is better than SC2 in terms of story and how it was told
SC2 is better than BW in terms of graphics, gameplay and mission variety (And if SC2 didn't do this right after 14 years the game would have been a disaster)

what? did i heard it right? sc2 has better gameplay? lol, it's not better is just more simple.


I think the discussion is about the respective campaigns. Only a small percentage of what makes BW the greatest RTS of all time is in the "Kill every building on this giant map including that one fucking turret by itself in the middle of nowhere" mission of vanilla SC1.

BW's campaign actually had much more variety in its level design than SC1. There's a Terran mission where you keep getting spellcasters and have to use them smartly to get past enemies. That's a cool level!

There's also a level where you have a fleet of scouts and there are literally 1000+ turrets on the map. That level is terrible. I hate that level so goddamn much.

The installation levels generally, I didn't care for at all in SC1/BW.

Most of BW's missions are "Make dudes and a-move". I really wish there was a campaign for BW that really required you to use the cooler BW tricks.

Actually, now that I think about it, the smartest thing I ever heard Dustin Browder say was him noting that most BW missions were passively macroing and a-moving, leading to players going into multiplayer with an NR15 mindset, and so the SC2 campaign was designed so that you have to hit at various timings, teaching you the "proper" way to play for when you got to multiplayer.

I'd really like to see a BW campaign that was set up to teach you the proper way to play the multiplayer, actually. That might be a fun project, if I only knew the proper way to play multiplayer ;_;

That's an idea for its own thread, though.
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2115 Posts
December 06 2012 02:32 GMT
#53
Hmm, naa I prefer Broodwar sounds
John 15:13
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
December 06 2012 02:42 GMT
#54
On November 08 2012 17:10 Falling wrote:
...does not compute.


ERROR:ERROR SYSTEM SHUTDO....
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
December 06 2012 08:28 GMT
#55
On December 06 2012 04:50 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 04:12 Garmer wrote:
On November 10 2012 17:23 thezanursic wrote:
On November 09 2012 20:09 chrisolo wrote:
On November 09 2012 15:22 hitthat wrote:
On November 09 2012 06:14 sabas123 wrote:
sc2 sounds sucks lol......

bw sounds are so manly and so realistic.


Realistic? ROTFL. Wright death sounds like revolver shot. I know that sounds (as everything in bw exept single player campaign) are better in BW, but lets dont go too far with saying that SC2 is less realistic. Realism in both games is...minimalistic at best.


How can you even say that the Broodwar campaign is worse then the WoL campaign. It was so flat and and no story involved. I nearly puked, when (major WoL campaign spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Raynor had Kerrigan in his arms at the end. Seriously WTF.


Cannot think of anything what is better in SC2, but matchmaking. Everything else is far inferior, including sounds and music.

I hate to say it, but both of you are right in a way.

If you look at the way missions were designed I can honestly say that SC2 had the best RTS campaign. I have never seen as much mission variety and the cutscenes were pretty good to. If you look at BW in comparison the missions were very similar to each other and while the cutscenes were amazing as well because they conveyed an amazing story to the audience, but they obviously weren't as amazing in terms of graphics and you must understand that different people prioritize different aspects some don't even care about the story as long as the gameplay is amazing and SC2 has better gameplay (Meaning more noob friendly and if you just pick up the game it is a lot more enjoyable)

So
BW is better than SC2 in terms of story and how it was told
SC2 is better than BW in terms of graphics, gameplay and mission variety (And if SC2 didn't do this right after 14 years the game would have been a disaster)

what? did i heard it right? sc2 has better gameplay? lol, it's not better is just more simple.


I think the discussion is about the respective campaigns. Only a small percentage of what makes BW the greatest RTS of all time is in the "Kill every building on this giant map including that one fucking turret by itself in the middle of nowhere" mission of vanilla SC1.

BW's campaign actually had much more variety in its level design than SC1. There's a Terran mission where you keep getting spellcasters and have to use them smartly to get past enemies. That's a cool level!

There's also a level where you have a fleet of scouts and there are literally 1000+ turrets on the map. That level is terrible. I hate that level so goddamn much.

The installation levels generally, I didn't care for at all in SC1/BW.

Most of BW's missions are "Make dudes and a-move". I really wish there was a campaign for BW that really required you to use the cooler BW tricks.

Actually, now that I think about it, the smartest thing I ever heard Dustin Browder say was him noting that most BW missions were passively macroing and a-moving, leading to players going into multiplayer with an NR15 mindset, and so the SC2 campaign was designed so that you have to hit at various timings, teaching you the "proper" way to play for when you got to multiplayer.

I'd really like to see a BW campaign that was set up to teach you the proper way to play the multiplayer, actually. That might be a fun project, if I only knew the proper way to play multiplayer ;_;

That's an idea for its own thread, though.

oh if we are referring, to the campaign, then yes, i agree, SC2 offer much more variety.
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
December 06 2012 09:11 GMT
#56
Why would you do this...? SC2 unit audio is terrible and BW unit audio is amazing.
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
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