The new OSL has an old or new sponsor however you want to look at it. 신한 has decided to sponsor the next three OSL's (rest of 2006 and the OSL that starts in winter) for OGN. They must have liked the attention they received after the latest OSL. Not only are they sponsoring three OSL's but they are also creating a Master's tournament for the best players of the three past OSL's with a FAT money prize. Like miNi said, there may be confusion in naming the OSL's since they pretty much will have all the same names. Here's the original thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=38554
But I'll summarize it for you guys anyways. Previous OSL's had 16 players. They would play a round robin in groups of 4. Best two players advance to quarterfinals. Winners of that to semis, then to finals. Now we have 24 players in the OSL:
New OSL Format: Firstly you will see the 24강 or round of 24. They do exactly what the group of 16 did in the other OSL's. They play round robins in groups of 4. So that means 6 groups of 4. Top two of each group advance (12 players). Secondly the 3rd place of each group (6 players) will have to do a so called "Wild Card Match" with only 3 players advancing and the 3 players who lost will have to play each other and the top player advances from that group. So we have 4 players accompanying the 12 players. Thirdly, now that we have a group of 16 we have a best of 3. 8 winners advance. To quarterfinals that are also best of 3 with 4 winners advacing. Lastly, we have semifinals and finals which are best of 5. I'm assuming the 4 losers from the quarterfinals will do some sort of round robin or tournament to determine the 5th and 6th place. Needed for seeding in the next OSL.
ODT Format: Since there are no more seeds left for ODT R1 winners. There is no more ODT R1. So if any of you actually started getting used to the ODT 2 round system like I did. It was all a waste cause now there's just a giant ODT with 9 groups of 4. 18 players get spots in the next OSL.
ODT R2 group results: Group A Iris to next OSL GoRush to next OSL Anytime[gm] Saferzerg
Group B IntoTheRainbow to next OSL Chojja to next OSL Sasin)Child XellOs
Group C Stork to next OSL YeLLoW to next OSL Cloud Silver
Group D Midas to next OSL Stay[HyO] to next OSL GooDFriend GGPlay
Group E Nal_rA (that's RIGHT) to next OSL Rock to next OSL BoxeR Siva
Group F Casy to next OSL Samsung Zergman to next OSL Sync DarkElf
In all, 12 players qualified for the next OSL through ODT R2 play. 1 player from ODT R1. 3 from the top three in the last OSL, 신한은행. This accounts for the 16
The new qualifier tournament for the 8 spots left: Group A ShinHwA[Name] to next OSL [Oops]Cloud to next OSL Silver Light[alive]
Group B SlayerS_`BoxeR` to next OSL (YES! GET THAT GOLDEN MOUSE YOU SEXY BEAST!!) Jju to next OSL Sea.Jy Anytime[gm]
Group C GooDFrienD to next OSL YeLLoW[Name] to next OSL XellOs Saferzerg
Group D Child to next OSL Sync to next OSL Bifrost Siva
The players so far for the NEXT OSL: The Triumph of War: Terran (9) #1 Seed SKT iloveoov #4 Seed MBC-POS Sea[Shield] #5 Seed KOR Casy #6 Seed SKT Midas SKT BoxeR KTF Sync GO Iris KOR Cloud KTF GoodFriend
Victory after Victory: Protoss (5) #3 seed MBC-POS PuSan SKT IntoTheRainbow KTF Nal_rA HE IS BACK!!! Samsung Stork P&C [3.33]Rock
Team Distributions: 5 from SK Telecom (iloveoov, BoxeR, midas, GoRush, Rainbow) 5 from KTF Magic@ns (GooDFriend, Sync, Yellow, ChOJJa, Nal_rA) 3 from MBC-Pirates of Spaces (July, PuSan, Shield) 3 from Samsung Khan (Zergman, Jju, Stork) 3 from KOR (Casy, Cloud, YellOw[Name]) 2 from Pantech and Curitel Curriors (Rock, Stay) 1 from Lecaf (ShinHwA) 1 from Greatest One (Iris) 1 from SouL (Child)
신한 OSL Final Group Drawings: Apparently I was correct and the seeds were Casy and a quarterfinal loser, Midas.
Group A: T iloveoov (1st pick) -> T Cloud (12th) -> Z Chojja (13th) -> Z Yellow[Name] Group B: Z July (2nd pick) -> Z GoRush (11th) -> P Rock (14) -> T Sync Group C: P Pusan (3rd) -> T Boxer (10th) -> Z Shinhwa[Name] (15) -> Z Jju Group D: T Sea[Shield] (4th) -> T GoodFriend (9th) -> P Rainbow (16) -> Z Child Group E: T Casy (5th) -> P Nal_rA (8th) -> Z Zergman (17) -> Z Stay Group F: T Midas (6th) -> Z Yellow (7th) -> P Stork (18) -> T Iris
Thoughts: I'm officially done with this thread I think. But a little group drawing two cents: iloveoov starts off with a Terran, Cloud. July picks his Zerg rival(?), the 운영 magician, GoRush. BoxeR got selected by PuSan, maybe PuSan wants a little rematch from So1. BoxeR gets lucky and got two Zergs in his group, Shinhwa picking another Zerg, cause I think the rules stipulate only one Protoss per group? I'm not sure. Otherwise it would just be stupid picking another Terran if you're a Zerg. I'm surprised GooDFriend chose a Protoss. Poor Nal_rA has two Zergs in his group. And you can't help but laugh at Yellow. That OSL title is even further from his reach when he has two up and coming Terrans in his group. Too bad Shield picked up GooDFriend before Midas could.
After all sixteen have been confirmed into the next OSL, I'm not sure what happens. I think the top 4 seeds each pick one player to be in their group, then each of the selected players pick another, and so forth until each of the four groups has 4 players in it. They then do a round robin taking only the top two of each group with the bottom two of each group shunted back to ODL R2.
On February 22 2006 12:27 iNsaNe- wrote: What's TDB?
I think he means TBD (To Be Determined).
I agree with most of the predictions being thrown around here...except for Sync qualifying. Even with these map (which are bullshit) he's been playing too poorly for too long. I have no confidence in him.
On February 22 2006 13:22 jkillashark wrote: After all sixteen have been confirmed into the next OSL, I'm not sure what happens. I think the top 4 seeds each pick one player to be in their group, then each of the selected players pick another, and so forth until each of the four groups has 4 players in it. They then do a round robin taking only the top two of each group with the bottom two of each group shunted back to ODL R2.
Glad to see the toss number rise. Although I would have liked if Anytime ( maybe Reach ) was in instead of the others. Stork doesn't really impress me and Rainbow isn't consistent. The only way Pusan would win is if it was a pvt final. Besides Anytime's style is more enjoyable to watch.
3 Terran, 5 Zerg, and 2 Protoss, yes a stinking 2 Protoss have qualified. Good thing the remaining Zerg qualifiers are not that good and will probably not make it. Most of the remaining qualifiers, I think will come through as Terran with maybe 1 or 2 Protoss. Hopefully it'll be a pretty even race diversity. Maybe 6 Terrans, 5 Zergs, 4 Protoss.
I've come to the conclusion that Protoss never gets an easy matchup. PvZ is always hell for P. PvT is pretty evenly matched up. PvP is obviously freaking hard. So nowadays, I can't help but always rooting for the Protoss players cause they have such a hard time. Anyone agree?
KTF should really get both sync and Ra in there. Ra's only real threat is Boxer, as Rock's PvP is not Ra level and Siva is a has-been. Boxer is actually more unsure, but his recent shape compared to that of Rock should get him thru.
If Sync can't make 1 out of two versus unknown Elf and willnevermakeit zergman he can just quit, thanks.
On February 22 2006 15:23 jkillashark wrote: 3 Terran, 5 Zerg, and 2 Protoss, yes a stinking 2 Protoss have qualified. Good thing the remaining Zerg qualifiers are not that good and will probably not make it. Most of the remaining qualifiers, I think will come through as Terran with maybe 1 or 2 Protoss. Hopefully it'll be a pretty even race diversity. Maybe 6 Terrans, 5 Zergs, 4 Protoss.
I've come to the conclusion that Protoss never gets an easy matchup. PvZ is always hell for P. PvT is pretty evenly matched up. PvP is obviously freaking hard. So nowadays, I can't help but always rooting for the Protoss players cause they have such a hard time. Anyone agree?
considering there was like 2 zergs in last osl its not that bad. its a fair bet pusan and ra will make it in too so this actually has the potential to be a fairly racially balanced starleague.
and i dont follow the logic behind pvp is freaking hard.
We absolutely need Ra to qualify. I'm starting to like Stork, dispite my initial frustrations with his first OSL appearance. He might make a fan of me yet, but Rainbow is a lump of terd and if we only have the 2 of them in I'll fucking flip out.
Having Ra in is the least that could salvage yet another toss empty OSL. God help us all if Pusan doesn't get 3rd place in this one. You better fucking beat Casy and open the way for Pusan, Oov you son of a bitch.
On February 22 2006 14:39 Vo- wrote: Glad to see the toss number rise. Although I would have liked if Anytime ( maybe Reach ) was in instead of the others. Stork doesn't really impress me and Rainbow isn't consistent. The only way Pusan would win is if it was a pvt final. Besides Anytime's style is more enjoyable to watch.
lol! anytime -> --zz he gets lucky one starleague and all of a sudden hes neo hero toss? where is he now? atleast pusan is getting realiable results --;; (although really bad luck of him running into july ) its time for nal_ra to prove to the neo tosses what the oldtimers can do
On February 22 2006 14:39 Vo- wrote: Glad to see the toss number rise. Although I would have liked if Anytime ( maybe Reach ) was in instead of the others. Stork doesn't really impress me and Rainbow isn't consistent. The only way Pusan would win is if it was a pvt final. Besides Anytime's style is more enjoyable to watch.
lol! anytime -> --zz he gets lucky one starleague and all of a sudden hes neo hero toss? where is he now? atleast pusan is getting realiable results --;; (although really bad luck of him running into july ) its time for nal_ra to prove to the neo tosses what the oldtimers can do
pusan makes 2 semifinals and he deserves more praise than anytime? im not sure i would say pusan gets reliable results. its only been two starleagues, and hes proved to be a chokefest.
On February 22 2006 14:39 Vo- wrote: Glad to see the toss number rise. Although I would have liked if Anytime ( maybe Reach ) was in instead of the others. Stork doesn't really impress me and Rainbow isn't consistent. The only way Pusan would win is if it was a pvt final. Besides Anytime's style is more enjoyable to watch.
lol! anytime -> --zz he gets lucky one starleague and all of a sudden hes neo hero toss? where is he now? atleast pusan is getting realiable results --;; (although really bad luck of him running into july ) its time for nal_ra to prove to the neo tosses what the oldtimers can do
pusan makes 2 semifinals and he deserves more praise than anytime? im not sure i would say pusan gets reliable results. its only been two starleagues, and hes proved to be a chokefest.
If Pusan makes it into the next OSL via 3rd seed or thru ODL, I don't think you can call him a chokefest. AnyTime would not have fared any better against July. No Protoss would have.
Ok people gotta stop flinging around harsh judgements.
For the record, Anytime defeated Yellow, GGPlay, Xellos, iloveoov and Boxer to win the So1 Starleague. That's not a cake walk.
Pusan has defeated Chojja, Jju, and Goodfriend before narrowly losing to Boxer in an epic loss which I'm willing to chalk up to inexperience and nerves.
Then he defeated Xellos, Casy, and Midas before running into July. Losing to July does not mean you choke.
Well Oh Yeongjong (Anytime[gm]) has shown a lackluster aftermath of the So1 Starleague. Coming in as the first seed for Shinhan, he goes 1-2 in Group A and sent to ODT R2 where he gets third again and sent back to ODT R1 which means he's going to miss the next OSL. Hopefully he's not a one hit wonder, but I still have yet to believe he is the neo hero protoss.
Stork and PuSan look FAR more consistent than Anytime has been. But so far, I think Reach still holds his own as the Hero Protoss.
On February 22 2006 22:42 HonestTea wrote: Ok people gotta stop flinging around harsh judgements.
For the record, Anytime defeated Yellow, GGPlay, Xellos, iloveoov and Boxer to win the So1 Starleague. That's not a cake walk.
Pusan has defeated Chojja, Jju, and Goodfriend before narrowly losing to Boxer in an epic loss which I'm willing to chalk up to inexperience and nerves.
Then he defeated Xellos, Casy, and Midas before running into July. Losing to July does not mean you choke.
Anytime owns with style, that's why we like him. He did well in the qualifiers, but got eliminated by zergs, no? Though a bit funny how he got eliminated by the terrans he wanted in his OSL group.
On February 22 2006 12:34 Slipgoon wrote: Isnt rainbow quite wicked?
he sucks so we dont like him
Go slit your wrists. I like my female pro gamers thx. Don't be mad cuz u don't like pussy. Rainbow FTW!
And I think Iris deserves more attention. He is pretty cool no?
<3 Rainbow, she's one of the most unique and watchable players right now.
But Iris.. omg.. he has worse acne than me, and thats saying something... Not only that he's so ordinary. Waste of a space, I'd much prefer to have other big name interesting Terrans like Nada and Cloud.
I can't really decide wether I like Rainbow or not. Most of the time I get the feeling he's just fucking around and gets a lucky break rather than playing seriously for a win, and soundly stomping his opponents.
On February 23 2006 14:45 Luhh wrote: I can't really decide wether I like Rainbow or not. Most of the time I get the feeling he's just fucking around and gets a lucky break rather than playing seriously for a win, and soundly stomping his opponents.
OMG I feel exactly the same way. He freaking cheeses way too much so I can never tell what's his normal style of play.
by chokefest i was more referring to his semifinal in So1 vs boxer. i don't mean to be so harsh =P. i just think its sorta ridiculous that so many people are claiming that pusan is better/more consistent than anytime. we have yet to see if pusan qualifies for the next OSL, and even if he does, ill take 2 OSLs (including 1 title) over 2 semifinals and a 3rd OSL berth. people seem to forget what happened too quickly. a couple months ago anytime was the new toss hero. now he faltered a little bit and hes quickly forgotten X_X.
On February 24 2006 04:50 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: by chokefest i was more referring to his semifinal in So1 vs boxer. i don't mean to be so harsh =P. i just think its sorta ridiculous that so many people are claiming that pusan is better/more consistent than anytime. we have yet to see if pusan qualifies for the next OSL, and even if he does, ill take 2 OSLs (including 1 title) over 2 semifinals and a 3rd OSL berth. people seem to forget what happened too quickly. a couple months ago anytime was the new toss hero. now he faltered a little bit and hes quickly forgotten X_X.
Winning an OSL automatically gets you into the next OSL, no R2 clawing your way to the next OSL. However, they still have a very short OSL tournament record so we have still yet to base their consistency. Perhaps Anytime will get into the next OSL, oh wait he's already out. Maybe the one after...
On February 23 2006 14:45 Luhh wrote: I can't really decide wether I like Rainbow or not. Most of the time I get the feeling he's just fucking around and gets a lucky break rather than playing seriously for a win, and soundly stomping his opponents.
OMG I feel exactly the same way. He freaking cheeses way too much so I can never tell what's his normal style of play.
On February 23 2006 14:36 FireBlast! wrote: But Iris.. omg.. he has worse acne than me, and thats saying something... Not only that he's so ordinary. Waste of a space, I'd much prefer to have other big name interesting Terrans like Nada and Cloud.
from what ive seen cloud is fairly standard too, and iris can produce some nice games. him vs july in groups was pretty good.
On February 22 2006 22:42 HonestTea wrote: Ok people gotta stop flinging around harsh judgements.
For the record, Anytime defeated Yellow, GGPlay, Xellos, iloveoov and Boxer to win the So1 Starleague. That's not a cake walk.
Pusan has defeated Chojja, Jju, and Goodfriend before narrowly losing to Boxer in an epic loss which I'm willing to chalk up to inexperience and nerves.
Then he defeated Xellos, Casy, and Midas before running into July. Losing to July does not mean you choke.
Ya'll need to take a chill pill.
That's all completely true.
Why all the playa hatin hating? =(
Can't we all just not get along and hate one another ;D.
i just love kingdom and want him in for 1 reason: His always underrated Against the Big guys. (dont missread , im not saying ppl dont consider him good , i just think if he ever meets july , oov , or boxer he would be an undergod). When Nal_ra was invincible , Kingdom came and raped him. So i want him to do the same with july!!! GO SLOPPY SHUTTLE REAVER MICRO ASAP NOOBZORZ!
july hasn't played a top terran in this OSL yet except for boxer, who he lost to. then the final has cultivation period twice and 815. plus oov has dominated july in their recent games. oov is the clear favorite.
On February 24 2006 10:29 M2 wrote: I have a feeling that boxer will not make it this time and that Rock and Ra will advance
That's blaspheming against the 600,000+ fans of Im Yohwan
I used to have hopes for Rock, but his last year has been so mediocre and he haven't progressed in his game at all, and I would like to see him fall down into oblivion (challenge leagues).
you kind of underestimate the nr1 zerg and korean practice power. Nothing is for certain, it can go both ways, this is the final btw. In the group stages predictions are more likely to be true. And you don't have to say top teran because in that sentance it's not about meeting a top teran, but the practice MU that he had to train for. And in addition, for those who think that the better the oponent the more practice you have to put down, then maybe that is the reason why players like Casy and Anytime are so succesfull.
what are you talking about? how does the fact that this is a final make it different from the So1 quarters when oov and july played each other? are you saying july is going to practice more for this than he did for the quarterfinals? they have to pass the quarterfinals before even getting here so im sure they practice just as much for those matches.
and yes it does make a difference who the terran is. july can roll over iris with a certain amount of practice, but might not beat oov if he was in the same form. beating iris doesn't prove that julys zvt is in top shape.
On February 28 2006 11:15 jkillashark wrote: Yes this is a WTF moment after PuSan won.
POS now has a hold on 3 seeds for the next OSL. WTF?
I pray that oov will take the 1st seed though I doubt it because July is on fire right now.
Yeah, I can't see POS not having a sponsor for much longer... short of performing phenominally in the proleague, I don't know what else they would have to do. T_T
On February 28 2006 13:25 racebannon wrote: They don't have a sponsor? What is Egosys then?
Not their sponsor anymore. That contract ran out several months ago I think.
Yeah, EGOSYS and POS's contract ended late last year I think. I'm really surprised that Plus got a sponsor before POS did. POS's team is a lot stronger imho.
On February 28 2006 14:18 Hot_Bid wrote: pillsbury should sponsor july
If that happened, July will never lose his weight like Stork did.
Remember when Stork used to be pretty chubby back in the day? Just watch Julyzerg highlights by XellOs_Pluto (bless him) and look for a picture of him now.
Mumyung also lost a lot of weight, I remember seeing this really chubby guy in NATE (watched it at the end of last year) and was like who is that? I see Mumyung and I'm like, WTF? Isn't that guy skinny now?
On February 28 2006 11:15 jkillashark wrote: Yes this is a WTF moment after PuSan won.
POS now has a hold on 3 seeds for the next OSL. WTF?
I pray that oov will take the 1st seed though I doubt it because July is on fire right now.
Yeah, I can't see POS not having a sponsor for much longer... short of performing phenominally in the proleague, I don't know what else they would have to do. T_T
Pusan is not charismatic in the least, and while July is charismatic, he's chubby. Beckham had the best sponsordeals cause he was the worlds greatest footballer, or because he was very good and also handsome?
It's about starquality and who they'd like to see represent them as well, but on the other hand they're so good and do so well so the exposure they'd get would surely outweigh this I'd think.
Don't hate on Rainbow assholes. His PvZ is fun to watch. He's insane and stupid, he makes game funnnnnyyyyyyy as hell sometimes... and he looks like a bitch and sometimes he can play really hot. And he's the only pro gamer to rape with mind control and ghost towning GF -_-;; He has awesome games under his belt. What more of a character do you want in a pro-gamer? Rainbow FTW fuckers.
And how gay is it, the zergs are back and the Emperor is MIA. Fuuuuuuckin lame. This OSL, I want Yellow to take it. Looking at the line up, depending on how things go, This is probably gonna be Yellow's last slim chance of an OSL victory. Less terrans, and a lot of Tosses and Zergs which he is supremely comfy playing.
Lol, so boxer makes it into the finals of the OSL filled with the least zergs ever, then he gets stuck in a group without zergs when trying to qualify for the OSL with the most zergs in a year ;D?!
Hmmm... now that I think about it, there's only one really oustanding Terran in this next OSL. That's oov. We all know how good Midas TvZ is (which is soso). I didn't see much of Casy's TvZ in Shinhan. I'm not sure how strong a showing Terran will give.
What about the Protoss? They suffer enough with a few Zerg and some Zerg imba maps (Cultivation Period cough cough Age of Expansion). Luckily, our beloved shining star, Kang Min (Nal_rA), has a wonderful PvZ. Last I checked he 2-0ed teammate Hong Jinho at BWWI.
Now the Zerg, have a VERY strong group. They have four VERY seasoned veterans: GoRush, Yellow, and of course JulyZerg. Makes me worry for those tosses. I remember that XellOs_Pluto JulyZerg highlight. That dramatic beginning: Only two Zergs to qualify through Dual Round Play, last ticket to Gillette Starleague through SlayerS_`BoxeR`. Freaking 5 qualifed this year and 1 seed.
Which leads to three important questions: How will Terran handle the plethora of Zergs? With such seasoned Zergs, will they be able to take advantage of the most Zergs in a starleauge for a long time?
Will the Zerg finally dominate a starleague like no other? They have so many strong players and numbers that I'm pretty sure it makes many non-Zerg progamers shift in their seats.
What happens to Protoss now that there are so many Zerg? The Zerg not only have very well tested veterans, they have an imba(lanaced) map in their aresenal. Will the two neo-tosses (Stork and PuSan) be able to show their new flair for their race?
On March 03 2006 10:49 coulthard[pR] wrote: boxer is out of osl??? does he still have a chance?
He is going to miss this next OSL. However, he got 3rd in his ODL R2 Group and is sent to ODT R1 for the OSL after this next one. Confusing, eh? Manifesto's gem on how ODT works should help you understand.
On March 03 2006 10:37 jkillashark wrote: we all know how good Midas TvZ is (which sucks).
I stopped reading here
I'm sorry, his TvZ is soso. I dunno, Zergman plays a very nice Zerg. I was really shocked when Midas lost to that guy in tiebreaks. But yes, he did beat in the 2nd tiebreak.
How will Terran handle the plethora of Zergs? With such seasoned Zergs, will they be able to take advantage of the most Zergs in a starleauge for a long time?
With these shitty ass maps, how can Terran not win?
Will the Zerg finally dominate a starleague like no other? They have so many strong players and numbers that I'm pretty sure it makes many non-Zerg progamers shift in their seats.
What happens to Protoss now that there are so many Zerg? The Zerg not only have very well tested veterans, they have an imba(lanaced) map in their aresenal. Will the two neo-tosses (Stork and PuSan) be able to show their new flair for their race?
[/quote] Protoss will do good against Zerg if they can win Cultivation Period. 815 is slightly favored for Protoss. The other maps are so-so.
Its gonna be all about the new map(s). Really hoping for at least 2 new ones. My personal guess is that they will keep Ride of Valkyrie(Cuz it doesnt suck) and modify 815 a little more and use it again. Cultivation just didnt work out, and Rush Hour is getting tired as fuck... It never produces good games.
My post about Boxer slumping and being inconsistent was a joke post making fun of the fact that people are so quick to jump on people for not making one OSL, while ignoring the fact that they had a rough ODT group, and also ignoring their actual performance in said games
That's why picking players for your group would be an interesting event... Particularly, Protoss players would want Zerg-killing Terrans in their group to clean out the Zergs... hahaha.
P=>T T=>Z Z > P!
I think they should make the Zergling speed upgrade to 100 mineral and 150 gas to make PvZ more balanced.
Naturally, oov would like to pick a nonteammate zerg, and that zerg would like a nonteammate protoss, who might pick a teammate of oov's terran. Unless there are intense rivalries, that's usually how it goes.
On February 22 2006 15:23 jkillashark wrote: I've come to the conclusion that Protoss never gets an easy matchup. PvZ is always hell for P. PvT is pretty evenly matched up. PvP is obviously freaking hard. So nowadays, I can't help but always rooting for the Protoss players cause they have such a hard time. Anyone agree?
On February 22 2006 15:23 jkillashark wrote: I've come to the conclusion that Protoss never gets an easy matchup. PvZ is always hell for P. PvT is pretty evenly matched up. PvP is obviously freaking hard. So nowadays, I can't help but always rooting for the Protoss players cause they have such a hard time. Anyone agree?
Yeah PvP is imba :o
WTF????????? I meant mirror matchups are hard, they can't be imbalanced
On February 22 2006 15:23 jkillashark wrote: I've come to the conclusion that Protoss never gets an easy matchup. PvZ is always hell for P. PvT is pretty evenly matched up. PvP is obviously freaking hard. So nowadays, I can't help but always rooting for the Protoss players cause they have such a hard time. Anyone agree?
Yeah PvP is imba :o
WTF????????? I meant mirror matchups are hard, they can't be imbalanced
On March 08 2006 08:59 SinfulActs wrote: July will rape everyone and all you gay boxer fans will cry.
I think his ass is still sour from being raped by oov. And oov will take a great pleasure to rape him again. So...
The only one that deserves to rape July for the golden mouse is the Emperor himself.
The problem is that boxer can only rape zergs right now, while only doing soso against toss and terran. July is not a threat to him, but players like oov and Pusan are. Ideally, he'd want July to kill all the great tosses who in turn have killed all the other great terrans.
Right... "so-so" against Terran. -_-;; Plz man, just cuz he lost to Oov doesn't mean shit. Ok, his TvP isn't spectacular... but that doesn't mean he can't win. He wins his fair share of them. SO1 was testimonial to Boxer's Metal fighting abilities.
BoxeR no longer has a ratio over 50% against Protoss in Ongamenet play. T_T I think his TvP is like 20-21 TvZ is insane at like 51-20 or something. Forgot his TvT
On March 08 2006 08:59 SinfulActs wrote: July will rape everyone and all you gay boxer fans will cry.
I think his ass is still sour from being raped by oov. And oov will take a great pleasure to rape him again. So...
The only one that deserves to rape July for the golden mouse is the Emperor himself.
The problem is that boxer can only rape zergs right now, while only doing soso against toss and terran. July is not a threat to him, but players like oov and Pusan are. Ideally, he'd want July to kill all the great tosses who in turn have killed all the other great terrans.
boxer=god vs Z, his vT is also very very good, but oov.. thats king kong we are talking about.. and his vP is slowly improving in my point of view
Boxer's PvT is just very inconsistent, he can play great at times (although his metal micro never reaches his TvZ micro), but completely crap as well. His TvT and TvZ are obviously among the very best.
Yeah, but it's never auto-rape. Boxer's TvP is one of the hardest things to predict. So1 I was crying watching all the Tosses, then I was ecstatic when he pulled out the victory against Pusan.. COME ON! Who wasn't like OMG HE DID IT. No one flat out owns Boxer in a series cept Xellos -_-;;
Aww Sushi, why couldn't you have let me live in ignorant bliss for at least one more day? Why bother adding more players if Reach isn't going to be there?
Dude, where has the #1 pimp of the 2005 starleague gone to? (His maelstrom on Chojja's devourers). Now if we want to see a cheese toss player we gotta watch that 여자 IntoTheRainbow. 박정석 was a "quality" cheese toss if there is such a thing
Hey, don't hate on Rainbow. Sure he has some kinks in his game, but he can pull out the craziest and most badass games. Plus, how cool is it he does some form of reaver opening every game? lol -_-; I think it's awesome -_-;;
On April 01 2006 22:46 jkillashark wrote: Well maybe not in Korea... maybe in America???
Dude, where has the #1 pimp of the 2005 starleague gone to? (His maelstrom on Chojja's devourers). Now if we want to see a cheese toss player we gotta watch that 여자 IntoTheRainbow. 박정석 was a "quality" cheese toss if there is such a thing
Ummmm... if you'd seen some korean TV, you'd eat your words. Rainbow is amazing. -_-;;
On April 01 2006 14:10 jkillashark wrote: Imagine if the OGN was like a NCAA pool tournament
Imagine the brackets and all the gambling that would go on in Korea
Hm, I think gambling is largely banned in Korea.
Wasn't there just a news about Rekrul winning a poker tournament there?
I thought Poker was relatively popular there
It was STRICTLY foreigners, no koreans were allowed to play I think
Well you're not allowed to gamble in private settings in Korea however, you're allowed to gamble in Casino if you don't live in the same suburb as casino location. You can play as long as you're not local which was to prevent the locals getting addicted to gambling since it is nearby. This often means travelling more than 2 hours to get to the Casino. Locals however change their addresses to their cousins in different areas so they can gamble through the loophole.
Gambling is still really popular in Korea even though it is illegal, often private gambling places get raided by police that fail to bribe the police. However the ones rekrul goes to is located in the affluent area of Seoul and it is more than likely that they bribed the local police force.
There are two major Casinos in Korea one is located in Gangwon district and the other in Jeju island.
Umm I may have read wrong but I thought I heard boxer was out of the next osl and couldn't win that golden mouse? If so, then how did he make it to osl. Don't u win the golden mouse if u win 3 osl's? So how is he back in it when someone alrdy said that he wasn't in it. I may have read wrong I dunno and I dunno exactly how this all works. Someone plz explain?
We now have our groupings. I really hope the Terrans rape all the good Zergs early, because any PvZ past group stages will be unwinnable on these maps...again.
Alot about winning Starleagues is all about luck in group drawings. If protoss doesn't get matched up vs zerg, P has a good chance of going far (Anytime). If zerg gets matched up vs protoss often, Z has a good chance of going far (July). As for terrans, zergs are a blessing. Besides the obvious reason, zergs will also take out their deadliest threats - the protosses. The more zergs participating, the better chance for Terran to win it all.
So it's all about the group drawings. Nal_rA won his first Starleague by playing all PvT's the entire tournament. Anytime won his OSL from playing all PvT's in his bo series. Reach got very close to winning a few Starleagues but got stopped dead in his tracks when he hit a zerg. July got to the finals of the most recent OSL by getting all PvZ's in his bo series.
Of course we'll see upsets from time to time, but generally this is how it works.
I don't think Protoss are the Terran's greatest threat. With the likes of Casy, Oov and GF, I believe the greatest threat to Terran players are... other terran players.
On April 05 2006 23:07 tfeign wrote: Nal_rA won his first Starleague by playing all PvT's the entire tournament.
Not true. In second stage groups he was with Zeus, Kingdom, and Nada, and he lost to Nada. In semis he won agaisnt Jju. In final he won against Zeus. Well, as for the first stage groups, dont know all the players he was with, just Boxer.
I don't really know if yall are being "sarcastic" or not due to the no smiley faces and stuff so I'm asking, did they really change it just for boxer so that he could be in the next osl to win the gold mouse or did they just change "all of the sudden" and boxer lucked out and is now able to win the golden mouse?
On April 06 2006 14:37 kP_cHoBo wrote: I don't really know if yall are being "sarcastic" or not due to the no smiley faces and stuff so I'm asking, did they really change it just for boxer so that he could be in the next osl to win the gold mouse or did they just change "all of the sudden" and boxer lucked out and is now able to win the golden mouse?
All of the sudden. Its the antiboxer dudes that keeps complaining.
Officially, Boxer has no influence on the format change. It's just that there have been a couple incidents where OGN did something to seemingly rig things for Boxer, so people are speculating whether OGN is really trying to rig it for Boxer.
But if they really wanted to make sure Boxer was in Starleague, he wouldn't have been put through such rough groups. For example, if he switched groups with Casy, he would have had a great shot at qualifying on the first go. Instead, he got put in a tough group with rA and rock, and then after, got put into THE group of death in the newest batch of dual league groups, so I don't think they're rigging it in his favour, and that their intent on expanding starleague is genuine.
On April 06 2006 14:38 Sfydjklm wrote: Kinda offtopic but what happened in the anytime vs jju game?
On April 05 2006 23:07 tfeign wrote: Nal_rA won his first Starleague by playing all PvT's the entire tournament.
Not true. In second stage groups he was with Zeus, Kingdom, and Nada, and he lost to Nada. In semis he won agaisnt Jju. In final he won against Zeus. Well, as for the first stage groups, dont know all the players he was with, just Boxer.
On April 06 2006 17:08 Purind wrote: Officially, Boxer has no influence on the format change. It's just that there have been a couple incidents where OGN did something to seemingly rig things for Boxer, so people are speculating whether OGN is really trying to rig it for Boxer.
But if they really wanted to make sure Boxer was in Starleague, he wouldn't have been put through such rough groups. For example, if he switched groups with Casy, he would have had a great shot at qualifying on the first go. Instead, he got put in a tough group with rA and rock, and then after, got put into THE group of death in the newest batch of dual league groups, so I don't think they're rigging it in his favour, and that their intent on expanding starleague is genuine.
On April 06 2006 17:08 Purind wrote: Officially, Boxer has no influence on the format change. It's just that there have been a couple incidents where OGN did something to seemingly rig things for Boxer, so people are speculating whether OGN is really trying to rig it for Boxer.
But if they really wanted to make sure Boxer was in Starleague, he wouldn't have been put through such rough groups. For example, if he switched groups with Casy, he would have had a great shot at qualifying on the first go. Instead, he got put in a tough group with rA and rock, and then after, got put into THE group of death in the newest batch of dual league groups, so I don't think they're rigging it in his favour, and that their intent on expanding starleague is genuine.
On April 06 2006 14:38 Sfydjklm wrote: Kinda offtopic but what happened in the anytime vs jju game?
Anytime got raped
boxer could not be in casy's position in ODT round 2 because casy was 4th in OSL. boxer was 5th-8th.
boxer then had 2 zergs to rape up anytime while he raped up the zergs.
i'm not saying its rigged, but your arguments aren't proving that its not.
Well BOxeR's group was the "Death group". AnyTime, JJu, BoxeR, and the new guy with amazing potention, Sea.Jy who beat NaDa 2-0 already.
And if you saw Sea.Jy vs BoxeR, that was no walk in the park. I honestly have never seen a zerg play like that on his first ever televised match. It was amazing and had BoxeR sweating. Despite BoxeR having the luck to only face 2 zergs, it wasn't an easy win. And JJu is not push-over either (though his zvt was diaspointing)
I KNEW THEY WOULD EXPAND THE SIZE. YESSSSS. God I had been hoping they would do this for soooooo long. It totally makes sense. I almost think it shoulda been 32 in OSL and 48 in ODT though, but eh;] good enough.
OSLs are now Wednesdays and Fridays! Two days a week ago. Keep a look out for broadcasts or live reports. Or you can be really patient and wait for Live2Win come ftw with his sexy sexy VODs.
EPT
You better fucking beat Casy and open the way for Pusan, Oov you son of a bitch.
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