Players&Pros Clicks/Min

On May 05 2003 11:08 LumberJack wrote:
Oversky 286
edit: Chojja 340's [korwcg '02 replays, gotten faster over the last year prolly ]

On May 05 2003 12:27 0x64 wrote:

Mondragon: 110

On May 05 2003 09:33 Legionnaire wrote:
Ever)P(Ssun 338-346!!!!! (guy i played 2nd rnd itv)

lets say a player does 100 vs boxer who does 250, now in a battle lets say both do the exact amount of commands, well since boxer did his 2.5x faster, he gets to go back to his base and make more tanks, and 4 scvs from his 2 cc, and build 1 more fact and send the idle scvs to mine ALL the while the other player is still doing the same commands boxer did, so boxer's econ/macro will be more efficient than the other guys, but there is also the idea that boxer gets to spend 2.5x MORE into microing than the other guy while having equal macro with the opponent, imagine that? and everything else inbetween~ okok i think thats good :o

On May 05 2003 17:35 Funktion wrote:


That example doesn't work. You say the exact amount of commands. Sure thats true that if they have to do the exact same amount then boxer will win. But of course it doesn't work like that. Lets say instead that both have equal knowledge, skills etc. Now both will click on a Factory and build a tank. But instead of sitting doing nothing like the 100 click player, Boxer will click the fax 80 times or his cc 80 times or whatever. Thus having a higher act/min rate but still doing exactly the same. There is a minimum act/min level (I would say maybe around 100-120) where you can still do exactly the same as someone with a act/min level of 200+ because after the 100-120 anything else is redundant clicking and doesn't actually effect the gameplay.

On May 05 2003 13:58 ImaGe wrote:
I got a rep where Nada has 375 actions/min.... :O

Yes, but above 250 it does make a difference.

On May 05 2003 19:37 Strafe[iR] wrote:
its useless to click nothing and select units over and over and hotkey ur building 50 times, it has nothing to do with speed but with useless clicking

On May 05 2003 19:34 ZyPhReX wrote:
You're so smart

On May 05 2003 17:08 Hydrone wrote:
lol, i felt overwhelmed when you said that almost no toss players go above 200. And also the fact that two toss players are arrang and reach. I always used to argue that its the players fault not the race. I was so right :O. Reach won Ongamenet and Arrang is also very good, i used them for expamples to prove my point that protoss race is not *noobie* ANd they where the only ones over 200. now flame me plz~

On May 05 2003 19:46 nEph^Destroyer wrote:
ntt dont have that much cuz he didnt used keyboard that much as korean progamers

On May 05 2003 17:08 Hydrone wrote:
lol, i felt overwhelmed when you said that almost no toss players go above 200. And also the fact that two toss players are arrang and reach. I always used to argue that its the players fault not the race. I was so right :O. Reach won Ongamenet and Arrang is also very good, i used them for expamples to prove my point that protoss race is not *noobie* ANd they where the only ones over 200. now flame me plz~

On May 05 2003 21:55 TaKnEmDwn wrote:
MINES 60 ALSO :\ Why is it so bad tehehe :\

On May 06 2003 00:53 S(O)ME(O)NE wrote:
Where do you get the program somebody give me the link please!

On May 05 2003 19:37 Strafe[iR] wrote:
its useless to click nothing and select units over and over and hotkey ur building 50 times, it has nothing to do with speed but with useless clicking

On May 06 2003 14:17 iloveoo wrote:
napro is v-gundam's younger brother , no?

On May 06 2003 17:18 iloveoo wrote:
if by Marine you mean TheMarine --> lol

he's about 300 (a bit less)
Plz check games that actually matter (ie live) , not when they aren't trying

On May 06 2003 20:38 nArAnjO wrote:
no, im prolly the slowest of you all that's cuz i only clic ONCE for everything, probes just once to mineral, scout just once, Move attack just once, gee i never do useless clics but i manage just fine =]

On May 06 2003 21:33 Roman wrote:
MPXMX your understanding of the game is at a low level. When making a unit move, instead of clicking back once, you click it 5 times, that greatly increases ur click spead, but however does nothing for your gameplay.

On May 06 2003 21:31 MPXMX wrote:
Also, with respect to Nazgul, I don't intend to hurt his feelings, but how many times do you think Nazgul will win out of 10 against Nada, or Chojja, in a serious game? (Let me answer this, I may be wrong, but I think I'm not, (1-3/10 at best)

Does that mean he's stupid?

On May 07 2003 19:02 baal wrote:
Dudley did chated on WDT and here is the proof...

Dudley vs liquid.ninja WDT ladder = 132
Dudley vs VeG[Pg]= 264

132 to 264... impossible -_-

On May 07 2003 20:53 Strafe[iR] wrote:
well i tried it myself
i can be quite fast becuz in one game i tried to get as much actions as possible I got over 250, when i try to win i have like 110-130;/
but <b>i assume</b> dudey played normal in his wdt laddergames and his best in wdt finals and then you really cant explain going from 130 to 260+
even when you play alot less serious you dont speed up twice when you do play serious

On May 08 2003 07:36 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
(HEHE, nope.)

On May 08 2003 09:11 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

On May 08 2003 09:11 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

On May 08 2003 12:03 marines12 wrote:
It is quite easy, why protoss have less apm.
Look: when zerg trains hydralisk, he selects hatchery (1act), selects larcae (1 act) and hatches (1 act).
When Protoss trains, he has to make only 2 act. (no larvae)
That is why zerg have higher apm.

On May 07 2003 20:56 Shockey wrote:
dudey went 130 to 260? most of his games were 300 which is even more impossible. hed have to go from 2 actions a second to 5. not even realistic. unless he can honestly say he hasnt tried since he got bw which is ignorant to believe.

On May 09 2003 03:51 Element)FrEaK wrote:
its not as hard as you all think to speed up to being that fast.

I recently began trying to speed up my hands and in the bast 3 weeks i went up 120 APM, and im not talking 60 to 180 or anything. I'm talking 170 to 290. If you actually try to speed up it really isnt THAT difficult. You just have to try and learn how to do it, and then apply it to your game and make it effective.

The speed isnt proof get over it.

On May 09 2003 07:33 Keanu_Reaver wrote:
Freak isn't USA, and Dudey is fastest in USA with 300 yo!

On May 08 2003 17:16 Anselan wrote:
Move Action: when you order a unit to move by either using the bottom right hand button or right clicking on the map.

Special Move: Either assigning a rally point or having your units move because of a rally point, not sure which.

Hotkey: pressing one of the number keys (and maybe the F keys, not sure though).

Select: selecting units with the mouse.

Train Action: whenever an attempt to make a unit is made, either via a letter key or one of the visual buttons.

Casper mentioned after that that sieging, stimpack etc are special moves.

well... i'd really like someone who actually knows what the definitions mean ot explain them. stimpack and siege and such are defintely not special moves; they are mentioned separately in the graph. i can tell exactly how many times i sieged up and went back to tank mode.

if hotkey counts only the use of number keys that is very strange. cause the letters are officially called hotkeys.

if a special move would be a unit moving cause of a rally point???!! apm would mean less then it does now. i guess ATTACK-MOVE is one of the special moves, just like PATROL and such but i am not sure.

Select: also includes clicking on buildings and probably everything possible to select. but do you get a select when you select by using the control group bound too it?

im getting the impression that no one here knows what hes talking about. prove me wrong please.

On May 09 2003 21:15 Element)FrEaK wrote:
Keanu, you forget, only pros are allowed to have fast hands, its illegal for us to T_T

On May 09 2003 23:59 PaleMan wrote:

APM = nothing

Get over it.

thx

thx

On May 10 2003 01:08 Element)FrEaK wrote:
but then a pro obviously played for me right?

actually, i'll be honest, I got ilnp to play for me.

On May 10 2003 02:27 DV8 wrote:
APM only shows how fast someone is, now can they use their speed to benefit their gameplay is what I wanna know.

On May 10 2003 02:12 MPXMX wrote:
PaleMan, please take your negativity elsewhere.
.....
If you deny that, you're a dumbass.