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Croatia9500 Posts
haha, this is pretty cool.
hopefully you update this after each season and see who progressed the most!
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On September 15 2012 01:39 2Pacalypse- wrote: haha, this is pretty cool.
hopefully you update this after each season and see who progressed the most! smells like powerrank >.>
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Croatia9500 Posts
On September 15 2012 01:44 greenelve wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 01:39 2Pacalypse- wrote: haha, this is pretty cool.
hopefully you update this after each season and see who progressed the most! smells like powerrank >.> but powerrank is based on opinions, this is based on facts!
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I feel bad for the 0 10 guy !...
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Yeah, back in Season 7 which was like 3 or 4 years ago
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Canada8031 Posts
On September 15 2012 01:38 ninini wrote: I think it's a bit misleading. The players who have played a lot are overly favored/disfavored. There's also a few WO games in there. With such a low amount of games, looking at winrates seems more meaningful. Any statistic stemming from a low sample rate is flawed. Changing the metric doesn't make the results more accurate.
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On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it. Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl. Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
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On September 15 2012 01:57 Sentenal wrote:Yeah, back in Season 7 which was like 3 or 4 years ago You're right. Going undefeated as protoss and then switching to Zerg and dropping only one game so far is definitely D+ calibre play.
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C back then was like B- now... Also, once C -> always at least C.
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On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it. Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl. Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
I don't think you realise how much nerves and metagame affect your performance, and preparation is something that doesn't get accounted for on ladder games. Clearly Jangbi shouldn't have won the last OSL, and Fantasy shouldn't have beaten Flash, oh and given Bisu's record in PL he should have gotten past prelims (with an all zerg lineup) but he didn't.
For example, I don't get nervous at all during my games. I vs these players on ladder, and I find the same players significantly easier to beat in DRTL.
Also please don't start a flamewar.
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Great job Birdie! Looking forward to the website
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On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it. Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl. Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels. All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"
Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler +
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On September 15 2012 03:04 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it. Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl. Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels. All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!" Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler + Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).
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On September 15 2012 02:50 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it. Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl. Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels. I don't think you realise how much nerves and metagame affect your performance, and preparation is something that doesn't get accounted for on ladder games. Clearly Jangbi shouldn't have won the last OSL, and Fantasy shouldn't have beaten Flash, oh and given Bisu's record in PL he should have gotten past prelims (with an all zerg lineup) but he didn't. For example, I don't get nervous at all during my games. I vs these players on ladder, and I find the same players significantly easier to beat in DRTL. Also please don't start a flamewar. Most people who aren't the "only D+ players" agree with me. I realise how much nerves affect play because I've been in those situations several times... I'm not sure if you remember Me vs Aeghrur in DRIT 2, but essentially, I chalk that victory up to him not keeping his composure (hence the 5 pool in game 5).
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On September 15 2012 03:38 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 03:04 Sentenal wrote:On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it. Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl. Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels. All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!" Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler + Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it). Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you?
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On September 15 2012 03:40 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 03:38 Eywa- wrote:On September 15 2012 03:04 Sentenal wrote:On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it. Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl. Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels. All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!" Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler + Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it). Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you? You mean players who played in 2 CWs each in DRTL1? The deciding games were won by myself and Nikon (I'm sure TAKK can confirm this ).
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On September 15 2012 03:40 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 03:38 Eywa- wrote:On September 15 2012 03:04 Sentenal wrote:On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it. Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl. Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels. All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!" Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler + Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it). Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you?
oh man why so hard with bm in gambit cup T_T
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On September 15 2012 03:43 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 03:40 Sentenal wrote:On September 15 2012 03:38 Eywa- wrote:On September 15 2012 03:04 Sentenal wrote:On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it. Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl. Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels. All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!" Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler + Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it). Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you? oh man why so hard with bm in gambit cup T_T He's spewing false information. I was kicked for bming the league organizer Something I haven't been too ban happy on in GC .
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