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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9540 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 16:40:06
September 14 2012 16:39 GMT
#21
haha, this is pretty cool.

hopefully you update this after each season and see who progressed the most!
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
September 14 2012 16:44 GMT
#22
On September 15 2012 01:39 2Pacalypse- wrote:
haha, this is pretty cool.

hopefully you update this after each season and see who progressed the most!

smells like powerrank >.>
z0r.de for your daily madness /// Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? The Shadow knows!
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9540 Posts
September 14 2012 16:46 GMT
#23
On September 15 2012 01:44 greenelve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 01:39 2Pacalypse- wrote:
haha, this is pretty cool.

hopefully you update this after each season and see who progressed the most!

smells like powerrank >.>

but powerrank is based on opinions, this is based on facts!
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
September 14 2012 16:50 GMT
#24
I feel bad for the 0 10 guy !...
Tekken ProGamer
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 14 2012 16:57 GMT
#25
On September 15 2012 01:36 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
artanis[xp] is c rank....
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/Artanis[Xp].html

Yeah, back in Season 7 which was like 3 or 4 years ago
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8035 Posts
September 14 2012 17:01 GMT
#26
On September 15 2012 01:38 ninini wrote:
I think it's a bit misleading. The players who have played a lot are overly favored/disfavored. There's also a few WO games in there. With such a low amount of games, looking at winrates seems more meaningful.

Any statistic stemming from a low sample rate is flawed. Changing the metric doesn't make the results more accurate.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
September 14 2012 17:03 GMT
#27
On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote:
No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.

Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.

Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 17:05:06
September 14 2012 17:04 GMT
#28
On September 15 2012 01:57 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 01:36 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
artanis[xp] is c rank....
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/Artanis[Xp].html

Yeah, back in Season 7 which was like 3 or 4 years ago

You're right. Going undefeated as protoss and then switching to Zerg and dropping only one game so far is definitely D+ calibre play.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
mSj[uRound]
Profile Joined May 2010
Latvia75 Posts
September 14 2012 17:17 GMT
#29
C back then was like B- now... Also, once C -> always at least C.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 14 2012 17:49 GMT
#30
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 18:06:02
September 14 2012 17:50 GMT
#31
On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote:
No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.

Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.

Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.


I don't think you realise how much nerves and metagame affect your performance, and preparation is something that doesn't get accounted for on ladder games. Clearly Jangbi shouldn't have won the last OSL, and Fantasy shouldn't have beaten Flash, oh and given Bisu's record in PL he should have gotten past prelims (with an all zerg lineup) but he didn't.

For example, I don't get nervous at all during my games. I vs these players on ladder, and I find the same players significantly easier to beat in DRTL.

Also please don't start a flamewar.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 14 2012 18:00 GMT
#32
Great job Birdie! Looking forward to the website
Jaedong.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 18:19:25
September 14 2012 18:04 GMT
#33
On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote:
No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.

Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.

Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.

All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"

Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 14 2012 18:36 GMT
#34
^rofl
Jaedong.
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
September 14 2012 18:38 GMT
#35
On September 15 2012 03:04 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:
On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote:
No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.

Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.

Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.

All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"

Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
September 14 2012 18:40 GMT
#36
On September 15 2012 02:50 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:
On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote:
No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.

Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.

Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.


I don't think you realise how much nerves and metagame affect your performance, and preparation is something that doesn't get accounted for on ladder games. Clearly Jangbi shouldn't have won the last OSL, and Fantasy shouldn't have beaten Flash, oh and given Bisu's record in PL he should have gotten past prelims (with an all zerg lineup) but he didn't.

For example, I don't get nervous at all during my games. I vs these players on ladder, and I find the same players significantly easier to beat in DRTL.

Also please don't start a flamewar.

Most people who aren't the "only D+ players" agree with me. I realise how much nerves affect play because I've been in those situations several times... I'm not sure if you remember Me vs Aeghrur in DRIT 2, but essentially, I chalk that victory up to him not keeping his composure (hence the 5 pool in game 5).
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 14 2012 18:40 GMT
#37
On September 15 2012 03:38 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 03:04 Sentenal wrote:
On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:
On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote:
No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.

Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.

Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.

All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"

Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).

Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 18:42:26
September 14 2012 18:41 GMT
#38
On September 15 2012 03:40 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 03:38 Eywa- wrote:
On September 15 2012 03:04 Sentenal wrote:
On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:
On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote:
No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.

Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.

Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.

All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"

Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).

Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you?

You mean players who played in 2 CWs each in DRTL1? The deciding games were won by myself and Nikon (I'm sure TAKK can confirm this ).
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7003 Posts
September 14 2012 18:43 GMT
#39
On September 15 2012 03:40 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 03:38 Eywa- wrote:
On September 15 2012 03:04 Sentenal wrote:
On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:
On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote:
No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.

Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.

Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.

All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"

Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).

Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you?


oh man why so hard with bm in gambit cup T_T
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
September 14 2012 18:45 GMT
#40
On September 15 2012 03:43 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 03:40 Sentenal wrote:
On September 15 2012 03:38 Eywa- wrote:
On September 15 2012 03:04 Sentenal wrote:
On September 15 2012 02:03 Eywa- wrote:
On September 15 2012 01:38 Spazer wrote:
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote:
No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.

Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.

Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.

All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"

Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).

Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you?


oh man why so hard with bm in gambit cup T_T

He's spewing false information. I was kicked for bming the league organizer Something I haven't been too ban happy on in GC .
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
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