Using some code I had lying around, I went through the D Ranks Individual Tournaments and D Ranks Team Leagues, and D Ranks King of the Hill, and created a database with proper ELO rankings. I plan on doing quite a lot more but here's a preview, as it were, of what is to come :D
Please note: There are a few players who had two accounts and I didn't know about them, so the rankings aren't perfectly accurate. Ones I know about are Arya[wOk] being sgs.fantasy and deathterranall, and Slugger[wOk] being sGs.Slugger. However, because of the way it's currently coded, I can't easily go back and change the results, so this will have to do for now. Warning: this is a large image.
No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Im 84th and IU is #23 but that slute cant beat me 1on1 if his life dependent on it. I got the replays we played best out of 10 a few months ago and I won 9 out of 10. I can beat that slute as zerg, toss or terran. Worst BW player in history of BW. Legit D level player though...forever D. I dont know about some of the other guys on top of that list though. Also I know this is some harsh talk, ban worthy but this happens to be a friend of mine and he is used to me shitting on his BW skills.
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
What would be the point of showing a win rate like that?
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.
I think it's a bit misleading. The players who have played a lot are overly favored/disfavored. There's also a few WO games in there. With such a low amount of games, looking at winrates seems more meaningful.
On September 15 2012 01:38 ninini wrote: I think it's a bit misleading. The players who have played a lot are overly favored/disfavored. There's also a few WO games in there. With such a low amount of games, looking at winrates seems more meaningful.
Any statistic stemming from a low sample rate is flawed. Changing the metric doesn't make the results more accurate.
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.
Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.
Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
I don't think you realise how much nerves and metagame affect your performance, and preparation is something that doesn't get accounted for on ladder games. Clearly Jangbi shouldn't have won the last OSL, and Fantasy shouldn't have beaten Flash, oh and given Bisu's record in PL he should have gotten past prelims (with an all zerg lineup) but he didn't.
For example, I don't get nervous at all during my games. I vs these players on ladder, and I find the same players significantly easier to beat in DRTL.
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.
Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"
Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler +
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.
Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"
Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler +
Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.
Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
I don't think you realise how much nerves and metagame affect your performance, and preparation is something that doesn't get accounted for on ladder games. Clearly Jangbi shouldn't have won the last OSL, and Fantasy shouldn't have beaten Flash, oh and given Bisu's record in PL he should have gotten past prelims (with an all zerg lineup) but he didn't.
For example, I don't get nervous at all during my games. I vs these players on ladder, and I find the same players significantly easier to beat in DRTL.
Also please don't start a flamewar.
Most people who aren't the "only D+ players" agree with me. I realise how much nerves affect play because I've been in those situations several times... I'm not sure if you remember Me vs Aeghrur in DRIT 2, but essentially, I chalk that victory up to him not keeping his composure (hence the 5 pool in game 5).
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.
Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"
Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler +
Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).
Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you?
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.
Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"
Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler +
Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).
Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you?
You mean players who played in 2 CWs each in DRTL1? The deciding games were won by myself and Nikon (I'm sure TAKK can confirm this ).
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.
Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"
Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler +
Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).
Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you?
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.
Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"
Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler +
Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).
Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you?
oh man why so hard with bm in gambit cup T_T
He's spewing false information. I was kicked for bming the league organizer Something I haven't been too ban happy on in GC .
Eywa is the epitome of the D+ player, the definition of the bounds of the system, the absolute gap between what is D+ and what is C-, and as that arbiter of this line, he is able to judge without doubt what is above and below it. To those who seek to masquerade as D+ beware, be not better than Eywa, for so shall your facade fall and your true nature revealed!
On September 15 2012 00:02 Eywa- wrote: No surprises in the top players... It'd be interesting to see what their win rates would be if you didn't include games against each other... And by interesting, I mean we all know what it'll look like. I'd just like to actually see it.
Obviously the top players don't lose (or lose rarely) versus non-top players. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the top... This is the entire point of ELO rofl.
Given your response, I doubt that you even understand what you're looking at. These are ELO for players who are supposed to be all of relatively even skill... Don't tell me that the top 8 are D+ and the rest are just D/D-, because that's entirely false. Reason I stated that is if they have a 10-1 record vs players other than other top 8, then they're just walking over D+ players. The point of it isn't to show anything that people don't already know. It's to reinforce their cowardice to move onto ASL/YSL level without leaving their training wheels.
All I'm hearing is a rank #59 guy crying that he got beat by several "top" players (some of them doing so with scouts), and is trying to say "Well if I didn't get beat by them, I'd be higher!"
Actually, I thought about it some, and you are right. To express my change of heart, I decided to correct that chart, just for you: + Show Spoiler +
Considering that my team won DRTL and that I came to the final 4 of DRIT 2 (losing by W.O)... I obviously am obviously not trying to get the league more balanced for myself (especially given I don't even play in it).
Weren't you carried on the same DRTL S1 team as the #1 and #3 player? Didn't you get ejected from DRTL for BMing your opponents after they beat you?
oh man why so hard with bm in gambit cup T_T
He's spewing false information. I was kicked for bming the league organizer Something I haven't been too ban happy on in GC .
Here is what happened.
One week, Eywa had to play Babo. Babo defeated him. Because Eywa is the perfect D+ player, anyone capable of beating him therefore has to be C-. So he BMed Babo. A few weeks later, he played me. I crushed him with relative ease, and he decided to float his buildings to different corners of the map, all the while BMing me, so I built scouts. Thus, after these two, and quiet possibly more, BM encounters, Nikon banned him from the league.
Why are people still responding to Eywa- anyways? I thought that everyone knew by now that the majority of the posts he makes are intentionally inflammatory. By responding you throw more logs into the flame. He made a post saying that he and I are equal in skill; every time he whines about people being far and above him stats or skill-wise in the same league as him, please remind him that he simply chooses the most potentially inflammatory thing to say in any situation and throws it in there, because I most certainly am one of the players he is mentioning (he has cried about this MULTIPLE times). The hypocrisy is astounding.
And no, correction, Eywa- was banned from DRTL2 for lifting buildings and going afk in-game, and general BM both in the thread and otherwise. For someone who seems to be so devoted to maintaining community integrity, he has certainly displayed some of the worst behavior -_-; So please, can we all ignore him now?
@Birdie: I think you should include other D-rank-affiliated events as well. I'll be honest, after 3-0'ing Shuruken for third place in DRIT1 I feel I deserve the top spot xD Speaking of, have you factored 3rd/4th place results into the equation?
On September 15 2012 04:16 Jealous wrote: Why are people still responding to Eywa- anyways? I thought that everyone knew by now that the majority of the posts he makes are intentionally inflammatory. By responding you throw more logs into the flame. He made a post saying that he and I are equal in skill; every time he whines about people being far and above him stats or skill-wise in the same league as him, please remind him that he simply chooses the most potentially inflammatory thing to say in any situation and throws it in there, because I most certainly am one of the players he is mentioning (he has cried about this MULTIPLE times). The hypocrisy is astounding.
And no, correction, Eywa- was banned from DRTL2 for lifting buildings and going afk in-game, and general BM both in the thread and otherwise. For someone who seems to be so devoted to maintaining community integrity, he has certainly displayed some of the worst behavior -_-; So please, can we all ignore him now?
@Birdie: I think you should include other D-rank-affiliated events as well. I'll be honest, after 3-0'ing Shuruken for third place in DRIT1 I feel I deserve the top spot xD Speaking of, have you factored 3rd/4th place results into the equation?
On July 21 2012 06:33 CobaltBlu wrote: We have 38 players signed up so far barring me kicking someone out for trying to smurf in. If you end up signing up late you should keep paying attention because there's a high chance some people won't be active for groups or will drop out.
We're planning on having the winner of this play a showmatch with Babo.
So Babo's playing himself??
Pebble and I felt that Babo had advanced beyond what it meant to play in this league and he was gracious enough to accept that decision. He and I want him to be able to participate in some way though so we'll have a showmatch at the end!
Other than that, given that I did more for the original DRTL than anyone except for Cobalt in terms oh hyping the league... I'd say your statement is pretty accurate, I am not indeed trying to improve things, but trying to tear them down for god knows what reason... I guess that somehow benefits me? I've been addressing the issue of a decreasing player count while your pals have been the ones flaming me. Every time someone posts a new idea in a DRTL thread or posts their opinion on a player, they are instantly hounded down by the same people every time.
On September 15 2012 04:16 Jealous wrote: Why are people still responding to Eywa- anyways? I thought that everyone knew by now that the majority of the posts he makes are intentionally inflammatory. By responding you throw more logs into the flame. He made a post saying that he and I are equal in skill; every time he whines about people being far and above him stats or skill-wise in the same league as him, please remind him that he simply chooses the most potentially inflammatory thing to say in any situation and throws it in there, because I most certainly am one of the players he is mentioning (he has cried about this MULTIPLE times). The hypocrisy is astounding.
And no, correction, Eywa- was banned from DRTL2 for lifting buildings and going afk in-game, and general BM both in the thread and otherwise. For someone who seems to be so devoted to maintaining community integrity, he has certainly displayed some of the worst behavior -_-; So please, can we all ignore him now?
@Birdie: I think you should include other D-rank-affiliated events as well. I'll be honest, after 3-0'ing Shuruken for third place in DRIT1 I feel I deserve the top spot xD Speaking of, have you factored 3rd/4th place results into the equation?
I think it's a bit misleading. The players who have played a lot are overly favored/disfavored. There's also a few WO games in there. With such a low amount of games, looking at winrates seems more meaningful.
Think of this as an 'alpha' release; there will be a lot of improvement with the next one. The players who have played a lot are more accurately represented than other players. There are no WO wins (that I know of).
I included all the players who competed in DRTL seasons 1, 2, and 3, and DRIT seasons 1, 2, and 3. I may include TheShimmy's competition too; I didn't notice it was D level only,
Thanks for making the thread, very interesting stats, especially for D rank players. As far as the border between d/c players is concerned, there are for sure some who are C- (so over D rank), but whatever, why is everyone so uptight about it. =/ This just gives everyone the motivation to improve and have fun. #168 for the win. :D
Disappointment I am not even on here idra is still on the BW TLPD.... anyone remember Squishy the guy who did not let Nagisama qualify for DRTL? and The 3 gate zealot build lol! Losing to TL-Tyrant with Lurker Drops... but sexy games... guess not I don't exist. I have played as Squishy sGs.Squishy and PuMa[wOk]
On September 15 2012 07:24 1a2a3a[MB] wrote: Disappointment I am not even on here idra is still on the BW TLPD.... anyone remember Squishy the guy who did not let Nagisama qualify for DRTL? and The 3 gate zealot build lol! Losing to TL-Tyrant with Lurker Drops... but sexy games... guess not I don't exist. I have played as Squishy sGs.Squishy and PuMa[wOk]
On September 15 2012 07:24 1a2a3a[MB] wrote: Disappointment I am not even on here idra is still on the BW TLPD.... anyone remember Squishy the guy who did not let Nagisama qualify for DRTL? and The 3 gate zealot build lol! Losing to TL-Tyrant with Lurker Drops... but sexy games... guess not I don't exist. I have played as Squishy sGs.Squishy and PuMa[wOk]
On September 15 2012 07:24 1a2a3a[MB] wrote: Disappointment I am not even on here idra is still on the BW TLPD.... anyone remember Squishy the guy who did not let Nagisama qualify for DRTL? and The 3 gate zealot build lol! Losing to TL-Tyrant with Lurker Drops... but sexy games... guess not I don't exist. I have played as Squishy sGs.Squishy and PuMa[wOk]
There are a lot of games missing from what I could see, some people from my team (like sGs.Gorg/georgetheman) are missing many games from the list. Like Birdie said, this is the Alpha version!
On September 15 2012 07:24 1a2a3a[MB] wrote: Disappointment I am not even on here idra is still on the BW TLPD.... anyone remember Squishy the guy who did not let Nagisama qualify for DRTL? and The 3 gate zealot build lol! Losing to TL-Tyrant with Lurker Drops... but sexy games... guess not I don't exist. I have played as Squishy sGs.Squishy and PuMa[wOk]
Thanks for taking the time to look through all the tournament threads and wiki pages and put everything together like this. I know it wasn't easy and was quite time consuming. Really cool to see how all the players end up stacking up.
Hopefully once you get everything put together it will be easier to maintain and other people can help out somehow.
Just a quick post to defend myself: Yes, I went 12-0 in the season before the current one. Yes, I did switch race after a bunch of weeks. It wasn't because the games were too easy, it was because I was getting tired of playing protoss. If you look at the replays of a bunch of the games, you'll see that a lot of those games were won by luck. It's a small sample size. Also, in the current season I'm currently 1-2. I was just very lucky in the previous season.
On September 15 2012 00:18 WandS wrote: Well done! I've always wanted to see a foreigner ELO Ranks chart.
the fatal flaw being that it's ranked at the bottom of the skills spectrum thus impossible to gauge accurate ELO as these guys have vastly different levels of talent.
On September 15 2012 00:18 WandS wrote: Well done! I've always wanted to see a foreigner ELO Ranks chart.
the fatal flaw being that it's ranked at the bottom of the skills spectrum thus impossible to gauge accurate ELO as these guys have vastly different levels of talent.
The ELOs are accurate within the group of players being ranked. ELO ranks are a ranking base on how skilled you are compared to other people in the same ranking system, so when I make the iCCup ranking spider, players ranked like this will have different ELOs from their iCCup ELOs.
On September 15 2012 00:18 WandS wrote: Well done! I've always wanted to see a foreigner ELO Ranks chart.
the fatal flaw being that it's ranked at the bottom of the skills spectrum thus impossible to gauge accurate ELO as these guys have vastly different levels of talent.
The ELOs are accurate within the group of players being ranked. ELO ranks are a ranking base on how skilled you are compared to other people in the same ranking system, so when I make the iCCup ranking spider, players ranked like this will have different ELOs from their iCCup ELOs.
My ICC ELO is absolute shit lol
Just for the record. I've been wondering about this; the fact that some of the people I beat regularly have consistently higher ICCup rankings... I think it means that because of the small sample size in TL DR players, the people who are the best simply seem that way because of various X factors but mostly because we have a decent filter for people who start at D but are actually higher, people who smurf, etc. So while I may be #2 Elo in TL DR, I am not even close to being a solid C- player on ICCup.
EDIT: I know that I am guilty of this, but is Elo not a name and thus has to be capitalized as such, not an abbreviation like E.L.O. would be? Too drunk to wiki but yea we should educate ourselves ^^
Now that crtl is dead, I don't really see any issue with C- players being in DRTL. C- is still rather low level and they have nowhere else to go. Is shuryuken the top atm? Wow props to him, I met him when he was first switching over. I could tell from the get go that he had a good mentality but I had no idea that he would improve this rapidly. That is really impressive.
On September 15 2012 00:18 WandS wrote: Well done! I've always wanted to see a foreigner ELO Ranks chart.
the fatal flaw being that it's ranked at the bottom of the skills spectrum thus impossible to gauge accurate ELO as these guys have vastly different levels of talent.
The ELOs are accurate within the group of players being ranked. ELO ranks are a ranking base on how skilled you are compared to other people in the same ranking system, so when I make the iCCup ranking spider, players ranked like this will have different ELOs from their iCCup ELOs.
My ICC ELO is absolute shit lol
Just for the record. I've been wondering about this; the fact that some of the people I beat regularly have consistently higher ICCup rankings... I think it means that because of the small sample size in TL DR players, the people who are the best simply seem that way because of various X factors but mostly because we have a decent filter for people who start at D but are actually higher, people who smurf, etc. So while I may be #2 Elo in TL DR, I am not even close to being a solid C- player on ICCup.
EDIT: I know that I am guilty of this, but is Elo not a name and thus has to be capitalized as such, not an abbreviation like E.L.O. would be? Too drunk to wiki but yea we should educate ourselves ^^
iCCup doesn't use ELO. Yes, Elo is a name but normally it's capitalized for no particular reason iCCup is just a bad ranking system, if you play lots of games you get higher on the rankings basically.
On September 15 2012 00:18 WandS wrote: Well done! I've always wanted to see a foreigner ELO Ranks chart.
the fatal flaw being that it's ranked at the bottom of the skills spectrum thus impossible to gauge accurate ELO as these guys have vastly different levels of talent.
The ELOs are accurate within the group of players being ranked. ELO ranks are a ranking base on how skilled you are compared to other people in the same ranking system, so when I make the iCCup ranking spider, players ranked like this will have different ELOs from their iCCup ELOs.
I'm saying it's a D rank league so they have gotten D+ max on iccup, we all know that there are many cases of people who play for fun and exceed that yet have no desire to play ladder for whatever reason. Hence, you get many people who are D- vs people who are roughly C-/C and they are all in the same "ELO rank".
edit: good job on the formulations though, I am just saying that it's hard to keep the ELO in perspective to the skill range of the players in the league.
The funny thing here is, my record is shown to be 0-1. I'm pretty sure I've lost a lot more games than that (if indeed these stats also include Season #1 and #2) :D
PS: It's been about 9 months since I last played the game, so I presume my old stats were the ones used here. Still, I distinctly recall that I lost AT LEAST 7 games. :O
On September 20 2012 04:50 Raii wrote: The funny thing here is, my record is shown to be 0-1. I'm pretty sure I've lost a lot more games than that (if indeed these stats also include Season #1 and #2) :D
PS: It's been about 9 months since I last played the game, so I presume my old stats were the ones used here. Still, I distinctly recall that I lost AT LEAST 7 games. :O
Unfortunately I don't have all the results as some weeks weren't recorded publicly or clearly.
Just so everyone knows, the coding of the new ranking system is going well, and there may be a version of it out in a couple of weeks.
Do you have already plans how frequently the ranking will be updated and will older points slowly fade away? kinda like tennis or the kespa ranking
And i have to say, maybe its a repeat, this ranking is awesome and will motivate people to play better and more. ^^x (in collaboration with all the leagues and tournemants for D Ranks happening and going up lately)
On September 20 2012 07:45 greenelve wrote: Do you have already plans how frequently the ranking will be updated and will older points slowly fade away? kinda like tennis or the kespa ranking
And i have to say, maybe its a repeat, this ranking is awesome and will motivate people to play better and more. ^^x (in collaboration with all the leagues and tournemants for D Ranks happening and going up lately)
This current system won't be updated at all. That's just a preview of better things to come :D I'm currently coding the better system, which should update weekly. And yes, points will fade away over time under the new system.
On September 20 2012 07:45 greenelve wrote: Do you have already plans how frequently the ranking will be updated and will older points slowly fade away? kinda like tennis or the kespa ranking
And i have to say, maybe its a repeat, this ranking is awesome and will motivate people to play better and more. ^^x (in collaboration with all the leagues and tournemants for D Ranks happening and going up lately)
This current system won't be updated at all. That's just a preview of better things to come :D I'm currently coding the better system, which should update weekly. And yes, points will fade away over time under the new system.
On September 20 2012 04:50 Raii wrote: The funny thing here is, my record is shown to be 0-1. I'm pretty sure I've lost a lot more games than that (if indeed these stats also include Season #1 and #2) :D
PS: It's been about 9 months since I last played the game, so I presume my old stats were the ones used here. Still, I distinctly recall that I lost AT LEAST 7 games. :O
Unfortunately I don't have all the results as some weeks weren't recorded publicly or clearly.
Just so everyone knows, the coding of the new ranking system is going well, and there may be a version of it out in a couple of weeks.
Either way, you did a marvelous job. Keep up the good work!
Yeah sorry it's still coming, I'll be doing a full iCCup re-ranking using this style so you can see everyone correctly ranked, which is much more accurate of course. But it won't be for at least a month, because of how busy I am and also because I'll need to learn a new language to code it more efficiently than my current method.
No problem, take your time, dont hurry bro. But its good to hear its not forgotten and it will get an update.
ps: yo pebble444 didnt saw you on iccup..sometimes i forget im still in broodwar, better way is to contact me at skype when im not reacting ingame: sgs group, d ranks group, skype starleague group, im in there and have an eye on it when im not ingame
On December 07 2012 10:58 Birdie wrote: Yeah sorry it's still coming, I'll be doing a full iCCup re-ranking using this style so you can see everyone correctly ranked, which is much more accurate of course. But it won't be for at least a month, because of how busy I am and also because I'll need to learn a new language to code it more efficiently than my current method.
On December 07 2012 10:58 Birdie wrote: Yeah sorry it's still coming, I'll be doing a full iCCup re-ranking using this style so you can see everyone correctly ranked, which is much more accurate of course. But it won't be for at least a month, because of how busy I am and also because I'll need to learn a new language to code it more efficiently than my current method.
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