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On September 08 2012 20:17 BookTwo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
We've touched on a pretty big issue. It can't really be solved unless we get:
1 More viewers.
2 More sponsors
3 More money
4 More tournaments
5 More players
and more stuff in general. It is a vicious cycle. And like it has been said, it is quite unlikely we will ever see the level of activity in Brood War that we saw prior to SC2 again.
But. What we can do is appreciate the scene we have now. The guys who play in GC are insanely talented. Sziky played against koreans for goodness sake. These guys are good. We can still appreciate the high level of brood war that gets played. But we won't have proleague, or osl or msl.
It is a bitter pill to swallow but I can't help but feel like some of you guys are living with some false hope it'll all come back.
Watch Gambits Cup (it's amazing). Watch ThSL. Watch ASL. Watch the incredible streams we have (dewalt currently pounding some Chinese players. Go play it yourself. But whatever you do, don't complain.
Yep! This is the right attitude, I do have some optimism for a lot more involvement with the chinese and korean scenes, the language barrier is a problem though.
BookTwo's new Vod site is a great step towards a centralised place for bw vods, a minus is that not everyone can contribute though. We could create a thread similar to the Small Vod Thread which would be strictly moderated to keep clear from spam. And everytime it gets bumped you get reminded to check out some new matches you might have missed.
Some volunteers could perhaps be rounded up to help with the documentation of leagues, like updating R&S threads, uploading vods etc. I imagine it gets stressful to manage a league all by yourself. I don't have a stable internet at the moment and a shitload of school stuff going on but in two weeks I'm game if anyone needs help with something.
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On September 08 2012 18:08 Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:30 Gecko[Xp] wrote:On September 08 2012 05:10 Game wrote:On September 08 2012 00:27 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
Nowadays we need money, tons of text, an image here and there and hope it'll make it better. Are you implying that these don't make it better? The way they're used now make it worse. A giant artificial hype around an agenda based event with no further information - that's today's standard. Most of these are updated for about the first 50%, then stuff gets completely ignored and the ordinary viewer/user has a hard time to follow. There are other events that use money for low level players - I honestly don't get why the people that still play (after 2++ years of a dead foreign scene) need 100$++ to get their asses up to play or do anything remotely productive. I get that this makes stuff more interesting, but it shouldn't be the only motivation (which it seems to be) for the players / organizers. A huge prize pool doesn't mean it'll be a good tournament. A big banner and three pages of badly phrased rules don't guarantee overview. This is stuff you organize to support the event, not to artificially hype something that would not work otherwise. Huh? I think you just insulted the work of a lot of people and even random low level players with no reason at all. High prizepool doesn't guarantee a good tournament but so does nothing else, really. How does the prizepool harm it? If anything, if there's an apparent input of effort from a lot of people, it shows that people do care about the tournament and want to make it good. How you manage to deduce that the players in the tourney are lazy money-seeking worms from a prizepool is completely beyond me. Just because you're an active contributor (and a great one if I may say so) doesn't mean you can go about insulting random people and their work like that.
Then please explain to me why the C ranked players need 200$++ to get a tournament going? I mean they can join clans, participate in things like defiler or even random ladder tournaments, yet "this scene needs money". Consequently a lot of bullshit about smurfs appears, can't explain that. Note: I like DRTL / DRIT, but there defenitely are a lot of bad organized tours for players that shouldn't need the money.
I don't say "don't add money", I say "don't forget the game should be fun". You can't replace what made Brood War's community great with money. Look at ThSL and Trozz' tour - they had little to no prizes, but there's a lot more to it. If you don't see the difference I can't help you :/
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I won't explain to you anything because I didn't claim anything like that. You need to explain to me how: Players playing in a tournament with high prizepool = lazy people who need the money "to get their asses up to play or do anything remotely productive."
How are remarks like this in any way helpful or productive? No, I don't think you can help me understand this. It's petty squabbles like this that make the community look bad. We need to be working together and if there's something that you think needs improving, shouting it out like this and insulting random people in the process is not the way to do it.
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viewers go where the good games are, most of the time it are the high level player that make the good games, with that a reputation gets made and people want to put money into it becouse they love it. becouse of the money the players can sustain, this is how bw got made and grew ALOT.
but it had nice player base and lots of people who did put incredable effort or sacrifice for. and we are at this stage, we NEED to have effort put into it. it can be a giant money prizepool, it can be a well run tournement, it can be media coverage, what ever. the format doesn't matter all that much if you don't have a solid base to begin with.
i don't care who you are, but everyone can make a tournement now. there are tons of free software where the tournement gets made, people join, and it will make a bracket automaticly, the only thing you need to have are some ref's this can be done with 1 person for a 16/32 player tournement. the first thing i would put money in is a good stream, and good casters. i will make a example for you guys how to do this (i will make a detailed guide on how to start a tournement)
first go to http://binarybeast.com/ its a site that make generate the bracket for you automaticly,
i give the info on what game i want the tournemt to be hosted in and what time it is going to start, and maby some extra details if i want to
the players are going to sign up, check in and have some fun time playing in their tournement. the winner will upload the replay and can move forward, playing against hes next opponent ect.
so the players are orginezed by the site and there is a ref checking if everything is going correctly. meanwhile there is a caster who live cast or does it from replays that the people can have some bw to watch and thats all:D
the money is a nice way to atract people, but there are PLENTY of player who yust want to play in a tournement for fun or gaining new experiance for a later one. (lets say as a preperation for a C player who has in ASL, he has some more experiance with pressure)
this is a nice and after all EASY way to host tournements. this can be done with and WITHOUT money.
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On September 08 2012 20:17 BookTwo wrote:
We've touched on a pretty big issue. It can't really be solved unless we get:
1 More viewers.
2 More sponsors
3 More money
4 More tournaments
5 More players
I'm pretty sure number 5 is the most important one.
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On September 09 2012 03:47 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 20:17 BookTwo wrote:
We've touched on a pretty big issue. It can't really be solved unless we get:
1 More viewers.
2 More sponsors
3 More money
4 More tournaments
5 More players
I'm pretty sure number 5 is the most important one.
Please don't quote only half of my post.
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To talk about the splitting of VODs: It can be done easily from the streamer. You require xSplit and a paid subscription of it (35$ USD 3-Month) and stream and then do local recording when the game runs and ends. No watching the 4 hour stream and splicing them up. All the VODs are on your computer click-and-drag onto YouTube and your ready to go.
Also, to respond to a user who stated our graphical and technical people are amateur. I'd say that is not the case. HawaiianPig is amazing at the overlays and organization of VODs. He has been doing a long route of splicing the VODs which is true but that is either because he didn't know of said method or he did know if it and knows since he is not streaming he cannot do the local recording method said above.
Hope this helps clear any issues of VODs splicing. It is very simple ~ on the streams end.
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I know about that option, but I'm not smart enough to reliably turn the vod back on 12 times a cast, and having one of the vods gone it the worst of all options. Much better (for me) to cut the vods after.
That's assuming that small vods is the best option. I have heard an equal number of people for each side.
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On September 09 2012 12:28 hacklebeast wrote:
I know about that option, but I'm not smart enough to reliably turn the vod back on 12 times a cast, and having one of the vods gone it the worst of all options. Much better (for me) to cut the vods after.
Same for me. Given the number of times I forgot to even change the player names in my overlay, I'd probably end up with half the VODs missing.
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On September 09 2012 12:28 hacklebeast wrote:
I know about that option, but I'm not smart enough to reliably turn the vod back on 12 times a cast, and having one of the vods gone it the worst of all options. Much better (for me) to cut the vods after.
That's assuming that small vods is the best option. I have heard an equal number of people for each side.
He's saying you can set it to trigger a local recording when the game starts, and end the local recording when the game ends. I just use Twitch TV's highlights feature to split the videos and download/upload the VODs manually, as I don't use Xsplit.
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yes, but if I forget to trigger it as the game starts, then I won't have a local recording for that game.
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I'm wondering the idea for small VODs and the playlist idea, would it be possible for people to upload a set say bo3 but the series is actually a 2-0 now instead of having the replay only have two games upload another game that would say game 3 but its just a video that says "This set has not been played"? (GSL)
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On September 09 2012 13:13 Pucca wrote:
I'm wondering the idea for small VODs and the playlist idea, would it be possible for people to upload a set say bo3 but the series is actually a 2-0 now instead of having the replay only have two games upload another game that would say game 3 but its just a video that says "This set has not been played"? (GSL)
Yes this has been done. However i feel that it is best to have the vods divided in series or bests of, when they are individual its really easy to get spoiled, not only on the final score (and here anti-spoiler vods work great and are a must), but also, if you are watching a hydra bust being attempted and the vod ends a minute after, its not hard to predict how it ends.
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