EPTAlso, I'd like to ask you all to be little more patient. TL hasn't given up on BW just yet
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9571 Posts
Also, I'd like to ask you all to be little more patient. TL hasn't given up on BW just yet | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On September 06 2012 21:48 2Pacalypse- wrote: Eonzerg is right. Community is here. Splitting it between multiple websites will only make things worst. Also, I'd like to ask you all to be little more patient. TL hasn't given up on BW just yet Who's "TL"? From what I've observed for the past 2 months or so, there are individuals - like you - putting in great effort but no support from the site as such - like highlighting BW news or any BW related content be it here or on the facebook page (literally ZERO [maybe 1] bw news), afaik no financial support, pretty much nothing like that except for rare exceptions that I would again assume to be an action of an individual. It's more like the opposite actually, as BW events are often being mislabeled as SC2 and the BW section is gradually descending to the bottom of the page (but still high enough for us to see the ads, yay). Are you saying this might change? I don't see it coming at all, but naturally it would be great. I agree that splitting is not a good idea. All the basic tools that we need are here and a significant number of us follow the other games as well. | ||
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Gben592
United Kingdom281 Posts
But I might be an anomaly ^^ | ||
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RedW4rr10r
Switzerland749 Posts
On September 06 2012 22:29 Stratos wrote: [...] It's more like the opposite actually, as BW events are often being mislabeled as SC2 and the BW section is gradually descending to the bottom of the page (but still high enough for us to see the ads, yay).[...] By default, yes. That's what I've noticed, too. But you can customize your left and right sidebar individually ("customize sidebar") so you can put the BW section to top and other sections to the bottom or remove them completly (so I've done with the sc2 and dota2 section). That might be like a tiny "personal victory" over these other newer games  | ||
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RedW4rr10r
Switzerland749 Posts
On September 06 2012 23:18 Gben592 wrote: Well, if you separate the websites there aren't going to be sc2'ers like me cruising the BW forums and thinking "hmmm, when I start playing games again (UNI) I should check out BW, cos it appears people still play it (and it sounds like a far superior game) :O :D " But I might be an anomaly ^^ BW players are always appreciated to see this kind of sc2 players :D:D | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On September 07 2012 00:16 RedW4rr10r wrote: By default, yes. That's what I've noticed, too. But you can customize your left and right sidebar individually ("customize sidebar") so you can put the BW section to top and other sections to the bottom or remove them completly (so I've done with the sc2 and dota2 section). That might be like a tiny "personal victory" over these other newer games http://i.imgur.com/id35B.png this is my "personal victory"  TL rid of pretty much anything but BW. maybe when displayed like this, it can strike you just how much space BW gets these days.The issue is promotion of the game. The way TL has been dealing with the changes sends a clear message: We will provide what the majority demands (Dota2) and cut on what was once our only lover (BW). ESPORTS/money won in this regard so far, I'd love to see this going in the opposite direction. What's stopping TL from promoting BW? Nothing but the opportunity to gain more by promoting different games. But that's not the TL we used to know. It's not like we can demand anything, it's up those with power. I've gradually lost almost all faith in "TL" though. | ||
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Game
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Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
On September 07 2012 00:25 Stratos wrote: The issue is promotion of the game. The way TL has been dealing with the changes sends a clear message: We will provide what the majority demands (Dota2) and cut on what was once our only lover (BW). ESPORTS/money won in this regard so far, I'd love to see this going in the opposite direction. What's stopping TL from promoting BW? Nothing but the opportunity to gain more by promoting different games. But that's not the TL we used to know. It's not like we can demand anything, it's up those with power. I've gradually lost almost all faith in "TL" though. What BW is there left for TL to promote? The last OSL got plenty of front page coverage, taking up just as much space as any of the SC2 events even though the majority of users had no interest in it. Now that it's over, what exactly do you expect TL to promote? Ribbon's $100 no spire ZvZ tournament? You think that deserves a front page spot next to something like MLG? The requirements for getting BW events featured on the TL calendar is already way lower than getting an SC2 event featured. Similarly the requirements for getting a featured stream doing BW are lower as well (although less clearly defined). I don't really see what else you could expect from TL when there's basically no professional BW left to promote. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On September 07 2012 00:51 Sayle wrote: What BW is there left for TL to promote? The last OSL got plenty of front page coverage, taking up just as much space as any of the SC2 events even though the majority of users had no interest in it. Now that it's over, what exactly do you expect TL to promote? Ribbon's $100 no spire ZvZ tournament? You think that deserves a front page spot next to something like MLG? The requirements for getting BW events featured on the TL calendar is already way lower than getting an SC2 event featured. Similarly the requirements for getting a featured stream doing BW are lower as well (although less clearly defined). I don't really see what else you could expect from TL when there's basically no professional BW left to promote. Easy. The best BW there is. Like the Korean amateur tournaments featuring players like Hiya that we're only now beginning to hear about. Or ISL and GC for the foreign scene. If TL wants to promote BW, they can promote the best BW there is. If they only want to promote what the mass will accept, then yeah there are countless other events that "deserve" coverage instead because a lot more people wants it in the first place and more money is involved. I think it would be supercool to come here in 2 years time and see frequent BW news on the frontpage. Even if just a few of the users click them out of curiousity. Just to show to the world the legacy and that TL is proud of it and supports it no matter what. That TL is different. Instead of simply following the money. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:23 Stratos wrote: Easy. The best BW there is. Like the Korean amateur tournaments featuring players like Hiya that we're only now beginning to hear about. Or ISL and GC for the foreign scene. If TL wants to promote BW, they can promote the best BW there is. If they only want to promote what the mass will accept, then yeah there are countless other events that "deserve" coverage instead because a lot more people wants it in the first place and more money is involved. I think it would be supercool to come here in 2 years time and see frequent BW news on the frontpage. Even if just a few of the users click them out of curiousity. Just to show to the world the legacy and that TL is proud of it and supports it no matter what. That TL is different. Instead of simply following the money. Stratos I know what are you saying buddy, but how much obligation do teamliquid has to deal with bw which is already 14 years old ? . We can push forward that we have the best content in broodwar and yet in the end there is nothing to advertise that will exceed the already popular game that seems to hold the majority of the content publish on this website especially sc2 right now which brings in a lot of viewers to the website . Times changes and the the world within it shape according to it's environment and I am not saying that we should because it's what everyone is doing right now . I bet they are amateur tournaments in korea we haven't yet get any coverage on and I don't expect teamliquid to do any coverage any more at all on these news . However if there are any individual out there who are capable of bringing to us closer to the korean bw scene out there please do .I am still finding something to replace that dying amber with me and right now I find some solace in programing at least it helps me out with my career if I get really good at what I am doing . Last but not least I am thankful for tl.net for being a place where I can share the same interest with players all around the globe that is having the same passion for broodwar . Also 2pacalypse is still around and I bet he isn't going to give up on bw right now . The current popular trend will always pull in more crowd take a look at justin beiber and see the sea of fans just screaming over his songs and I dare you to play Neil Sadaka to current crowd and expect them to appreciate good music. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
There's nothing wrong with the path TL has chosen, but as it stands, it's losing what made it special in the first place and it's becoming sk-gaming 2.0. As the BW and QL news disappeared from SK, so will BW disappear from TL until it becomes an isolated island that nobody cares about as long as it's silent. And it makes perfect sense. All I'm saying is that I personally think it would be supercool from TL if this wouldn't happen. If there would be a smaller TSL.BW accompanying the SC2 tournament. If the best of BW was still being promoted. It would make me feel home here again. :D But naturally nobody gives a shit about how the few of us feel here or if BW dies in a year or in 2 or 10 or never. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
I'm not trying to call people out, but there isn't a good reason (as far as I know) why stuff isn't submited to the calender untill the day of. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7218 Posts
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TheShimmy
United States1808 Posts
Please all organizers use the calendar! | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On September 07 2012 00:37 Game wrote: I agree with what Stratos is saying. It's blindingly apparent, and has been for a while. I also agree with 2pac's first post. I've spent more time looking for updates via VODs etc for most tournaments than I have watching the tournament/investing time in them. I also think this is because of a severe deficit of Liquipedia contributions, so it's only partially on the organizers to receive blame. Anybody can edit LP. That is no excuse for laziness. | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
On September 07 2012 02:22 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: ISL3 got his mainpage . Maybe I missed it, could you link me to that? On September 07 2012 02:35 Gecko[Xp] wrote: Anybody can edit LP. That is no excuse for laziness. You just quoted my post and said the same thing in different words. Let me try that. Guise, LP can be edited by any TL user. We should do that. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7218 Posts
On September 07 2012 02:39 Game wrote: Maybe I missed it, could you link me to that? You just quoted my post and said the same thing in different words. Let me try that. Guise, LP can be edited by any TL user. We should do that. http://altitudeisl.net/index.php/Main_Page i think this count for the goodlook of the event ;; | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
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Game
3191 Posts
On September 07 2012 02:49 Gecko[Xp] wrote: It's way easier to set it up if you have full information and it doesn't take much time for the organizors to add their stuff on their own. Especially your and eywa's events have been hard to add, since you spam a lot of text, but offer only little info. I don't write any of my stuff. | ||
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eeniebear
United States197 Posts
I really think another thing that would help a lot would be to get some production values going. I really doubt that it's very difficult to get bumper videos put together, biographical information on RO16 or RO8 competitors, etc, like they did for Razer and Poker Strategy TSLs. Some hype can go a very long way. And if music copyrights are issues, I can even write and record some music for that kind of stuff. | ||
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