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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On August 06 2012 00:51 Caihead wrote: Recreationally too lol, im a free lancer with out affiliation basically ^-^ Will compile something soon then. Please do! I'm not sure I can help (time and skill wise) and the post of yours doesn't really describe what exactly you need. I'd like to know a few more details before I try to help but make it worse / get hopes up for nothing :/ | ||
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
On August 05 2012 18:46 2Pacalypse- wrote: I wanna cut this right here before it starts spreading any further. It's [ABC], not [ABWC] thank you very much. 'W' is silent. We're such a hardcore BW players that over the years we've developed a habit of calling BW just B, to save time. Example: Player 1: Hey man, wanna play some B? Player 2: Sure, I love B! With that cleared, I wanna point out that we're just providing coverage. We can't make a YouTube and Twitch channel for tournaments we are not organizing. Noted ^_^. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10682 Posts
BW Fighting~ God bless~ | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:15 GGzerG wrote: Nice writeup, I am a believer. I think we need to get CRTL / C ranks individual tournament started again, along side more daily tournaments , it wouldn't be hard, people just need to host them. I think even if it is for free or something as small as 5$ it would be awesome and fun to play in , the problem is that I guess there is never enough players ? But I think that after something amazing like this is released then more people will be interested in playing BW again, I enjoyed reading this and you're guys enthusiasm towards BW, it is great. I will gladly take some time to help with managing something like a CRTL or C ranks individual tournament, I don't have money to provide as a prize incentive but I would be willing to donate gaming mice as a prize for the tournaments to help the cause. BW Fighting~ God bless~ You needed to ship the mouse abroad if it wasn't USA only. That is money again. No idea how expensive that would be USA only. But if you had to pay ~20$ as winner just to get a mouse, it wouldn't really pay off. Also, I don't think the solution is to randomly throw money into tournaments, that's the least acceptable thing, especially for low level tournaments. What originally got me to play Brood War was the fun, no agenda, big prizes or other money based stuff. Just the passion everyone had, the depth of the game and the challenge it was to get only halfway decent. Foreign Brood War survived and had a big amateur scene (speaking of players ranked D/C max), not because there were thousands of $$$ in it. Maybe it's just me being an old grumpy idiot, but I can't figure out what this esports madness should possibly bring other than forced happiness and artificially hyped tours. Do it because you love it, not because you are desperate =/ | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6737 Posts
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:26 Gecko[Xp] wrote: You needed to ship the mouse abroad if it wasn't USA only. That is money again. No idea how expensive that would be USA only. But if you had to pay ~20$ as winner just to get a mouse, it wouldn't really pay off. Also, I don't think the solution is to randomly throw money into tournaments, that's the least acceptable thing, especially for low level tournaments. What originally got me to play Brood War was the fun, no agenda, big prizes or other money based stuff. Just the passion everyone had, the depth of the game and the challenge it was to get only halfway decent. Foreign Brood War survived and had a big amateur scene (speaking of players ranked D/C max), not because there were thousands of $$$ in it. Maybe it's just me being an old grumpy idiot, but I can't figure out what this esports madness should possibly bring other than forced happiness and artificially hyped tours. Do it because you love it, not because you are desperate =/ You're right but from my experience playing in other amateur scenes, without a prize you get a lot of no shows and walkovers. There's lots of excitement for the beginning stages of a tournament but can often end without completion if people see it as a low priority in their schedules since there's no prize. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:26 Gecko[Xp] wrote: You needed to ship the mouse abroad if it wasn't USA only. That is money again. No idea how expensive that would be USA only. But if you had to pay ~20$ as winner just to get a mouse, it wouldn't really pay off. Also, I don't think the solution is to randomly throw money into tournaments, that's the least acceptable thing, especially for low level tournaments. What originally got me to play Brood War was the fun, no agenda, big prizes or other money based stuff. Just the passion everyone had, the depth of the game and the challenge it was to get only halfway decent. Foreign Brood War survived and had a big amateur scene (speaking of players ranked D/C max), not because there were thousands of $$$ in it. Maybe it's just me being an old grumpy idiot, but I can't figure out what this esports madness should possibly bring other than forced happiness and artificially hyped tours. Do it because you love it, not because you are desperate =/ I agree with Gecko. I think that we should limit the amount of money we spend on prizes. No fan likes donating. I think people will still play just for the prestige. | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:39 L3gendary wrote: You're right but from my experience playing in other amateur scenes, without a prize you get a lot of no shows and walkovers. There's lots of excitement for the beginning stages of a tournament but can often end without completion if people see it as a low priority in their schedules since there's no prize. Yes, that's a good point. The community is growing older and people will not show for stuff, because the real life is important. But still, I'd like to have a slight shift in the attitude. The DRTLs gives me a lot of hope, it seems a lot of newer players are competing again and build a sub community of their own. This is the kind of stuff that needs support, too, after all that's where new talents come from. I for one could never really relate to those, that were only sticking around to grab money, even though they displayed great skill sometimes. Edit: I don't want to say that money prized events are bad, the contrary, but it should not be our only and most important goal to finance a handful of top players. A tour with money can be good, but it is not the key to entertainment. | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:26 Gecko[Xp] wrote: You needed to ship the mouse abroad if it wasn't USA only. That is money again. No idea how expensive that would be USA only. But if you had to pay ~20$ as winner just to get a mouse, it wouldn't really pay off. Also, I don't think the solution is to randomly throw money into tournaments, that's the least acceptable thing, especially for low level tournaments. What originally got me to play Brood War was the fun, no agenda, big prizes or other money based stuff. Just the passion everyone had, the depth of the game and the challenge it was to get only halfway decent. Foreign Brood War survived and had a big amateur scene (speaking of players ranked D/C max), not because there were thousands of $$$ in it. Maybe it's just me being an old grumpy idiot, but I can't figure out what this esports madness should possibly bring other than forced happiness and artificially hyped tours. Do it because you love it, not because you are desperate =/ I disagree 10$ weekly a week C tournamets and 20$ weekly A/B tournaments Would be enough people need this kinds of low level tournaments. ISL and Teamleagues are enough to keep high level people who love BW playing. For instance let's say we get a 10$ weekly C and 20$ weekly A/B and that's what 30$ per week and about 1500$ per year now that's not very costly (I'm assuming other things don't cost much, but I don't know). I think we could probably kickstart a weekly tournament for all ranks and then divide them between the tournaments. We could actually do a lot with a kickstarter, but most importantly of all is advertisement and I don't mean the revenue type, but we advertising Brood war to different communities posting an indepth post about BW on community sites such as reddit never hurts as long as you are constructive. Do you know what? If you play lol go to the community site of your choice and post about Brood war in the appropriate section of the forum. Brood war doesn't need massive amounts of numbers to sustain itself, but newblood would be good. I would also try to basically beg Blizzard to release BW on to stream as I explained why in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358115 , but everybody is being negative about it even tho we could theoretically at least try. | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:07 thezanursic wrote: ... Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the efforts everyone makes. More so, when these efforts are real, as in people actually do something. However, this discussion has nothing to do with the thread and I already regret to post something that is more or less completely off topic, that's why I'll stop here and maybe outsource it to a blog or something. All in all, we should appreciate the spirit behind this project and the work 2pac- and the others put in here (just want to point out I didn't really contribute anything so far, all hail 2pac-!), as it shows there's still something to watch and I'm sure the upcoming volumes will bring even more. | ||
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Anomarad
Canada565 Posts
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ZaRaki_
Spain126 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:07 thezanursic wrote: I disagree 10$ weekly a week C tournamets and 20$ weekly A/B tournaments Would be enough people need this kinds of low level tournaments. ISL and Teamleagues are enough to keep high level people who love BW playing. For instance let's say we get a 10$ weekly C and 20$ weekly A/B and that's what 30$ per week and about 1500$ per year now that's not very costly (I'm assuming other things don't cost much, but I don't know). I think we could probably kickstart a weekly tournament for all ranks and then divide them between the tournaments. I think we'll end up with a few different tournament "leagues" with different sources of funding. I think it's reasonable to have A weekly cup with little to no prizepool 12 $100+ tournaments a year (one a month. Game's been sitting on the prize pools for two separate Ribbon tournaments for a while) The ISL. We could, if we wanted to, make the smaller tournaments count for ranking among the bigger ones in some way, and have it be more like a giant neverending tournament. Like, lets say I did a tournament every 3 months, and invited the person who did best in the Defiler Weekly cups since my last tournament. And while my "TvT only but you're only allowed to make 1 factory all game so you can't mech" ideas are silly (and, actually, awesome), a more serious monthly tournament could be used for ISL ranking. This allows the smaller tournaments to have a bit more oomph, because they can help you win the bigger ones. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On August 06 2012 00:53 Gecko[Xp] wrote: Please do! I'm not sure I can help (time and skill wise) and the post of yours doesn't really describe what exactly you need. I'd like to know a few more details before I try to help but make it worse / get hopes up for nothing :/ well everything I have so far is basically compiled in this. Since I'm not "officially" affiliated with any of the groups (TL, plu, 8da, playsc, wfbrood, liansai, or management of the teams etc) I'm not sure how to phrase my requests. Will try to put something together though. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349688 | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:41 puppykiller wrote: I agree with Gecko. I think that we should limit the amount of money we spend on prizes. No fan likes donating. I think people will still play just for the prestige. Well in China most fans do donate, infact most fans would rather donate to fund a prize pool for a tourny than buy merchandise, the C-OSL is entirely funded by donations. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 06 2012 11:03 Caihead wrote: Well in China most fans do donate, infact most fans would rather donate to fund a prize pool for a tourny than buy merchandise, the C-OSL is entirely funded by donations. When I'll secure myself a proper career, I'll gladly support the scene with $1.5K/year. Idk why didn't the actual OSL switched their sponsorship method with Pay Per View method though. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On August 06 2012 12:23 Xiphos wrote: When I'll secure myself a proper career, I'll gladly support the scene with $1.5K/year. Idk why didn't the actual OSL switched their sponsorship method with Pay Per View method though. Let's be inspired by KeSPA's triumphs, and learn from their mistakes. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
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