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StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
August 09 2012 01:05 GMT
#101
Epic OP! Thanks for this!
TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
August 09 2012 01:21 GMT
#102
On August 09 2012 09:58 Game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 09:36 TheShimmy wrote:
I was also thinking about the map situation. I think it needs its own thread. The obvious best way to carry on new, fresh maps is community map tourneys, then infusing those maps into tournaments and leagues, especially the leagues with high level of play (The CSTL, Gambit's Cup, ISL, SRW, etc.)

I hate to be the naysayer here, but there have been multiple threads in the past where an initiative to create new maps was formed. All of them failed due to a combination of old maps by map makers were posted, or rushed and otherwise useless ones having formed, drowning any thoughtful initiatives. If there was going to be a map making effort I personally believe it'd have to be a private matter with a private congregation of map makers and the organizers who would use them. Testing could be easily fulfilled by an organizer or two, and a couple of players.


Game is absolutely correct. Cynical, but correct. I feel like this community has some good mapmakers in it, and players who'd be willing to practice maps in-between leagues. I'd be willing to jump in on a commitee to push for new maps, and I feel like Eywa should as well if he is going to continue to head up the GC. The GC and future ISLs will be the mold that other tourneys will mold themselves after.
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puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
August 09 2012 02:08 GMT
#103
I think that we should hold off on making new maps until the community really craves them. There isn't going to be a need for the for at least a year. I think any earlier attempts to introduce new maps will fail, because players will still prefer the kespa maps and the newer amateur maps will feel forced upon them.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
August 09 2012 02:31 GMT
#104
gotta also add that a lot of map makers don't really play the game enough to make balanced maps
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Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
August 09 2012 08:24 GMT
#105
why make maps when we've got maps. Panschk released another 6 map pack about a week ago that looks promising enough.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2012 11:31 GMT
#106
On August 09 2012 11:31 dRaW wrote:
gotta also add that a lot of map makers don't really play the game enough to make balanced maps

Kespa maps are not balanced for the most part.
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TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
August 09 2012 13:14 GMT
#107
On August 09 2012 20:31 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 11:31 dRaW wrote:
gotta also add that a lot of map makers don't really play the game enough to make balanced maps

Kespa maps are not balanced for the most part.


This is done intentionally to provoke creative and non-standard play for IMBA matchups on certain maps. KeSPA had to keep ratings up so standard v standard would certainly be boring. But I like having a few less than balanced maps so certain matchups can be dynamic and change.
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GeckoVOD
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Germany814 Posts
August 09 2012 14:43 GMT
#108
On August 09 2012 10:21 TheShimmy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 09:58 Game wrote:
On August 09 2012 09:36 TheShimmy wrote:
I was also thinking about the map situation. I think it needs its own thread. The obvious best way to carry on new, fresh maps is community map tourneys, then infusing those maps into tournaments and leagues, especially the leagues with high level of play (The CSTL, Gambit's Cup, ISL, SRW, etc.)

I hate to be the naysayer here, but there have been multiple threads in the past where an initiative to create new maps was formed. All of them failed due to a combination of old maps by map makers were posted, or rushed and otherwise useless ones having formed, drowning any thoughtful initiatives. If there was going to be a map making effort I personally believe it'd have to be a private matter with a private congregation of map makers and the organizers who would use them. Testing could be easily fulfilled by an organizer or two, and a couple of players.


Game is absolutely correct. Cynical, but correct. I feel like this community has some good mapmakers in it, and players who'd be willing to practice maps in-between leagues. I'd be willing to jump in on a commitee to push for new maps, and I feel like Eywa should as well if he is going to continue to head up the GC. The GC and future ISLs will be the mold that other tourneys will mold themselves after.


Assuming that Koreans don't do new maps themselves. I think if they were to use new maps, a lot of the players would just adapt them. Besides, as the Dutch already said, Panschk and users of his page released a lot of really good maps that were actually used in different leagues and official Blizzard events. Someone just needs to contact them and ask them for it. If there was actually a demand for new maps right now. :|

On August 09 2012 20:31 Eywa- wrote:
Kespa maps are not balanced for the most part.


Source and statistics please. I don't think you can judge this as a low level D player that has only been around for about a few years. :/
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
August 10 2012 03:16 GMT
#109
I'm pretty interested to see how something like this will take off. I think what this scene needs ASAP is someone like Husky to do what he did for SC2 to BW.
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Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
August 11 2012 22:09 GMT
#110
Amazing job on this, can't wait for the next one!
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Nymphaceae
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States350 Posts
August 12 2012 00:02 GMT
#111
Keep up the good work! I think the CSL league should be sc2 and BW now. It would be so much more exciting that way.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
August 14 2012 01:59 GMT
#112
Hi, I dont know if this is the best place to ask but it seems okay.

What's the general skill level of foreign Brood War right now? Compared to before Sc2 hit (like TSL 2)?
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
August 14 2012 02:06 GMT
#113
On August 14 2012 10:59 Bibbit wrote:
Hi, I dont know if this is the best place to ask but it seems okay.

What's the general skill level of foreign Brood War right now? Compared to before Sc2 hit (like TSL 2)?

Hard to say. Lower, clearly, but someone like Sziky is objectively very good. I suggest you watch some games, to see for yourself :-)
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L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
August 14 2012 02:24 GMT
#114
On August 14 2012 10:59 Bibbit wrote:
Hi, I dont know if this is the best place to ask but it seems okay.

What's the general skill level of foreign Brood War right now? Compared to before Sc2 hit (like TSL 2)?


Idk but ISL3 final felt like higher level play than PL games from this season.
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
August 14 2012 04:42 GMT
#115
On August 14 2012 10:59 Bibbit wrote:
Hi, I dont know if this is the best place to ask but it seems okay.

What's the general skill level of foreign Brood War right now? Compared to before Sc2 hit (like TSL 2)?


Depends on how you look at it. If you take the best 30 players right now and compare it to tsl2 qualifiers, the tsl2 qualifiers are better (assuming that they kept practicing for past 2 years and kept up with modern trends). But there are some people who play now who could potentially get top 8 in tsl (sziky was like #7 on the tsl ladder, and even better now) and if you look at it in terms of talented people as a percentage of the player base, I'd say it's similar.
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Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 14 2012 14:25 GMT
#116
nice article

go go go BW !!! :D
T H C makes ppl happy
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
August 18 2012 00:16 GMT
#117
Fantastic article. BW <3

Thank you mr HybridProleague for providing the reckoning that was answered by GMarshal's hopeful link to this
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
August 18 2012 05:51 GMT
#118
I only just saw this, great thread 2Pac!
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ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1699 Posts
August 18 2012 08:18 GMT
#119
On August 18 2012 09:16 Aerisky wrote:
Fantastic article. BW <3

Thank you mr HybridProleague for providing the reckoning that was answered by GMarshal's hopeful link to this

Hahaha that thread...
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