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SK Planet PL S2 August Roster Changes

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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51664 Posts
August 01 2012 06:24 GMT
#1
Air Force ACE
Removed: M18M (discharged from service)

CJ Entus
Race Change: Horang2 (SC2 -> )

STX Soul
Removed: Tossgirl (retired)

Source: http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=64381
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sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 06:26:28
August 01 2012 06:26 GMT
#2
o_O
Horangee switched to Toss to Terran: Unexpected
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
August 01 2012 06:31 GMT
#3
i feel we will see more and more kespa players switch to terran as the game goes on and they realize terran offers the most reward via multitasking. With their mechanics they could be doing 3-4 pronged drops at a time. MMA was known for his tvz because of his ability to drop 3 locations at once, outmultitasking zergs easily.
The Notorious Winkles
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 01 2012 06:33 GMT
#4
Ace loses possibly their best SC2 player, and the Tiger changes his stripes.

Interesting.
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domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
August 01 2012 06:33 GMT
#5
The last chance to switch before the format (rightfully) changes. I hope Horang finds terran more suitable.
P7GAB
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada486 Posts
August 01 2012 06:34 GMT
#6
can M18M be picked up by a team or does he have to sit out the rest of the season/ retire
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 06:36:40
August 01 2012 06:35 GMT
#7
interesting, oh and khan could potentially get stronger now that M18M is discharged from service so he will probably return to khan.

but fionn I'll argue that Guemchi is the strongest SC2 player in ACE.

On August 01 2012 15:34 P7GAB wrote:
can M18M be picked up by a team or does he have to sit out the rest of the season/ retire


generally players either retire or go back to the team they used to be on before ACE, in M18M's case Samsung KHAN.
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 01 2012 06:39 GMT
#8
Horang2 metagaming and anticipating the Protoss nerf after PvP GSL finals.
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Exia0276
Profile Joined January 2012
Hong Kong62 Posts
August 01 2012 06:46 GMT
#9
On August 01 2012 15:31 rysecake wrote:
i feel we will see more and more kespa players switch to terran as the game goes on and they realize terran offers the most reward via multitasking. With their mechanics they could be doing 3-4 pronged drops at a time. MMA was known for his tvz because of his ability to drop 3 locations at once, outmultitasking zergs easily.


Interesting comment to read after just reading this terran QQ thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=357287
Mylin
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden177 Posts
August 01 2012 07:33 GMT
#10
On August 01 2012 15:46 Exia0276 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 15:31 rysecake wrote:
i feel we will see more and more kespa players switch to terran as the game goes on and they realize terran offers the most reward via multitasking. With their mechanics they could be doing 3-4 pronged drops at a time. MMA was known for his tvz because of his ability to drop 3 locations at once, outmultitasking zergs easily.


Interesting comment to read after just reading this terran QQ thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=357287


As rysecake says though Terran has the highest reward for good multitasking which is what foreigners are typically known to lack due to practicing less.

Maybe its just biased bullshit as I play Terran but I feel a huge difference watching a good GSL Terran to a good foreign Terran.
no
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
August 01 2012 07:34 GMT
#11
On August 01 2012 15:39 endy wrote:
Horang2 metagaming and anticipating the Protoss nerf after PvP GSL finals.


I would say it is easier to transition from Protoss in BW to Terran in SC2 since they both have similar play style than P BW to P SC2.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 01 2012 07:36 GMT
#12
Nooooooo.

I hope M18M finds a home soon. I miss him snorting stardust and going Stargate in way too many games.

And let us not forget this legendary game:
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2117 Posts
August 01 2012 07:44 GMT
#13
I reckon Bisu should of changed to Terran, it would have suited him really well just like it did to Rainbow
John 15:13
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
August 01 2012 07:59 GMT
#14
horang2 what? terran? I don't see how that fit his bw playstyle at all >_>.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 08:16:09
August 01 2012 08:14 GMT
#15
Horang2 likes to perfect abusive openings, and by the words of David Kim, they design Terran to be stronger in early game.
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 08:21:27
August 01 2012 08:21 GMT
#16
I wonder why Bisu hasn't switched to terran.
M18M is the best player ever, I hope he joins Khan and continues his career.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 01 2012 08:42 GMT
#17
Horang2 playing Terran in Sc2 is no real news. Im surprised so many here didnt know already.
M18M has a pretty bad record for Ace this season, so I dont think him dropping out will hurt them that much...
This is our town, scrub
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
August 01 2012 09:04 GMT
#18
huh I thought M18M was a good SC2 player for ace... well we'll see how they do now
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18718 Posts
August 01 2012 09:21 GMT
#19
It hasn't worked with Snow, why does CJ allow this with Horang too... D:

CJ has 4 SC2 terrans with that and one protoss...
Guamshin
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands295 Posts
August 01 2012 09:23 GMT
#20
Horang2 said in an interview he didn't like how Protoss is supposed to be played in SC2(defensive) so this is no surprise to me.
Weeeee
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
August 01 2012 09:24 GMT
#21
M18M to Khan
Is it confirmed yet?
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
August 01 2012 10:50 GMT
#22
I hope M18M finds a new team quickly, good SC2 player.

And Tiger Toss ;_;
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 01 2012 11:15 GMT
#23
Good luck everyone.

Too bad TG never played many PL games... wonder where she'll drift off to now.
kiss kiss fall in love
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 01 2012 11:17 GMT
#24
On August 01 2012 20:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Good luck everyone.

Too bad TG never played many PL games... wonder where she'll drift off to now.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=357197
apparently she supervises a mall?
This is our town, scrub
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 01 2012 11:21 GMT
#25
M18M back on Khan, just another good players for the team.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 01 2012 11:23 GMT
#26
On August 01 2012 20:17 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 20:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Good luck everyone.

Too bad TG never played many PL games... wonder where she'll drift off to now.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=357197
apparently she supervises a mall?


Maybe she works with NaDa and helps supervise his mall. :O
kiss kiss fall in love
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
August 01 2012 11:25 GMT
#27
On August 01 2012 20:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 20:17 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On August 01 2012 20:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Good luck everyone.

Too bad TG never played many PL games... wonder where she'll drift off to now.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=357197
apparently she supervises a mall?


Maybe she works with NaDa and helps supervise his mall. :O

She has her own mall with her sister.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355486
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 01 2012 11:27 GMT
#28
On August 01 2012 20:25 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 20:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 01 2012 20:17 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On August 01 2012 20:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Good luck everyone.

Too bad TG never played many PL games... wonder where she'll drift off to now.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=357197
apparently she supervises a mall?


Maybe she works with NaDa and helps supervise his mall. :O

She has her own mall with her sister.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355486



Thanks Epoxide!
kiss kiss fall in love
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
August 01 2012 12:32 GMT
#29
No Horangee!!!!!!! PvP Bonjwa becomes TvP whatever.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 12:49:57
August 01 2012 12:49 GMT
#30
Horang2 metagaming everyone with the most beautiful simcity from any Terran we will ever see. ez win

I can't wait till this season is over, because didn't most teams have like a rule that they would play the same races in both games in this hybrid Proleague and when it was over they could switch race fulltime if they wanted? If so, I bet there will be some interesting changes then.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
August 01 2012 12:56 GMT
#31
i don't think anyone who has switched to terran thus far has won a single game

don't think it's a good idea

with all that that being said, bisu could use a change... dno why he's being stubborn
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 01 2012 13:10 GMT
#32
On August 01 2012 21:56 Motivate wrote:
i don't think anyone who has switched to terran thus far has won a single game

don't think it's a good idea

with all that that being said, bisu could use a change... dno why he's being stubborn

Like a wrote before you, SKT1 has that rule.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
August 01 2012 16:49 GMT
#33
Yeah, Bisu needs to switch. Or Blizzard needs to make some fundamental changes to improve the breadth of difficulty for APM.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
August 01 2012 17:45 GMT
#34
On August 02 2012 01:49 0neder wrote:
Yeah, Bisu needs to switch. Or Blizzard needs to make some fundamental changes to improve the breadth of difficulty for APM.


he needs to switch. terran in sc2 has far more potential for mechanical prowess than protoss does.
The Notorious Winkles
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 01 2012 18:41 GMT
#35
Yup, I just hope Bisu don't feel like he really must play Protoss in sc2 because of his fans and everything. Just look at like Flash, BaBy and Reality how fast and how good they are already because you can really put your mechanics up to use in a whole different way with SC2 Terran.

It doesn't really seem like HotS will change anything on how lame Protoss is so it doesn't look that bright for someone like Bisu. :F
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
August 01 2012 18:48 GMT
#36
i thought calm was going to retire this month, since he hasn't played any games in like 3-4 months
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
August 01 2012 18:53 GMT
#37
On August 01 2012 21:56 Motivate wrote:
i don't think anyone who has switched to terran thus far has won a single game

don't think it's a good idea

with all that that being said, bisu could use a change... dno why he's being stubborn

The ones that have switched to terran are:
  • (T)great 0-2 0% Proleague only.
  • (T)Woon 0-0 0% Proleague only.
  • (T)Rock 0-1 0% Proleague only.

    The exception would be:
  • (T)Snow 0-3 0% Proleague only.
    He did however go 2-0 vs (T)이재선, 2-1 vs (Z)hyvaa, 2-0 vs (Z)NesTea and 2-0 vs (Z)ZerO in the WCS Korean Qualifiers. So I'd say he has had his fair success at least.
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
Exia0276
Profile Joined January 2012
Hong Kong62 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 10:57:04
August 03 2012 10:36 GMT
#38
Bisu's problem is more of strategy than race mechanical depth. His face says to me "WTF just happened" after he loses. It is more a face of surprise than anger.

Compare him to the ace master of Team Jaedong, whose face (after a loss) tells me he knows why he lost and that he is angry he 'forgot' to do whatever it was and it cost him the game, and that he's gonna get up after a loss and show everyone he can do it right.

Bisu needs a protoss SC2 coach.
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