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whereismymind
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom717 Posts
July 23 2012 17:10 GMT
#381
AIR FORCE SC2 hwaiting!
one day.. i'll lose my mind
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 23 2012 17:17 GMT
#382
On July 24 2012 02:10 whereismymind wrote:
AIR FORCE SC2 hwaiting!

was the sc2 part really needed?

2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
July 23 2012 17:21 GMT
#383
Better to die down with style than move on to SC2.
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
July 23 2012 17:36 GMT
#384
so safe to assume Air Force doesn't support sc2?
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
July 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#385
I think Ace is just ignorant. Mobile games are a thorn in eSports, but they won't kill it. Only thing that can kill eSports are the people of eSports. If we make enough wrong decisions, like Ace disbanding for no reason for example. (maybe they had a legit reason, but the ones stated are not even close to sufficient)
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
July 23 2012 17:44 GMT
#386
On July 24 2012 02:38 Shinta) wrote:
I think Ace is just ignorant. Mobile games are a thorn in eSports, but they won't kill it. Only thing that can kill eSports are the people of eSports. If we make enough wrong decisions, like Ace disbanding for no reason for example. (maybe they had a legit reason, but the ones stated are not even close to sufficient)


100% theres a reason behind it, they just say the polite comment, afterall, they are military.

On July 24 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 02:10 whereismymind wrote:
AIR FORCE SC2 hwaiting!

was the sc2 part really needed?



And your comment?
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
July 23 2012 17:49 GMT
#387
On July 24 2012 02:36 ilikeredheads wrote:
so safe to assume Air Force doesn't support sc2?

It's not a matter of "support" or not. ACE is not the same as the rest of the corporate-sponsored teams. It was formed and funded by the Korean government to promote the image of the military to youths. It has come to the point where the government thinks it's no longer worthwhile to fund a team when they are not achieving their goal anymore.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Valkyriie
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland19 Posts
July 23 2012 17:56 GMT
#388
On July 24 2012 02:44 Darksoldierr wrote:
100% theres a reason behind it, they just say the polite comment, afterall, they are military.


It's a valid reason in Korea. No in the rest of the world.
Damnight
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany222 Posts
July 23 2012 17:59 GMT
#389
That statement sounds like Broodwar is the only definition of eSports :/
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
July 23 2012 18:17 GMT
#390
So sad. Another sign of BW dying...
paintfive
Profile Joined September 2011
785 Posts
July 23 2012 18:35 GMT
#391
This is depressing new (
This generation is a bunch of lazy ass casual gamers

Any pros that join the military will now just fade away......
GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
July 23 2012 18:36 GMT
#392
On July 24 2012 01:07 MadNeSs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:59 Prophanity wrote:
On July 23 2012 22:35 BadAim wrote:
Truly sad news. Every day I pray for sc2 to catch on like bw did...


It has to some extent and will continue to do so. More people watch SC2 than they ever did Brood War. Merely a transition, yet just as new people come in during a time of growth so too do others leave.


You are so wrong, more people watched bw than sc2 has ever had. Tt was on tv afterall, sc2 in still only online. I dont know the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure that more people wactched bw than sc2. I mean just look at the stadiums where they played sometimes up to 30k ppl attenden - How many people do you see attend a sc2? Not nearly half as much as that, I can assure you that.


In ONE country, it was very popular.

SC2 is very, very popular WORLDWIDE.

People packing a convention center isn't really a valid argument. It only shows local support. SC2 has people packing convention halls in every country where there even IS an event.

Also, how many Broodwar Barcrafts were there?
In retrospect, I don't know how you can play StarCraft without swearing. - Eifer
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 23 2012 18:39 GMT
#393
On July 24 2012 03:36 GuitarBizarre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 01:07 MadNeSs wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:59 Prophanity wrote:
On July 23 2012 22:35 BadAim wrote:
Truly sad news. Every day I pray for sc2 to catch on like bw did...


It has to some extent and will continue to do so. More people watch SC2 than they ever did Brood War. Merely a transition, yet just as new people come in during a time of growth so too do others leave.


You are so wrong, more people watched bw than sc2 has ever had. Tt was on tv afterall, sc2 in still only online. I dont know the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure that more people wactched bw than sc2. I mean just look at the stadiums where they played sometimes up to 30k ppl attenden - How many people do you see attend a sc2? Not nearly half as much as that, I can assure you that.


In ONE country, it was very popular.

SC2 is very, very popular WORLDWIDE.

People packing a convention center isn't really a valid argument. It only shows local support. SC2 has people packing convention halls in every country where there even IS an event.

Also, how many Broodwar Barcrafts were there?


This whole argument is invalid when you look at the timelines. -_-
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 18:59:40
July 23 2012 18:57 GMT
#394
Did they think that sc2 will not be good for their image compared to bw which is much more challenging and deep RTS or sc2 is just not popular in Korea so they are affraid they cant have the same influence on the young people?
In both cases its really sad to see phenomena such as Ace just go away
Luv ya BroodWar!
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 19:11:13
July 23 2012 19:08 GMT
#395
On July 24 2012 03:36 GuitarBizarre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 01:07 MadNeSs wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:59 Prophanity wrote:
On July 23 2012 22:35 BadAim wrote:
Truly sad news. Every day I pray for sc2 to catch on like bw did...


It has to some extent and will continue to do so. More people watch SC2 than they ever did Brood War. Merely a transition, yet just as new people come in during a time of growth so too do others leave.


You are so wrong, more people watched bw than sc2 has ever had. Tt was on tv afterall, sc2 in still only online. I dont know the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure that more people wactched bw than sc2. I mean just look at the stadiums where they played sometimes up to 30k ppl attenden - How many people do you see attend a sc2? Not nearly half as much as that, I can assure you that.


In ONE country, it was very popular.

SC2 is very, very popular WORLDWIDE.

People packing a convention center isn't really a valid argument. It only shows local support. SC2 has people packing convention halls in every country where there even IS an event.

Also, how many Broodwar Barcrafts were there?

Sadly, it doesn't matter to ACE. Overseas viewership has no relevance to ACE and perhaps to a couple other companies that own Kespa teams.

On July 24 2012 03:57 _Animus_ wrote:
Did they think that sc2 will not be good for their image compared to bw which is much more challenging and deep RTS or sc2 is just not popular in Korea so they are affraid they cant have the same influence on the young people?
In both cases its really sad to see phenomena such as Ace just go away

It's not that playing SC2 isn't good for their image but gaming in general doesn't have as positive an image as it once had in Korea. But more importantly, it's also not as popular as before (although it's true that SC2 in particular has not caught on in Korea).
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
July 23 2012 19:41 GMT
#396
I was a bigger fan of other teams that have disbanded recently, especially Hwaseung, but I am sadder to see ACE go. Having a military team was a big symbol for esports' legitimacy as a serious endeavor/career. It is always good to see ACE win. Most people's favorite players have played on ACE for part of their career.
dellesh1ruH
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark509 Posts
July 23 2012 19:43 GMT
#397
Lets get a Chinese pro team up and take the place!
Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!
CreeDo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States82 Posts
July 23 2012 19:44 GMT
#398
Guys, why does every single one of these threads turn into a BW vs. SC2 war?

Brood War is an incredible game that did A LOT to cement the idea of pro-gaming as being something that was a valid track. I got taken by War3, but I remember explaining that in S. Korea, Brood War was essentially a national sport to people who didn't understand why I spent the amount of time I did on these kinds of games. In fact, I would take this slightly further to say that without the support BW got in Korea, the scene for Starcraft 2 would not have been possible.

That being said, Starcraft 2 has created a scene that would not have been possible with Brood War--the technicalities that made Brood War a beautiful, difficult, and exceptionally wonderful game for us to watch made it almost impossible for the mainstream gamer to get into. Yes, the game became easier, but now it is a worldwide phenomenon.

On Topic: This is really sad, I thought it was awesome that ACE provided a place for pro gamers to keep playing through their military service.

On July 24 2012 04:08 Ryo wrote:

Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 03:57 _Animus_ wrote:
Did they think that sc2 will not be good for their image compared to bw which is much more challenging and deep RTS or sc2 is just not popular in Korea so they are affraid they cant have the same influence on the young people?
In both cases its really sad to see phenomena such as Ace just go away

It's not that playing SC2 isn't good for their image but gaming in general doesn't have as positive an image as it once had in Korea. But more importantly, it's also not as popular as before (although it's true that SC2 in particular has not caught on in Korea).


Is this true/Are there sources about it?
leperphilliac
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States399 Posts
July 23 2012 19:46 GMT
#399
Damn, Air Force Ace was what really cemented BW as being big in Korea, and now they're gone...
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 20:07:08
July 23 2012 20:02 GMT
#400
That home gaming division is an real issue, i remember going to pc clubs when BW was popular in my country it was so great experience that i cant compare to playing alone in my room, im sure every person experienced that can understand me. Also sometimes i feel this community so friendly that i want to hug everybody lol and only dream what can be if we was able to gather together to watch events and have BW fun :D Unfortunatelly im not living in Korea nor USA.
So playing/watching home kills the thrill in many cases plus everybody can behave like ass on the internet no problem.
Luv ya BroodWar!
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