Air Force Ace to disband - Page 16
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Finskie
Sweden412 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 23 2012 18:57 Khai wrote: Sad day for e-sports. Looks like the younger generation prefers mindless games. The younger generation also prefers PAYING for their mindless games, which is actually the real issue here. SC2's fanbase is a lot smaller than BWs, but they have much more open wallets. If more BW fans were willing to pay what SC2 fans pay, BW wouldn't be in even the tiniest bit of trouble because it wouldn't be 100% dependent on sponsors who drop everything as soon as the brand loses value. KeSPA seems to completely miss this point, which is why Proleague's probably doomed, even with the switch. No one's paying $20/mo to see Proleague in HD and get VOD access. | ||
BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On July 23 2012 19:14 Ribbon wrote: The younger generation also prefers PAYING for their mindless games, which is actually the real issue here. SC2's fanbase is a lot smaller than BWs, but they have much more open wallets. If more BW fans were willing to pay what SC2 fans pay, BW wouldn't be in even the tiniest bit of trouble because it wouldn't be 100% dependent on sponsors who drop everything as soon as the brand loses value. KeSPA seems to completely miss this point, which is why Proleague's probably doomed, even with the switch. No one's paying $20/mo to see Proleague in HD and get VOD access. But kespa's model worked for over 10 years and is used by most legitimate sports. Are you really suggesting that PPV is the way to go here? | ||
KristianJS
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1667 Posts
On July 23 2012 19:14 Ribbon wrote: The younger generation also prefers PAYING for their mindless games, which is actually the real issue here. SC2's fanbase is a lot smaller than BWs, but they have much more open wallets. If more BW fans were willing to pay what SC2 fans pay, BW wouldn't be in even the tiniest bit of trouble because it wouldn't be 100% dependent on sponsors who drop everything as soon as the brand loses value. KeSPA seems to completely miss this point, which is why Proleague's probably doomed, even with the switch. No one's paying $20/mo to see Proleague in HD and get VOD access. I would, and always would have. | ||
iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On July 23 2012 19:14 Ribbon wrote: The younger generation also prefers PAYING for their mindless games, which is actually the real issue here. SC2's fanbase is a lot smaller than BWs, but they have much more open wallets. If more BW fans were willing to pay what SC2 fans pay, BW wouldn't be in even the tiniest bit of trouble because it wouldn't be 100% dependent on sponsors who drop everything as soon as the brand loses value. KeSPA seems to completely miss this point, which is why Proleague's probably doomed, even with the switch. No one's paying $20/mo to see Proleague in HD and get VOD access. only really applicable to westerners, but then again I have no idea how much koreans are willing to pay for entertainment shows (which is what BW esport is, not games). Game wise though, its free or prepare to bust (unless you have big name behind your brand) | ||
KazmA
United States117 Posts
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Norada
China482 Posts
Same. If they offered in bw only :> | ||
Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 23 2012 19:19 BrosephBrostar wrote: But kespa's model worked for over 10 years and is used by most legitimate sports. Are you really suggesting that PPV is the way to go here? KeSPA's model is actually kind of odd. Sports like football, baseball, even pro wrestling are free to watch on TV, and make some money on ads, but REALLY make money when people come to stadiums to see games and pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to do so. We all know that picture of 120,000 fans at a Proleague Finals. Imagine if tickets were $10-$20, based on where you were sitting. That's literally millions of dollars that didn't get made. The KeSPA model was good up until the exact second sponsors started pulling out. But then all the fans in the world won't help them. I'm not saying KeSPA should've gone fully PPV. Even MLG turned away from that model. But some way of monetizing your audience lets you live if you have sponsor difficulties (indeed, the whole reason MLG went PPV in the first place was just to prove it was feasible to have an sponsorless tournament). It didn't even have to be OSL/MLG/PL. Go to Kim Carrier's apartment and do a Homestory Cup-like thing, that would've been cool (and helped a little with the cardboard player issue). There was a lot they could've done. But they didn't, because the sponsorship model was working so well and when it wasn't it was too late. | ||
HighTemper
Canada3867 Posts
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
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BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On July 23 2012 19:38 Ribbon wrote: KeSPA's model is actually kind of odd. Sports like football, baseball, even pro wrestling are free to watch on TV, and make some money on ads, but REALLY make money when people come to stadiums to see games and pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to do so. We all know that picture of 120,000 fans at a Proleague Finals. Imagine if tickets were $10-$20, based on where you were sitting. That's literally millions of dollars that didn't get made. The KeSPA model was good up until the exact second sponsors started pulling out. But then all the fans in the world won't help them. I'm not saying KeSPA should've gone fully PPV. Even MLG turned away from that model. But some way of monetizing your audience lets you live if you have sponsor difficulties (indeed, the whole reason MLG went PPV in the first place was just to prove it was feasible to have an sponsorless tournament). It didn't even have to be OSL/MLG/PL. Go to Kim Carrier's apartment and do a Homestory Cup-like thing, that would've been cool (and helped a little with the cardboard player issue). There was a lot they could've done. But they didn't, because the sponsorship model was working so well and when it wasn't it was too late. That only accounts for tournament sponsors. How many tshirts do you think you would have to sell to pay flash's salary? | ||
IGotPlayguuu
Italy660 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
I am disappointed that it has to be this way, we can't even give a proper send-off. | ||
Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
Hope that someday, someone will take up the initiative to do something similar to this. | ||
sickkungen
Sweden179 Posts
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
I think I know what hes getting on with, but what a polite way to put it. | ||
Kpaxlol
813 Posts
On July 23 2012 20:03 polyphonyEX wrote: "due to shifts in the gaming industry we had no choice but to disband the team". I think I know what hes getting on with, but what a polite way to put it. Haha yea ! He sure found the best one. | ||
JustPassingBy
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