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Finskie
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden412 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 10:13:40
July 23 2012 10:13 GMT
#301
nooooooooooooooo
Violet.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 10:16:37
July 23 2012 10:14 GMT
#302
On July 23 2012 18:57 Khai wrote:
Sad day for e-sports. Looks like the younger generation prefers mindless games.


The younger generation also prefers PAYING for their mindless games, which is actually the real issue here. SC2's fanbase is a lot smaller than BWs, but they have much more open wallets. If more BW fans were willing to pay what SC2 fans pay, BW wouldn't be in even the tiniest bit of trouble because it wouldn't be 100% dependent on sponsors who drop everything as soon as the brand loses value.

KeSPA seems to completely miss this point, which is why Proleague's probably doomed, even with the switch. No one's paying $20/mo to see Proleague in HD and get VOD access.
BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
July 23 2012 10:19 GMT
#303
On July 23 2012 19:14 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 18:57 Khai wrote:
Sad day for e-sports. Looks like the younger generation prefers mindless games.


The younger generation also prefers PAYING for their mindless games, which is actually the real issue here. SC2's fanbase is a lot smaller than BWs, but they have much more open wallets. If more BW fans were willing to pay what SC2 fans pay, BW wouldn't be in even the tiniest bit of trouble because it wouldn't be 100% dependent on sponsors who drop everything as soon as the brand loses value.

KeSPA seems to completely miss this point, which is why Proleague's probably doomed, even with the switch. No one's paying $20/mo to see Proleague in HD and get VOD access.


But kespa's model worked for over 10 years and is used by most legitimate sports. Are you really suggesting that PPV is the way to go here?
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
July 23 2012 10:20 GMT
#304
Wow, this is horrible. It's really going to have to be up the West I think to take up the eSports mantle that is falling in Korea..
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1689 Posts
July 23 2012 10:21 GMT
#305
On July 23 2012 19:14 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 18:57 Khai wrote:
Sad day for e-sports. Looks like the younger generation prefers mindless games.


The younger generation also prefers PAYING for their mindless games, which is actually the real issue here. SC2's fanbase is a lot smaller than BWs, but they have much more open wallets. If more BW fans were willing to pay what SC2 fans pay, BW wouldn't be in even the tiniest bit of trouble because it wouldn't be 100% dependent on sponsors who drop everything as soon as the brand loses value.

KeSPA seems to completely miss this point, which is why Proleague's probably doomed, even with the switch. No one's paying $20/mo to see Proleague in HD and get VOD access.

I would, and always would have.
EleGant[AoV]
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 10:22:47
July 23 2012 10:22 GMT
#306
On July 23 2012 19:14 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 18:57 Khai wrote:
Sad day for e-sports. Looks like the younger generation prefers mindless games.


The younger generation also prefers PAYING for their mindless games, which is actually the real issue here. SC2's fanbase is a lot smaller than BWs, but they have much more open wallets. If more BW fans were willing to pay what SC2 fans pay, BW wouldn't be in even the tiniest bit of trouble because it wouldn't be 100% dependent on sponsors who drop everything as soon as the brand loses value.

KeSPA seems to completely miss this point, which is why Proleague's probably doomed, even with the switch. No one's paying $20/mo to see Proleague in HD and get VOD access.


only really applicable to westerners, but then again I have no idea how much koreans are willing to pay for entertainment shows (which is what BW esport is, not games).

Game wise though, its free or prepare to bust (unless you have big name behind your brand)
KazmA
Profile Joined August 2011
United States117 Posts
July 23 2012 10:22 GMT
#307
Its kind of a shame that there might not be a military team for SC2. Im not sure about the whole smartphone thing but I'm sure their reasons are sound.
"I intend to live forever, or die trying"- Groucho Marks
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
July 23 2012 10:27 GMT
#308
It was expected, but it is still unfortunate. It would be interesting to see if any other country takes on this model in terms of making their military more attractive. Join the military, you might end up playing video games!!!!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Norada
Profile Joined August 2010
China482 Posts
July 23 2012 10:34 GMT
#309
On July 23 2012 19:21 ImbaTosS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 19:14 Ribbon wrote:
On July 23 2012 18:57 Khai wrote:
Sad day for e-sports. Looks like the younger generation prefers mindless games.


The younger generation also prefers PAYING for their mindless games, which is actually the real issue here. SC2's fanbase is a lot smaller than BWs, but they have much more open wallets. If more BW fans were willing to pay what SC2 fans pay, BW wouldn't be in even the tiniest bit of trouble because it wouldn't be 100% dependent on sponsors who drop everything as soon as the brand loses value.

KeSPA seems to completely miss this point, which is why Proleague's probably doomed, even with the switch. No one's paying $20/mo to see Proleague in HD and get VOD access.

I would, and always would have.



Same. If they offered in bw only :>
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 10:38:19
July 23 2012 10:38 GMT
#310
On July 23 2012 19:19 BrosephBrostar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 19:14 Ribbon wrote:
On July 23 2012 18:57 Khai wrote:
Sad day for e-sports. Looks like the younger generation prefers mindless games.


The younger generation also prefers PAYING for their mindless games, which is actually the real issue here. SC2's fanbase is a lot smaller than BWs, but they have much more open wallets. If more BW fans were willing to pay what SC2 fans pay, BW wouldn't be in even the tiniest bit of trouble because it wouldn't be 100% dependent on sponsors who drop everything as soon as the brand loses value.

KeSPA seems to completely miss this point, which is why Proleague's probably doomed, even with the switch. No one's paying $20/mo to see Proleague in HD and get VOD access.


But kespa's model worked for over 10 years and is used by most legitimate sports. Are you really suggesting that PPV is the way to go here?


KeSPA's model is actually kind of odd. Sports like football, baseball, even pro wrestling are free to watch on TV, and make some money on ads, but REALLY make money when people come to stadiums to see games and pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to do so.

We all know that picture of 120,000 fans at a Proleague Finals. Imagine if tickets were $10-$20, based on where you were sitting. That's literally millions of dollars that didn't get made.

The KeSPA model was good up until the exact second sponsors started pulling out. But then all the fans in the world won't help them.

I'm not saying KeSPA should've gone fully PPV. Even MLG turned away from that model. But some way of monetizing your audience lets you live if you have sponsor difficulties (indeed, the whole reason MLG went PPV in the first place was just to prove it was feasible to have an sponsorless tournament). It didn't even have to be OSL/MLG/PL. Go to Kim Carrier's apartment and do a Homestory Cup-like thing, that would've been cool (and helped a little with the cardboard player issue). There was a lot they could've done. But they didn't, because the sponsorship model was working so well and when it wasn't it was too late.
HighTemper
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3867 Posts
July 23 2012 10:38 GMT
#311
When the government or military says it's over, it's really over. Can't imagine any games would come even close with similar longevity as BW seeing how the gaming industry is heading. No more Ace, sad day.
"Issue the orders Sir [JangBi], and I will storm Hell." - Anthony Wayne
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
July 23 2012 10:41 GMT
#312
It's unfortunate to see the great teams of years gone by beginning to disappear :|
BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
July 23 2012 10:54 GMT
#313
On July 23 2012 19:38 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 19:19 BrosephBrostar wrote:
On July 23 2012 19:14 Ribbon wrote:
On July 23 2012 18:57 Khai wrote:
Sad day for e-sports. Looks like the younger generation prefers mindless games.


The younger generation also prefers PAYING for their mindless games, which is actually the real issue here. SC2's fanbase is a lot smaller than BWs, but they have much more open wallets. If more BW fans were willing to pay what SC2 fans pay, BW wouldn't be in even the tiniest bit of trouble because it wouldn't be 100% dependent on sponsors who drop everything as soon as the brand loses value.

KeSPA seems to completely miss this point, which is why Proleague's probably doomed, even with the switch. No one's paying $20/mo to see Proleague in HD and get VOD access.


But kespa's model worked for over 10 years and is used by most legitimate sports. Are you really suggesting that PPV is the way to go here?


KeSPA's model is actually kind of odd. Sports like football, baseball, even pro wrestling are free to watch on TV, and make some money on ads, but REALLY make money when people come to stadiums to see games and pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to do so.

We all know that picture of 120,000 fans at a Proleague Finals. Imagine if tickets were $10-$20, based on where you were sitting. That's literally millions of dollars that didn't get made.

The KeSPA model was good up until the exact second sponsors started pulling out. But then all the fans in the world won't help them.

I'm not saying KeSPA should've gone fully PPV. Even MLG turned away from that model. But some way of monetizing your audience lets you live if you have sponsor difficulties (indeed, the whole reason MLG went PPV in the first place was just to prove it was feasible to have an sponsorless tournament). It didn't even have to be OSL/MLG/PL. Go to Kim Carrier's apartment and do a Homestory Cup-like thing, that would've been cool (and helped a little with the cardboard player issue). There was a lot they could've done. But they didn't, because the sponsorship model was working so well and when it wasn't it was too late.


That only accounts for tournament sponsors. How many tshirts do you think you would have to sell to pay flash's salary?
IGotPlayguuu
Profile Joined June 2011
Italy660 Posts
July 23 2012 10:58 GMT
#314
A big step backward for esports today...
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
July 23 2012 10:59 GMT
#315
DAMN IT. Fans can't even show some way of supporting a scene they love?!

I am disappointed that it has to be this way, we can't even give a proper send-off.
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Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
July 23 2012 10:59 GMT
#316
That is so fucking sad. Having Ace around meant there was always some of your old favorites to root for, an underdog playing from experience and flair trying to bring the fans more enjoyment. The last couple proleague seasons Ace did really well, which was awesome to watch.

Hope that someday, someone will take up the initiative to do something similar to this.
sickkungen
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden179 Posts
July 23 2012 10:59 GMT
#317
http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 23 2012 11:03 GMT
#318
"due to shifts in the gaming industry we had no choice but to disband the team".

I think I know what hes getting on with, but what a polite way to put it.
Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
July 23 2012 11:19 GMT
#319
On July 23 2012 20:03 polyphonyEX wrote:
"due to shifts in the gaming industry we had no choice but to disband the team".

I think I know what hes getting on with, but what a polite way to put it.

Haha yea ! He sure found the best one.
<3 bw
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 23 2012 11:21 GMT
#320
What the hell??? Why???
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