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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
After watching both the Mania vs sea.s2 replay and watching the boxer vs nada sky proleague vod i think the pro gamers have found a way to counter nada. contain him and he will choke. any thoughts? reach did a gutsy thing on nada at blizzcon proxying INSIDE his base but unseen | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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inkblot
United States1250 Posts
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
I just watched the Mania vs Nada, incredible defiler control AND science vessel control, really was amazing everytime Nada tried to engage the darkswarms went down, and then when he ran a plague smacked his ass. Plus, I'm going to use Nydus canals a lot more in the future, there is only so much Sunkens can do once the Terran has 3/3 rines. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On January 03 2006 18:24 inkblot wrote: nada ORIGINALLY got the nick tornado terran for building a lot of tanks in tvz with fast siege/unsiege advancing, only later did it become a synonym for a tvp styleTornado terran is a TvP only build. Basically, expand, turtle, build a bunch of facts, move out when you have alot of units. It usually means sieging all your tanks at once instead of slowly moving tanks forward too, as this is much faster and lets you put the pressure on toss immediately. So, neither Mania v Nada or Boxer v Nada has any relevance to Tornado Terran play. | ||
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
POONED | ||
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TeRRan`UseR
Canada692 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
gee whillikers why didnt anyone else think of that you must be a GENIUS | ||
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Larva
United States363 Posts
Point is, I even "choke" at containments anyway. I try to get a fast hive, so I can tech to defiler faster. For me, dark swarm and plague help so much in breaking ZvT containments. They say it's some cheap shit I do, but who cares, if I win by four pool or massing guardians, a win is still a win. | ||
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HappyManRun
1111 Posts
Player B: GOGO contain him!! Player A: OMG CONTAINED! *choke choke choke*  ies of athima*^^ | ||
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
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yknarf
United States90 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27148 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
hehe the 7 ebays were damn frantic i think | ||
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azndng
United States344 Posts
On January 03 2006 19:48 A3iL3r0n wrote: I think the point is that Nada needs to play more like Boxer. dont' say gibberish shit like that. now the thread is gonna be about "boxer sucks.. nada >>>> boxer" | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On January 03 2006 20:59 azndng wrote: dont' say gibberish shit like that. now the thread is gonna be about "boxer sucks.. nada >>>> boxer" Wouldn't be surprising. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
I have a suspicion | ||
GTR
51446 Posts
he's probably searching porn on ebay | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27148 Posts
Sooo... Step 1: Use your minerals. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Manifesto7/NaDaFloat/nadafloat1.png) Step 2: FLY BABY FLY ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Manifesto7/NaDaFloat/nadafloat2.png) Step 3: Sneak under the radar! ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Manifesto7/NaDaFloat/nadafloat3.png) Step 4: Dont forget to scan behind the defensive line to see what awaits you... o... too late. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Manifesto7/NaDaFloat/nadafloat4.png) That is the Nada EBAY float that was truely spectacular in its failure, and made Boxer look all godlike. To be fair, Boxer scanned the ebays just after they lifted, so he has ample time to prepare. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
at least boxer can still amaze me =] | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27148 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
On January 03 2006 22:00 Manifesto7 wrote: The minimap pretty much tells you the rest of the game. lol the minimap said game after boxer took almost eVERY SINGLE NATURAL | ||
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SpeaKinRiddleS
United States148 Posts
I think the clumping and splash attack nature of it makes it invincible. The surface area, if you will, allows only so many protoss units to actually attack at once. The rest are essensially just waiting in line. Therefore, even if theoretically the protoss could get 400 units instead of 200 they could never break the 3-3 200/200 tornado. The harassment isn't even nessesary. It's just to keep the protoss on its toes so it can't build 13752735723 gateways. More expos just means more units pumping out faster. The 200/200 3-3 tornado simply renders this no longer advantageous to the protoss. Ground units simply can't beat it. I remember downloading a skyinthesea TvP tornado replay pack like 2 years ago. All the games were on temple. The only person who could even touch NaDa's tornado technique was breeze[akuta] by using 4 shuttles to drop zealot bombs and loads of units into his main to slow him down. Although now his technique is much more fine tuned and unsusceptable to interference. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
I think person above explained it 3-3 terran metal is incredibly difficult or impossible to break. I seriously want to see that Boxer vs. Nada game on R-point now  | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27148 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
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GTR
51446 Posts
'3-3 melts protoss like butter' | ||
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Xeroth
United States432 Posts
+5 per attack on tanks is amazing, And against damage of 20, 30, 70, and 125, armor is less than stellar for toss, so most rarely get it. The upgrade advantage in TvP definitely goes to terran. | ||
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SpeaKinRiddleS
United States148 Posts
You think simply containing somebody with pro status will make them 'choke'? First of all I think you're seriously under estimating tank range. If a terran wants to get 2 dropships and a few vultures out of his base 3 minutes after his expansion he will. Secondly how could you possibly assume he has never been faced with the situation of being contained before? If that's all it took to beat NaDa he'd be hard pressed to break C- on pgtour. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
That is the Nada ebay float that was truely spectacular in its failure, and made Boxer look all godlike. To be fair, Boxer scanned the ebays just after they lifted, so he has ample time to prepare. You people do know that turrets have priority for attacking dropships?-.- | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27148 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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SpeaKinRiddleS
United States148 Posts
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seNsles[s]
Germany26 Posts
On January 03 2006 23:52 Sfydjklm wrote: You people do know that turrets have priority for attacking dropships?-.- I wouldn´t be too sure about that when I used ebays to cover my dropships some time ago it worked quite nicely... Doesn´t matter if turrets have priority or not (I think they haven´t) | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
no they don't you need to manually target a dropship with turrets or it will fire at the first thing it can fire at until it can kill the thing it first started firing at. using engbays or barracks to draw turret fire is pretty common and EXTREMELY effective unless he has his turrets hotkeyed and ready. really it's often a necessity against turtling terrans. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
On January 03 2006 20:57 jkillashark wrote: oops i meant he starts to play frantic not choke hehe the 7 ebays were damn frantic i think On January 03 2006 23:49 SpeaKinRiddleS wrote: oh yea I forgot to make fun of you. You think simply containing somebody with pro status will make them 'choke'? First of all I think you're seriously under estimating tank range. If a terran wants to get 2 dropships and a few vultures out of his base 3 minutes after his expansion he will. Secondly how could you possibly assume he has never been faced with the situation of being contained before? If that's all it took to beat NaDa he'd be hard pressed to break C- on pgtour. i already said i didn't mean choke, i meant he can get frantic because progamers are starting to prey on his early conservativness by containing him and recently he has not been boding well in being contained. eg games against oov, mania, and recently just boxer. i was merely stating a pattern and not blasting his progamer status. if it hurts your feelings i'm sorry i made you cry. first: he did get them out, if you watched the game, he gets out a large groups of tanks and gols. second: yes he's probably faced it before but the degree of progamer containing him was pretty darn good (boxer, chae yunsung). even against mania he couldn't break out of the containment very well. he exhausted his resources and his army died of starvation. his desperate ebay move was because he knew he was going to economically die if he didn't break out of the darn containment (which he couldn't) or go directly for the heart of boxer (which he failed) just like julyzerg's style was analyzed and getting countered with defensive play | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13005 Posts
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k3fka
Argentina1267 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
On January 04 2006 05:54 k3fka wrote: this rep is like the only rep where nada had more than 5 vessels and lost t vs z :D haha:D Yeah...He's a god with mass-micro or whatevr to call it. | ||
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
On January 04 2006 09:57 Mortality wrote: NaDa needs a style revamp. He plays with the same passive style every game. Modern day macro whores take risks to grow bigger (think Oov, Pusan, etc). NaDa still plays it safe and it's a miracle that he can keep up as well as he does. He needs to learn to be less predictable, able to macro whore, play his usual or get aggressive at a whim. i totally agree. when july's style was analyzed he changed it up against iris. i think nada needs to change it up and not just play pockets and premiums such as minimum aq | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
On January 03 2006 21:54 Manifesto7 wrote: NaDa was contained in the top left by Boxer all game. Boxer had such a bead on Nada's ships that he might as well have played with vis on. It was a rediculous display of BW prowess. NaDa has one last chance to break out of this containment and tries to doom drop Boxer's main. First he needs something to distract the anti air for his ships. Sooo... Step 1: Use your minerals. Step 2: FLY BABY FLY Step 3: Sneak under the radar! Step 4: Dont forget to scan behind the defensive line to see what awaits you... o... too late. That is the Nada EBAY float that was truely spectacular in its failure, and made Boxer look all godlike. To be fair, Boxer scanned the ebays just after they lifted, so he has ample time to prepare. wow...boxer owns. | ||
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