'Empress' Seo Ji-soo (Tossgirl) declares her retirement as an active progamer
The last female active Starcraft progamer in Korea, Tossgirl, has decided to retire. A retirement ceremony will occur at the STX Proleague match on the 17th of July.
Known for dominating female-only tournaments, she has had not much luck achieving success in normal tournaments. An active progamer since 2000, she has notably taken games off Reach and Yellow.
some other stuff about interviews, comments etc, can't be fucked translating
I literally went "NO! *gasp!* when I read the title... I wonder how she must feel... trying all these years.. damn. I would've really loved to see her at least make it into an MSL/OSL league or anything.. oh well. GG's Tossgirl I am your fan always <3<3
DO LOL OR SC2 TOSSGIRL I DON'T GIVE A FUCK I'LL FOLLOW YOU.
I'm pretty sure she quit pro gaming completely, meaning she won't return in SC2 or LoL. Hopefully she landed a job at a company like Reach.. (although he went back into the scene). I don't really see her being useful in the esports scene any longer. Best wishes, Jisoo.
I just hope she reconsiders or something. She should have at least gone to some MLGs, for example. She has so many fans, probably doesn't even realize it.
Well the love of my life is retiring, I hope she goes to SC2 so my love can live on for her...Otherwise I will be heartbroken...Toss girl I will love you forever!!!!! Please play SC2!!
Well considering she is already at 27 years of age and she is really attractive . I believe there are many guys out there just waiting to marry her and it's also a good call for her I guess after all there is no point spending your time on playing games any more when it isn't a long term thing (the destruction of bw pro scene) . I fell in love with toss girl when I first saw klazart getting all crazy over toss girl saying how pretty she is and she plays starcraft as a professional . Till this day I hope she can expand her career to either acting or working with the media .
ToSS Girl fighting always and good luck in your future endeavour .
People saying she should play SC2... Can you be anymore dense? If she wanted to play SC2 she was already in the perfect environment. My guess is her big dream of playing BW on TV in the normal leagues has been shattered and she's done with it. We might see her in LoL or something, but she isn't gonna leave SC2 to play SC2...
tbh I would like to see her commentating or interviewing or acting or something like that. Anything which will take advantage of her connections and her image. I wanted to see her succeed in gaming to, but it looks like the time limit has expired for her.
Who cares? If she hasn't won anything (female only tournies shouldn't count and the fact they exist is stupid) then why give her attention for just being female. Seems sexist to me, or maybe it's just the gamers who haven't seen a female/sun in a while who will miss her.
I really hoped she would play better again with SC2, but I guess it just wasn't meant to be. Hopefully she will somehow stay in the scene, like becoming a commentator or something.
Retiring as a "active progamer" probably means she won't be playing anything, including SC2. This is actually good news, since the sooner she stops trying, the sooner her suffering ends. Now she can do something else like a normal girl!.
You haters don't get it, she managed to be a practice partner at least in her achievement, as well being the sole female professional player in a male dominated scene, playing against other male pros. She's a pioneer and her determination should be admired. No other females were stubborn and determined enough to do what she did for so long.
On June 29 2012 21:29 Myriadic wrote: Who cares? If she hasn't won anything (female only tournies shouldn't count and the fact they exist is stupid) then why give her attention for just being female. Seems sexist to me, or maybe it's just the gamers who haven't seen a female/sun in a while who will miss her.
T_T I remember her game against Reach I think it was.. holy shit so good. Def worth checking out! Hopefully she will continue to do interviews etc and not become a simple civilian
On June 29 2012 21:45 Garnet wrote: Retiring as a "active progamer" probably means she won't be playing anything, including SC2. This is actually good news, since the sooner she stops trying, the sooner her suffering ends. Now she can do something else like a normal girl!.
Yes, because a normal girl couldn't possibly play SC, is that what you're saying?
On June 29 2012 21:38 pred470r wrote: If she was a male that had the same results she would have retired ages ago and no one would have heard of her.
-.- Honestly worse players than her got sent out for a game or two in proleague. I think her coach never showed confidence in her, which is sad given her commitment. Especially on a team like STX, give me a break. It was a lot harder for her because she was a girl in a sexist environment, not easier. She wouldn't have become a poster girl and might be less success in terms of money and popularity, but she would have almost certainly gotten some games.
On June 29 2012 21:45 Garnet wrote: Retiring as a "active progamer" probably means she won't be playing anything, including SC2. This is actually good news, since the sooner she stops trying, the sooner her suffering ends. Now she can do something else like a normal girl!.
Yes, because a normal girl couldn't possibly play SC, is that what you're saying?
no, it's not normal for a girl to play sc:bw proffessional and shutting everything else down for 12 years.
I really hope she finds something that makes her happy. I can't even imagine how hard the progaming environment must have been for her, especially being the only girl on the entire team. I admire her persistence and her dedication. The interviews with her reflected some kind of sadness imo.
On June 29 2012 21:45 Garnet wrote: Retiring as a "active progamer" probably means she won't be playing anything, including SC2. This is actually good news, since the sooner she stops trying, the sooner her suffering ends. Now she can do something else like a normal girl!.
Yes, because a normal girl couldn't possibly play SC, is that what you're saying?
no, it's not normal for a girl to play sc:bw proffessional and shutting everything else down for 12 years.
It's not normal for anyone. I don't see your point.
On June 29 2012 21:45 Garnet wrote: Retiring as a "active progamer" probably means she won't be playing anything, including SC2. This is actually good news, since the sooner she stops trying, the sooner her suffering ends. Now she can do something else like a normal girl!.
Yes, because a normal girl couldn't possibly play SC, is that what you're saying?
no, it's not normal for a girl to play sc:bw proffessional and shutting everything else down for 12 years.
That's true. You just forgot to mention that it's not normal for a guy either. What I was hinting at is that a normal girl *could*, in fact, do it. Just like a normal guy could.
On June 29 2012 21:38 pred470r wrote: If she was a male that had the same results she would have retired ages ago and no one would have heard of her.
-.- Honestly worse players than her got sent out for a game or two in proleague. I think her coach never showed confidence in her, which is sad given her commitment. Especially on a team like STX, give me a break. It was a lot harder for her because she was a girl in a sexist environment, not easier. She wouldn't have become a poster girl and might be less success in terms of money and popularity, but she would have almost certainly gotten some games.
I'm really glad that someone is toeing this line, the pressure and expectations on her were great, she was the only active female progamer in starcraft for a long time, she had the position of trend setter thrust upon her, unlike jaedong and others who can differentiate themselves through their skill, she had to represent an entire gender on her shoulders, and will inevitability be remembered as "tossgirl-the most famous starcraft player who was a woman", rather than "tossgirl-okay at starcraft" So lets not bash her guys, she was alot better than large percentage of people that have ever played starcraft.
On June 29 2012 23:02 ProGear wrote: So. Did she ever win anything?
There is a reason you can search for your favourite players matches history and win records on liquipedia . Please make use of it and enlighten yourself.
not surprising whatsoever, although its really really sad.. i was really a fan of how she played, u can see that its quite unique... i really wish she did have more success and i bet shes an inspiration to alot of female aspiring progamers, good shit tossgirl.. u had a good run imo, hope to see similar girls willing to put as much effort into gaming as u did!
As sad as this is, I hope she continues her "Medic Dates" because I enjoyed reading them, and the pictures that went along with them always captured the personality of the players.
She's approaching her late 20's (she's about 27yo) and is probably experiencing the pressure most South Korean girls her age are facing in terms of getting married and starting a family. Methinks we will hear news of an engagement within the next year or so.
That sucks. I liked her, I remember when she took that special needs person out for the evening. I remember when she got surgery
I was never around to watch her play live but if she had a lot of fans she must of meant a lot to a lot of people. And sometimes, that's worth more than winning an OSL.
She was with brood war from nearly the beginning.. until nearly the end.
fuck why'd i say it like that now even i'm pretty sad.
On June 30 2012 00:08 monkh wrote: Aphrodite not a female pro gamer in Korea? :S
Pretty sure they are talking about Starcraft:BW, and as Aphro doesn't have an actual pro license i'd say she isn't one.
By that logic, MVP, MMA, MKP, nestea, symbol, all the best players in the world, aren't progamers.
its by kespa logic. the progamer status is strictly only for players who have recieved a license from kespa. since we are talking about bw, aphrodite isnt an actual progamer. im pretty sure all those players you've mention has had a license in the past making them progamer by that definition.
I don't get it. If she was going to just retire, why did she say she was quitting Medic Date so she could "practice SC2"? Not that I don't like Yeonji taking over but... I miss Medic Date :[
On June 30 2012 01:35 Kiett wrote: I don't get it. If she was going to just retire, why did she say she was quitting Medic Date so she could "practice SC2"? Not that I don't like Yeonji taking over but... I miss Medic Date :[
She probably tried and decided she wasn't going to make it.
Yet another icon of the game quits. Wont be missed skill wise (who even knows how well she plays now?) but she was a fresh breeze in the otherwise so homogenous progamer world.
The Korean Starcraft dream is slowly dying - while it is normal that players retire, its sad that you will hardly hear from them again now that Broodwar doesnt atract the masses anymore.
Didn't know she was still considered active, but still sad news. Wouldn't it be a weird twist for BW to die in Korea and then have glorious resurgence in another country?
On June 30 2012 03:41 Mothra wrote: Didn't know she was still considered active, but still sad news. Wouldn't it be a weird twist for BW to die in Korea and then have glorious resurgence in another country?
You mean China?
Also, why... just why does BW stories in this century have to end so sadly...
edit2: sorry I wasn't paying any attention when posting this hahaha. Still she wasn't the only female pro, was the point I was trying to get across haha
I think it's ridiculous that people are getting so upset about this when Tossgirl hasn't really played seriously (playing for her team and whatnot), like, in many many years.
This will make no difference. She wasn't playing before, she's not playing now, she's not playing in the future.
I like Tossgirl as much as anyone, but come on guys.
On June 30 2012 06:00 Reggiegigas wrote: I think it's ridiculous that people are getting so upset about this when Tossgirl hasn't really played seriously (playing for her team and whatnot), like, in many many years.
This will make no difference. She wasn't playing before, she's not playing now, she's not playing in the future.
I like Tossgirl as much as anyone, but come on guys.
^ , agree much. just hope tossgirl will play sc2 and win a tournament and she will be famous to the max lol
Understandable, even though it's sad. She worked very hard for a such a long time and was never able to post results. She only got attention for being female.
On June 29 2012 21:05 Sawamura wrote: Well considering she is already at 27 years of age and she is really attractive . I believe there are many guys out there just waiting to marry her and it's also a good call for her I guess after all there is no point spending your time on playing games any more when it isn't a long term thing (the destruction of bw pro scene) . I fell in love with toss girl when I first saw klazart getting all crazy over toss girl saying how pretty she is and she plays starcraft as a professional . Till this day I hope she can expand her career to either acting or working with the media .
ToSS Girl fighting always and good luck in your future endeavour .
What, you think 27 is old and women are not attractive anymore at that age?!?!?
Goddamn dictatorship of teenagers. People believe you have to look like a photoshoped 17yo barbydoll to be attractive.
On June 29 2012 19:18 red4ce wrote: Well it wasn't all that hard to see this coming. Hopefully she'll continue as an e-sports reporter or something like that.
Seconded. This is depressing somewhat but I don't think it's over for her and e-sports. I just hope she doesn't go to LoL or anything (not that I don't like LoL, I just don't play it),
so much hostility from a few guys that are butthurt for no goddamn reason. tossgirl had her place in the BW scene and community. I don't understand why so many people are so bent on placing value on a player purely through results. =/
kinda hoping she can stay active on the media side of pro gaming.
I didn't even know she was still an active progamer. When I saw those interviews (Tossgirl on Jaedong and the like) I thought "Good for her, continuing her passion by contributing in other ways."
What's with the NOOOO comments? When was the last time we saw her play a game? Are we going to really be missing that level of activity?
I think she can contribute a lot as a non pro player. There's noone quite like her. I think if she continues being involved in what she loves, she can still provide a lot to the scene, whatever it is she decides to do
On May 06 2008 06:50 Kennigit wrote: I used to be like this for Kimberly from the power rangers. Did you guys know the red ranger got into gay porn and the yellow ranger died :o ? Im talking originals, none of the spin off.
page 6. Without doubt the single most funniest post i ever read. I was crying so hard out of joy when i read that, oh my god
maybe she just likes bw ^_^ she wouldn't be the first or a new game all together(nal ra, yellow) Personally I think she would be a good journalist or reporter
This sucks, but it's understandable. I wish her the best in the future. It is very cool to see her stick it out this far when so many female SC1 players retired many years ago.
On June 30 2012 03:52 Kickboxer wrote: Hottest progamer of all time? You bet!
No sorry that goes to Tasteless. Tossgirl can be second though.
Lol Tasteless is not even a progamer.
He used to be. Same as Day 9, Artosis(I think), Orb and many other casters.
You know I was just browsing this thread again to see what kind of shit would crop out and thanks to you good sir I almost gave my monitor a wash. Guys say it so many times eventually people are actually going to fucking believe them.
My God. If you've ever done any research on the matter. Hell no. They were never pro gamers. Ever. Not ever ever ever. I don't know how to make myself more clear. In Brood War they were Ammmmmateurs. Say it with me. Amateurs.
Just like the other 99.9999999 percent (actually... it would probably be even higher, but you get the point!). These guys were never even close, in fact Sean was only a prominent player back in 04-06. Even then he had problems beating such players like Sen in training. Still he was an amateur. Not making a living off of it and he finishing school as the same time like almost everyone else.
A whole whack of them were still in school and the whole going pro thing was more like a dream.
Stop believing everything you hear when they talk. They do it to make themselves look better. Nothing wrong with it. They're trying to sell themselves to the audience time and time again, but the reality is very different.
Greg got fucking lucky when Super Dan man decided to take him in.
Other guys like Assem, Leggionaire, Draco, etc. had to work their butts off for it.
Next time do us all a favor and don't speak out of your ass.
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Now back on topic, this news of Tossgirl shouldn't be sad. I mean a lot of you guys saw this coming years ago. I cannot believe they're only announcing it now to be honest.
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I'm really going to miss you Tossgirl. Watching you rape Carot repeatedly was fun back in the good old days ^_^
Im not going to say it was about time but... maybe it was.. she has a legacy and that will be remembered but I doubt she would have contributed to the BW scene at this stage. Thx for what youve done.
Sad about ToSsGirL. Hope she would get a chance to be a commentator or stay in the scene somehow. It must be difficult to go back to school when you're closing in on your 30's, especially in korea where unviersity diplomas is so important.
On June 30 2012 03:52 Kickboxer wrote: Hottest progamer of all time? You bet!
No sorry that goes to Tasteless. Tossgirl can be second though.
Lol Tasteless is not even a progamer.
He used to be. Same as Day 9, Artosis(I think), Orb and many other casters.
-text- My God. If you've ever done any research on the matter. Hell no. They were never pro gamers. Ever. Not ever ever ever. I don't know how to make myself more clear. In Brood War they were Ammmmmateurs. Say it with me. Amateurs. -more text-
Just have to say that I agree. Seems history keep getting rewritten by the successful in Sc2.
Just like the other 99.9999999 percent (actually... it would probably be even higher, but you get the point!).
Actually no. Assuming there are at least 100 progamers (less than truth) and 10 million players (more than truth), that still makes 10²/10^7 = 10^(-5). So it's rather 99.99999 %.
Just like the other 99.9999999 percent (actually... it would probably be even higher, but you get the point!).
Actually no. Assuming there are at least 100 progamers (less than truth) and 10 million players (more than truth), that still makes 10²/10^7 = 10^(-5). So it's rather 99.99999 %.
Back then a lot of people played Brood War my man and there were more than 100 players with pro gamers licenses as well. So once again, hi?
A little more perspective. Back in 1999 China had a population of 1.259 billion. Everyone didn't play on B.Net as well. If one percent of China's population played (it was one of the biggest markets after all, bootlegged or not) then you would have 12.59 million people who have at least played it.
In July 2001, South Korea's population was 47,904,370. PC Bangs spread like a wildfire at the turn of the millenium and it was a very youthful nation as well:
Party !! I wanna see tossgirl drunk !! you can even call her almost as hot sister zergirl !! In case you didnt know, she has a room just for herself for obvious reasons I wonder what are they gonna do with that room now haha
Argghghgh, the person that made me play Starcraft retires... The person that motivated me to hit D+.... after all the years that I played Starcraft on iCCup...
Worst day in the world. Broodwar is officially dead (to me anyways)!
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