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storkfan
Profile Joined March 2012
493 Posts
May 17 2012 20:01 GMT
#101
Wait what?. No, seriously? Brave was a really strong consistent player for past 2 seasons. Indeed, a steal in FPL with the 2 points he cost. The best value of any player, of all times. Of all time!
storkfan
Profile Joined March 2012
493 Posts
May 17 2012 20:05 GMT
#102
On May 18 2012 04:16 SonZHi wrote:
They're not stating the actual reason because they're just trying to be polite and do not wish to hamper the future developments of OGN's Proleague for their team members. Starcraft Broodwar progamers did not choose their career solely due to money or fame. If you've been around long enough to know the history of Starcraft progaming, then you'd have remembered how the progamers were all practically dirt poor at some point, relying on ₩230 instant foods as daily meals, and just starting to transition into living in puny teamhouses with cheap computers (which, thankfully, could run SCBW perfectly due to the low requirements: P1 90MHZ, 16MB RAM, 640x480 display) to practice SCBW every day. If they actually wanted money, they'd have chosen a different career path like medicine or engineering.

They chose Starcraft progaming because they loved the game, believed they had the exceptional skills to entertain the audiences with, and wished to make a career out of it. Unfortunately, they were forced to switch to the game-which-cannot-be-named, had several months to try it out, and decided that they could not apply their skills and find the enjoyment in a game that's more user-friendly and based on coin-flip ball battles. Blizzard does not have the same developers, designers and composers that they had back in 1998, which is why they cannot mimic similar gameplay mechanics and graphics from SCBW. It's an entirely different game, future retirements from current progamers are inevitable, and the situation can't be helped.

Look, at amateur level its for fun. At pro level.. very few people even progamers can enjoy gaming if they have to grind at it for 12 hours a day. At that point, it doesnt matter what the actual gameplay mechanics are like, you just purely gotta force yourself to do it for the wins, glory, money, fans. Those are the only things that can motivate to play, not gameplay.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
May 17 2012 20:13 GMT
#103
NOOOO KILLER :[
133 221 333 123 111
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
May 17 2012 20:18 GMT
#104
Minidong... damn,
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 17 2012 20:21 GMT
#105
On May 18 2012 05:05 storkfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 04:16 SonZHi wrote:
They're not stating the actual reason because they're just trying to be polite and do not wish to hamper the future developments of OGN's Proleague for their team members. Starcraft Broodwar progamers did not choose their career solely due to money or fame. If you've been around long enough to know the history of Starcraft progaming, then you'd have remembered how the progamers were all practically dirt poor at some point, relying on ₩230 instant foods as daily meals, and just starting to transition into living in puny teamhouses with cheap computers (which, thankfully, could run SCBW perfectly due to the low requirements: P1 90MHZ, 16MB RAM, 640x480 display) to practice SCBW every day. If they actually wanted money, they'd have chosen a different career path like medicine or engineering.

They chose Starcraft progaming because they loved the game, believed they had the exceptional skills to entertain the audiences with, and wished to make a career out of it. Unfortunately, they were forced to switch to the game-which-cannot-be-named, had several months to try it out, and decided that they could not apply their skills and find the enjoyment in a game that's more user-friendly and based on coin-flip ball battles. Blizzard does not have the same developers, designers and composers that they had back in 1998, which is why they cannot mimic similar gameplay mechanics and graphics from SCBW. It's an entirely different game, future retirements from current progamers are inevitable, and the situation can't be helped.

Look, at amateur level its for fun. At pro level.. very few people even progamers can enjoy gaming if they have to grind at it for 12 hours a day. At that point, it doesnt matter what the actual gameplay mechanics are like, you just purely gotta force yourself to do it for the wins, glory, money, fans. Those are the only things that can motivate to play, not gameplay.


Hwanni have stated that at the ESTRO days, when he would get up in the morning around 4 o clock am, Action would still be up practicing because the game was so fun.
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
May 17 2012 20:32 GMT
#106
oh my god
killer left
i was hoping for him in sc2
can i get my estro logo back pls
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
May 17 2012 20:33 GMT
#107
Sigh First of many, likely.

including a loss of interest in progaming

AKA SC2 ;p
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
May 17 2012 20:33 GMT
#108
On May 18 2012 04:59 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 04:55 Zona wrote:
On May 17 2012 19:29 insanet wrote:
the thing is with the sc2 switch incoming all the high salaries will go down, the big and medium stars will need to start from scratch to regain a high salary, and that will probably kill the motivation for a lot of pros.

Yes, I definitely expect more of this to happen. We have a set of players who are relatively well paid compared to the average SC2 progamer, and many who may or may not turn out to be superior SC2 players, so salaries will likely fall. Especially when the reason for the switch is a lack of sponsors and funding in general. I don't know what Kespa is banking on to increase their revenue - new sponsors due to SC2, or premium international streaming? Especially when you consider that by submitting to Blizzard they can no longer charge OGN a league/broadcast fee. Still, the players who have joined team 8 are probably players who likely wish to continue with SC2, so there are some, at least, who won't be retiring because of the switch.

One thing I'm really surprised is that Kespa is not really using whatever mapmakers it has access to. When you consider Kespa and SC2, Kespa can only bring 3 advantages to the table. The first, is the star power of its players. The second, is the map creation expertise that they have access to, but now don't seem to be using. The third, is the strong coaching and training environments...but this advantage is kind of negated by the late start for their progamers, especially when they are preparing both games for the upcoming months.

I do think that Kespa might face a slow collapse if the switch isn't able to bring in new funding. Teams will want to shed costs, in salary and team upkeep. (I suspect this might be part of the reason why SKT is dropping an adult coach in favor of player-age coaches, but who knows.)

If more retired BW pros consider taking up streaming, like Hiya, perhaps a new, smaller grassroots scene will be reborn. Some low-budget, small-scale tournaments...just maybe I'm dreaming?

No you're not dreaming. I just wish Afreeca streams were more accessible to people with foreign IPs.

They can dual stream to twitch through Afreeca. (Minho did this but stopped because English too hard)

God fucking damn it.
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
May 17 2012 20:35 GMT
#109
On May 18 2012 05:33 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 04:59 Ryo wrote:
On May 18 2012 04:55 Zona wrote:
On May 17 2012 19:29 insanet wrote:
the thing is with the sc2 switch incoming all the high salaries will go down, the big and medium stars will need to start from scratch to regain a high salary, and that will probably kill the motivation for a lot of pros.

Yes, I definitely expect more of this to happen. We have a set of players who are relatively well paid compared to the average SC2 progamer, and many who may or may not turn out to be superior SC2 players, so salaries will likely fall. Especially when the reason for the switch is a lack of sponsors and funding in general. I don't know what Kespa is banking on to increase their revenue - new sponsors due to SC2, or premium international streaming? Especially when you consider that by submitting to Blizzard they can no longer charge OGN a league/broadcast fee. Still, the players who have joined team 8 are probably players who likely wish to continue with SC2, so there are some, at least, who won't be retiring because of the switch.

One thing I'm really surprised is that Kespa is not really using whatever mapmakers it has access to. When you consider Kespa and SC2, Kespa can only bring 3 advantages to the table. The first, is the star power of its players. The second, is the map creation expertise that they have access to, but now don't seem to be using. The third, is the strong coaching and training environments...but this advantage is kind of negated by the late start for their progamers, especially when they are preparing both games for the upcoming months.

I do think that Kespa might face a slow collapse if the switch isn't able to bring in new funding. Teams will want to shed costs, in salary and team upkeep. (I suspect this might be part of the reason why SKT is dropping an adult coach in favor of player-age coaches, but who knows.)

If more retired BW pros consider taking up streaming, like Hiya, perhaps a new, smaller grassroots scene will be reborn. Some low-budget, small-scale tournaments...just maybe I'm dreaming?

No you're not dreaming. I just wish Afreeca streams were more accessible to people with foreign IPs.

They can dual stream to twitch through Afreeca. (Minho did this but stopped because English too hard)

God fucking damn it.

I have problems watching twitch too.

Sad day. Seriously.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
May 17 2012 20:42 GMT
#110
WTF KILLLLLLLLLLLERRRRRRRRRRRRR. Fuck SC2 man. God, first BW news that has me pissed off.
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
May 17 2012 20:46 GMT
#111
Sad to see them go but I expected something like this to happen. I didn't think it would be these two, however. Hopefully they can transition to a normal life without major difficulties.
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
May 17 2012 20:52 GMT
#112
Brave.

I feel like this transition is playing hell with a lot of progamers. I've said it once, I'll say it again, but forcing all pro-gamers to practice two games at the same time is not only bad for game quality, it's stressful, painful, and difficult as kark for the players. It's just not fun, not positive, not nice, period.

This is really a terribly stressful time to be a progamer, and the blame is pretty much squarely on Kespa. I'd be very surprised if these are the only retirements we see.

If you're going to switch to SC2, then switch to SC2 and let the players practice it. Don't make their lives horrible just because you're trying to hedge your karking bets.
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amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
May 17 2012 20:54 GMT
#113
I would expect a lot of the marginal players to start retiring en masse probably after the Proleague switch occurs completely. It's probably as good as time as any to retire if you don't have a passion anymore/have other career opportunities you want to pursue.
CFRD119
Profile Joined June 2010
United States97 Posts
May 17 2012 20:57 GMT
#114
Sad to see them go.
RIP KT Violet
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
May 17 2012 21:01 GMT
#115
Thanks for games Mini Dong and Brave. Killer had so much potential... if only he was bit more patient. Good luck in the future boys!
Flash returns...
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
May 17 2012 21:33 GMT
#116
Well that sucks. Hope Killer/Brave find success in their post-gaming careers.

The point about potential further retirements scares me too.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
May 17 2012 21:39 GMT
#117
On May 18 2012 06:33 Apex wrote:
Well that sucks. Hope Killer/Brave find success in their post-gaming careers.

The point about potential further retirements scares me too.

What is there to be so scared about tho? Even if they stay there is no real BW. Whether they go on to play SC2 or watch paint dry, you can probably still follow them. The worst has already happened, now it is just the embers of a ruined town.

+ Show Spoiler +
ok, so maybe if they play sc2 it's easier to follow them since they're still in the limelight... but it won't be the same player you knew or give you the same reasons for following them
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
May 17 2012 22:16 GMT
#118
Both had talent. So sad to see them go.
Always smile~
Tru_m4n
Profile Joined September 2009
162 Posts
May 17 2012 22:19 GMT
#119
No, not Killer :'(
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 17 2012 22:27 GMT
#120
Both Killer (back when his hair was still somewhat awesome) and BravE have a strong following of female fans too. I wonder how that will decrease the popularity of the scene in SK.
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