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figq
12519 Posts
On May 02 2012 17:24 S2Glow wrote: The reason is the same as ever - that you enjoy the gameplay. Unless you don't, then don't play it.so time to start training starcraft 2 . pointless to play starcraft now :/ , anybody agree with me or is there any reason to stay on and play bw? | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On May 02 2012 17:35 Nekovivie wrote: Is it even official competitive BW is ending in Korea? I cant find much info out, it's all SC2 news at the moment. They just had a big conference earlier. Announcing that after the hybrid PL tournament that starts 3rd week of May ends at October, the next PL season will be full SC2. No news on whether or not it's the last BW OSL, but it very well might be. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On April 29 2012 16:08 Le French wrote: Who the fuck in BW will play LoL? That is like going from being Superman to being Hugh Grant. Does not make sense. I can even baerly appreciate DoTA most of my LoL friends are from bw. just sayin. | ||
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_awake_
196 Posts
On May 02 2012 17:02 Ribbon wrote: Have you ever seen anyone go "Wow, I sure am interested in Flash's personal life!"? Or "Man, I really want to see this grudge match between Bisu and Hydra. Those guys fucking hate each other!" No. Doesn't happen in BW. All about the game itself, here, particularly with TLBS (exceptions are guys like Firebathero, but "Watch Firebathero play SC2!" is not a draw for anyone). Strawman 101 | ||
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thurim
France31 Posts
I have never follow the SC1 progamers scene even if i have played and enjoy the game (i often do again the campain and a bit of ladder on internet) but i started to play seriously at SC2 and follow the main events, watch some streams ... I just post here to ask if someone can explain me what are the big differences between the 2 games that make the big fans of the first opus reluctant to play to the second ? Warning : as there is a lot of passion in this debate i just want to point out my post is not a troll, taunt or whatever bullshit, i really don't know the difference between the two games and just want to understand it so i will enjoy a pm that can briefly shows me those differences and why he enjoy the first or the second opus of starcraft. By the way, even if i am not really interested in SC1, i feel sad that people who enjoy this game HAD to switch to another one. If big differences really exist, i don't understand why big tournaments of SC1 had to stop cause the better graphics does not make a game better. Moreover i think that is a problem for the development of esport cause how to build a real sport if every 10 years the game stops and people who were good at it have to learn another one  | ||
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5FDP
Germany44 Posts
On May 02 2012 17:24 S2Glow wrote: so time to start training starcraft 2 . pointless to play starcraft now :/ , anybody agree with me or is there any reason to stay on and play bw? why fot the casual iccup player nothing will change. Did you plan to get into OSL/ProLeague Team? The rest will keep playing BW. Maybe the Pros are forced to switched to SC2 because they earn their money with that but you don't have to ^^ | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
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fold
Australia665 Posts
On May 02 2012 17:24 S2Glow wrote: so time to start training starcraft 2 . pointless to play starcraft now :/ , anybody agree with me or is there any reason to stay on and play bw? It's always been pointless to play broodwar unless you're living in korea and are a progamer but at least it's been fun. Why else would you stay up till 6am casting random DRTL games.  | ||
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sGs.Stregon
United States161 Posts
On April 27 2012 21:56 storkfan wrote: Well LoL Is the esport, it is having boom the size never seen before in korea since SC1 days and in the west it is also by far the most popular competitive game. Maybe dota2 will change that but its hard to deny its flagship status at the moment I read somewhere, that Riot is throwing such a large amount of money at making League of Legends and Esports, that Esports wont touch DoTa2, in fear of losing the money Riot is throwing at them.. Mabey a few years down the road DoTa2 might make its way into Esports, but for the convievable future, its LoL as the only MOBA is Esports.. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On May 02 2012 18:11 sCCrooked wrote: Just curious for all those here thinking BW is just fine with no proscene, how is the game going to evolve? All the top strategic geniuses and strategists are going. You really think anybody in the entire amateur scene could even remotely compare to the strategic minds of all the pro-team coaches or the likes of iloveoov? What's to keep the current strategies from getting stale? How will tactics hold up? Will we keep degenerating because the skill level gets so low, really BAD strategies and builds become viable? Yes. Once proscene is dead, wannabe players like me might stop imitating the recent strategies and try to imitate other strategies as well. We'll be bad at executing these strategies just as we were bad at executing the recent ones. In other words, when progamers are gone, bad players will be bad. That's what people mean by 'BW will be just fine'. I doubt anyone here expects someone from the amateur scene to suddenly step up and introduce strats to beat the no longer existing progamers ._. | ||
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sGs.Stregon
United States161 Posts
On May 02 2012 16:53 Klunssila wrote: I'm just happy that bw is dead. Makes me ashamed to say I like esports when it looks like it's played on a fucking cellphone and all the players are mindless gooks. User was warned for this post User was temp banned for this post. Yet you enjoy watching a game that looks like its for 5 year old children, and is still dominated by what you call "mindless gooks" ((look at the Code S tournament.. there is only 1 foreigner in there, the rest of Koreans)) You have a double standard kiddo.. Sc2 looks childish from my point of view, whereas Sc/Bw had the best graphics for the longest time when it came to computer games ((sure it might be outdated now, but I still love the way it looks, and i will take my "cellphone game" over our childrens graphics anyday)) And for the record, koreans are some of the nicer people you will meet, when they arnt banning you from their games for not speaking korean, and I can guarantee they are 10x smarter than your mindless self.. | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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sGs.Stregon
United States161 Posts
On May 02 2012 18:51 Stratos wrote: Yes. Once proscene is dead, wannabe players like me might stop imitating the recent strategies and try to imitate other strategies as well. We'll be bad at executing these strategies just as we were bad at executing the recent ones. In other words, when progamers are gone, bad players will be bad. That's what people mean by 'BW will be just fine'. I doubt anyone here expects someone from the amateur scene to suddenly step up and introduce strats to beat the no longer existing progamers ._. what, did i just hear 2 hatch muta ZvT is the proper way to play this mu again((your only behind economically if your muta micro is East server level))?? because ive never been a fan of this jaedong style of macro zerg.. I play Zerg because, i feel, it is the rush race.. Lots of pressure really fast, Lots of pressure all game, Lots of good times. Who knows, an amature might invent a 3 hatch queen+ensnare build to counter M&m timing push's.. Ive tried it, and it could work... I just cant give up hope on Sc:Bw, sure the pro's might leave, but hopefully players like Rush and Turn stick to it, to keep it moving forward, and besides nothing makes me light up like a christmas tree like seeing a deep6.. ((lord i hate terran on a real note.. but gotta love that deep6)) I mean 14 years is alot of time and emotions built into 1 thing, and its not easy to let something like that go to the wayside. Sc:Bw4Life On May 02 2012 19:14 blubbdavid wrote: Time to dig out the two hatch lurker drop vs P, a reliable strategy on low-levels, especially when the Pro's can't spearhead strategies anymore. I was literally just thinking about this =D not just low levels man.. You can catch B level players with it too, if you have good scouting denial. | ||
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On May 02 2012 19:14 blubbdavid wrote: Time to dig out the two hatch lurker drop vs P, a reliable strategy on low-levels, especially when the Pro's can't spearhead strategies anymore. All this talk about 2 base lurker drop makes me remind of Hong jing ho | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
No it's not. A strawman is when you ignore a strong argument to focus on a (real or invented) weaker one. I'm making one and only one argument: BW players won't follow TBLS outside of BW because they don't care about TBLS outside of BW. On May 02 2012 18:38 sGs.Stregon wrote: I read somewhere, that Riot is throwing such a large amount of money at making League of Legends and Esports, that Esports wont touch DoTa2, in fear of losing the money Riot is throwing at them.. Mabey a few years down the road DoTa2 might make its way into Esports, but for the convievable future, its LoL as the only MOBA is Esports.. It was off-camera, but Sundance Giovanni (head of MLG) said this more-or-less explicitly at a Gold Members meetup at MLG Providence. Riot gives MLG $$ and Valve doesn't, so LoL > Dota. The LoL scene is extremely Riot-driven. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On May 02 2012 20:30 Ribbon wrote: No it's not. A strawman is when you ignore a strong argument to focus on a (real or invented) weaker one. I'm making one and only one argument: BW players won't follow TBLS outside of BW because they don't care about TBLS outside of BW. It was off-camera, but Sundance Giovanni (head of MLG) said this more-or-less explicitly at a Gold Members meetup at MLG Providence. Riot gives MLG $$ and Valve doesn't, so LoL > Dota. The LoL scene is extremely Riot-driven. No. It's because we think SC2 is bad, and we don't want to see our best players playing a really bad game. Also, there are plenty of people who care about Jaedong. | ||
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Deimos0
Poland277 Posts
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Le French
France782 Posts
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