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storkfan
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:40 Harem wrote: "if fucking kespa switches like dicks i'll never watch starcraft again i hope it fails these idiot kids" is #1 voted comment according to Kiett I need to search for and vote that comment up :O | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On May 02 2012 14:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:the amateur BW scene isn't going anywhere, so why should I, as much as I loved it as an esport I love it as a game too... My problem is just that. Although there was a small effort put forth to bring all the D- to low C or C- rank, there's basically no excitement in it anymore. The player count gets lower and lower, and its only going to fall farther with the complete destruction of the korean backing. After C-, the support and progression just comes to a screeching halt. There's practically nobody around with enough knowledge or ability to advance the masses of yellow ranks not just TO blue ranks, but to green and above. There are no tournaments, no new names at the top, and the people of fish are probably on the way out too. How long until iccup drops BW? It may not be in plans yet, but that is sure to follow with the "official" complete switch-over eventually. I really hope I'm jus being over-pessimistic with that last statement, but you can't tell me its not a reasonable assumption based on all this coming down lately. I'm too upset, I'm just going to bed. Good luck fellow BW'ers. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:53 sCCrooked wrote: My problem is just that. Although there was a small effort put forth to bring all the D- to low C or C- rank, there's basically no excitement in it anymore. The player count gets lower and lower, and its only going to fall farther with the complete destruction of the korean backing. After C-, the support and progression just comes to a screeching halt. There's practically nobody around with enough knowledge or ability to advance the masses of yellow ranks not just TO blue ranks, but to green and above. There are no tournaments, no new names at the top, and the people of fish are probably on the way out too. How long until iccup drops BW? It may not be in plans yet, but that is sure to follow with the "official" complete switch-over eventually. I really hope I'm jus being over-pessimistic with that last statement, but you can't tell me its not a reasonable assumption based on all this coming down lately. I'm too upset, I'm just going to bed. Good luck fellow BW'ers. You do bring up a legitimate concern. It is possible that the skill level at the topmost ranks might take a step back (to perhaps pre-2008 era). It will definitely suck but I don't think it will be enough to dissuade me from abandoning BW altogether. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
 Flash or  Jaedong, good riddens to you. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:48 storkfan wrote: I am kind of puzzled though. SC2 is doing pretty bad popularity wise in S-Korea so why does OGN, a korean DOMESTIC station commit so much to it, especially with its headline brand "Starleague" and also proleague. Seeing as domestic viewers arent particularly attracted to it, theyre totally banking on foreign sponsor and stream viewer revenue? They're hoping that BW fans will just follow their favourite players over to SC2. But a big problem Kespa and OGN are going to have is that, with the exception of Flash and Fantasy, most of the big names on Kespa teams are nearing that age when they'll have to enter the military. There will probably be a few high profile retirements by the end of this year and more next year. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:57 Sprouter wrote: some of you guys can kick and scream all you like, if this is what it takes to keep the best players playing starcraft (2), then so be it. i'm really surprised there are so many people (who claim to be) leaving when there are still many excellent players. if a game switch killed your passion to cheer for Flash or Jaedong, good riddens to you.Sure you question our loyalty to the players when you yourself only listed two famous name in the broodwar world which is flash and Jaedong . Now let me ask you, If you were a fan of basketball right now and there is a idea of making it more easier for example the basketball hoop were to be extended so people can shoot it in easily . Will you as a fan of the original basketball be annoyed that the professional game you have been following all your life is going to turn out this way ? Basketball 2.0 will easily allow players to play the game much more faster, scoring would be too easy and if that is the case what happened to I did a 3 pointer because I trained night and day to become the best so I can do 3 pointer with my eyes close ? It maybe a good riddance of we old dinosaur but with the passing of us but be sure some one the likes of you will tell you the same thing when starcraft 3 and 4 which is much more tailored to be casual oriented will say the same thing you said to me right now . I don't have a problem with dying with broodwar and I am taking the game with me to my grave however I am a counterstrike player originally and there is always a home for me when cs go becomes popular . | ||
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Epithet
United States840 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:40 Day[9] wrote: I hope I'm not the only one who did this but... ...I cried when I heard that BW is basically going to fade away. Every memory I can retrieve has BW peppered in there in some way. And now it's just... going to go away?  . Blagh. I mean I know I do SC2 but I played BW for TEN YEARS. That's x4 as long as I've done anything SC2 related. The impact and influence it's had on my life is unimaginable. I seriously need to get some massive torrent of every single BW VOD ever. All OGN and MBC stuff so I can watch it as an old man :[.Gah BW just means so much to me :[ I know this is just the inner BW fan talking in me, but please consider doing one last BW Day9 Daily as a last hurrah. I remember when you used cast the OSL and that was amazing to put it bluntly. I realize this probably won't happen with your work schedule and now that you moved onto SC2, but I couldn't live with myself without asking. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
On May 02 2012 16:09 Sawamura wrote: basketball has changed a lot from what how it is now but i understand the arguments you're making. i don't think sc2 in its current form is as good as bw is but that doesn't mean i'm going to quit on my favorite players just because i feel the game they're playing is inferior.Sure you question our loyalty to the players when you yourself only listed two famous name in the broodwar world which is flash and Jaedong . Now let me ask you, If you were a fan of basketball right now and there is a idea of making it more easier for example the basketball hoop were to be extended so people can shoot it in easily . Will you as a fan of the original basketball be annoyed that the professional game you have been following all your life is going to turn out this way ? Basketball 2.0 will easily allow players to play the game much more faster, scoring would be too easy and if that is the case what happened to I did a 3 pointer because I trained night and day to become the best so I can do 3 pointer with my eyes close ? It maybe a good riddance of we old dinosaur but with the passing of us but be sure some one the likes of you will tell you the same thing when starcraft 3 and 4 which is much more tailored to be casual oriented will say the same thing you said to me right now . I don't have a problem with dying with broodwar and I am taking the game with me to my grave however I am a counterstrike player originally and there is always a home for me when cs go becomes popular . | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On May 02 2012 16:16 Sprouter wrote: basketball has changed a lot from what how it is now but i understand the arguments you're making. i don't think sc2 in its current form is as good as bw is but that doesn't mean i'm going to quit on my favorite players just because i feel the game they're playing is inferior. Everything that has been happening it's not a natural transition if you recall the the last proleague finals between skt v kt . The reception were huge, fans were there to cheer for teams and even though the numbers are limited because it's not in a open space they have to play in a basket ball stadium . The fan's are there waiting for the players all the time . So tell me why broodwar has to die for the sake of sc2 ? It's not that broodwar is not a skilled game that has stand the test of time, I bet sc2 players if were to challenged the old wash up pro's like hiya they would get demolished in seconds . All the new events that have been coming to us right now feel forced, Players right now are forced to play two games right now compared to last time they only need to practice one game . I can't accept a transition like this when my players have to give up the game they loved just because sponsors feel that sc2 which is a shiny game in the west and has foreign interest will be the best for them in korea. You do realized how many years broodwar has been established in korea ? What happen to it being a cultural thing ? Something that is a heritage to korea, something that koreans are proud of when you call korea the motherland of starcraft ?I question this decision and I am not entirely satisfied until I get a kespa spoke person and do some Q&A and hope to get some answers from them . Look I may be the fan of them in broodwar and I am exactly a total fan of Flash in broodwar even I emulate his playing style to become at least a little bit of him . But still don't expect me to cheer for him like I do when he was in broodwar, because for the life of me I can't even watch sc2 and get hype at the actions at all seems pretty bland. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:53 sCCrooked wrote:There are no tournaments, no new names at the top, and the people of fish are probably on the way out too. What? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333252 Not to mention the Gem League and Defiler Tour, which are fairly often, or the smaller tournaments to help flesh out the scene a bit. (Shameless self-promotion: I'm sponsoring two separate BW tournaments after ISL) How long until iccup drops BW? For what? Everyone in ICCUP who liked SC2 already switched and formed ESV, and it's not like ICCUP can become an SC2 server. ICCUP will be BW until it shuts down. It may not be in plans yet, but that is sure to follow with the "official" complete switch-over eventually. I really hope I'm jus being over-pessimistic with that last statement, but you can't tell me its not a reasonable assumption based on all this coming down lately. Blizzard hates ICCUP, so ICCUP has no incentive to play nice with them (that's why the SC2 branch of ICCUP had to renounce them to start getting their maps on the ladder etc) On May 02 2012 16:09 Epithet wrote: I know this is just the inner BW fan talking in me, but please consider doing one last BW Day9 Daily as a last hurrah. I remember when you used cast the OSL and that was amazing to put it bluntly. I realize this probably won't happen with your work schedule and now that you moved onto SC2, but I couldn't live with myself without asking. Please do this, Day[9]! If BW is going out, then let it go out with as much of a fanfare as we can muster. | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:57 Sprouter wrote: some of you guys can kick and scream all you like, if this is what it takes to keep the best players playing starcraft (2), then so be it. i'm really surprised there are so many people (who claim to be) leaving when there are still many excellent players. if a game switch killed your passion to cheer for Flash or Jaedong, good riddens to you.Some of the fans of Flash/Jaedong were not only entertained by the plays that these players have made, but the game itself. By saying that not blindly following Flash/Jaedong to SC2 is disgraceful as a fan is presumptuous. Flash, Jaedong, and the like were merely a medium that encouraged the love of BW, they didn't make it, it's the love of BW, and the love of watching how these guys managed to excel in the game with their plays/mechanics that made them fans. Hence, with the switch, they may tend to leave the scene because now they lose the very game they loved watching. In essence, the love of the game came first, then the love for the players. Without the existence of BW, the fans now have to watch their favorites play a game they may not like. The love of the game doesn't exist and the fan-support dwindles. It's the equivalent of having Stork, for example, switch to professional mobile gaming. There will be fans for Stork, but will you see fans switch interest? Of course. There will be fans that don't enjoy mobile games and thus, they will leave. They may like Stork, the individual, but there is also a degree of support from the fans that derives from what Stork did in BW. | ||
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buwitre
Philippines22 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:57 Sprouter wrote: some of you guys can kick and scream all you like, if this is what it takes to keep the best players playing starcraft (2), then so be it. i'm really surprised there are so many people (who claim to be) leaving when there are still many excellent players. if a game switch killed your passion to cheer for Flash or Jaedong, good riddens to you.Did anybody follow Michael Jordan when he made the transition into baseball? Just a question. | ||
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United States10328 Posts
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:57 Sprouter wrote: some of you guys can kick and scream all you like, if this is what it takes to keep the best players playing starcraft (2), then so be it. i'm really surprised there are so many people (who claim to be) leaving when there are still many excellent players. if a game switch killed your passion to cheer for Flash or Jaedong, good riddens to you.At the end of the day, no one actually liked Flash, the human being. Not in the same way SC2 fans like, say, MarineKing or Naniwa. They liked him because he was really good at BW. Full stop. Now that he's not playing BW, nothing about him is interesting excpet the possibility that he'll be really good at SC2, which obviously isn't appealing to people who don't care about SC2. The only BW player I ever liked for non-BW reasons is Hyuk, because he was a joke for so long and then all-killed STX and made Cholera a fan. I don't care about Jaedong's personal struggle, and neither does anyone else. I think that's maybe part of the reason BW failed (oh wow, past tense T_T), but it was what it was On May 02 2012 16:36 NotSorry wrote: Enjoy this last BW league then cry in a corner and pray to which ever god will listen to me that HOTS fixes sc2 It fixes things a little, but not a lot. I thought that, with the community dragging Blizz kicking and screaming into a real competitive game, and making tweaky maps, and experimenting with 6m1hyg and stuff, than SC2 could eventually really stand on its own. HotS makes the game more interesting, adds an extra 10-15 APM as a result, and is designed with an explicit goal of preventing 1A deathballs. Baby steps. 6m1hyg has tech-rush problems, but can make for really awesome and more APM intensive games if people open macro. Not BW, but in the right direction. I felt the game was, however slowly, getting it. So I was hopeful that by LotV, we'd have a worthy successor to BW. I still am hopeful that we'll get that one day. But we don't have it now, and we're not going to have it by October. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On May 02 2012 16:31 buwitre wrote: No I did not, in fact I even stopped watching Basketball all together once he retired from the Bulls, aside from a few play offs/finals I had money on. Did anybody follow Michael Jordan when he made the transition into baseball? Just a question. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
It's perfectly fine if any of you guys switch to sc2 because e.g. Flash did. But then you're more of a Flash fan rather than a BW fan. I always considered myself a BW fan. I'm not exactly a person to obsess over a player and send him fan letters, follow his every game without even playing it myself. At the same time I was grateful to see them play the game and push it to its limits. I cheered on all of them to do their best and deliver the best games possible. And they often did. Now it's over and I wish them good luck, but that's about it. I'm not interested at all in sc2. You might as well call me an unloyal fan, but know this: I am a loyal Brood War fan and I am proud to be one. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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