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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
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mtvacuum
United States979 Posts
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Masheyoon
United States781 Posts
I'm going to go off on a tangent with the following, but know that I'm not necessarily bashing them: I don't know how guys like Day[9], Tasteless, and Artosis managed to seemingly drop and completely forget about BW. They said themselves before SC2 was released, "StarCraft is my life" and yet they didn't seem to have a problem with basically giving the notion of, "shoot, out with the old and in with the new." To my knowledge not once did Day[9] even mention the happenings of the pro Korean BW scene during his streams after SC2's release. It seems very fraile and fickle to me, but hey, hats off to you guys. As for me, BW truly is my life and I'm going to remember and respect it until the day I die. | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On May 02 2012 14:14 Masheyoon wrote: Once again, I can't emphasize strongly enough on how depressing and heartbreaking this is. The pro Korean BW scene was always there for me and it seemed as though it had proven that it could stand the test of time... it still hasn't sunk in for me... I'm going to go off on a tangent with the following, but know that I'm not necessarily bashing them: I don't know how guys like Day[9], Tasteless, and Artosis managed to seemingly drop and completely forget about BW. They said themselves before SC2 was released, "StarCraft is my life" and yet they didn't seem to have a problem with basically giving the notion of, "shoot, out with the old and in with the new." To my knowledge not once did Day[9] even mention the happenings of the pro Korean BW scene during his streams after SC2's release. It seems very fraile and fickle to me, but hey, hats off to you guys. As for me, BW truly is my life and I'm going to remember and respect it until the day I die. I've always felt that they were aggressively opportunistic fellows -- and I don't mean that necessarily an entirely negative way. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
On May 02 2012 14:10 sCCrooked wrote: Call me an elitist, call me sore or what have you. This news just makes me sick to read. SC is the one and only community I really loved enough to put in hours of time/work, all for free. To me, the death of BW is the end of e-sports. Most of my korean friends feel similarly. Once the final PL and tournaments are done, I think I'm done with gaming for a long time. BW was the last hope for a real e-sport based off a game the required real skill and dedication imo. Its too bad. E-sports really was looking like they were headed for the big stage too... yeah its sad, to a lot of people this would be considered a wake up call, all good things come to an end, all they can do is to hope for the best for the pros, or not if they are bitter about it. the amateur BW scene isn't going anywhere, so why should I, as much as I loved it as an esport I love it as a game too... | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On May 02 2012 14:14 Masheyoon wrote: Once again, I can't emphasize strongly enough on how depressing and heartbreaking this is. The pro Korean BW scene was always there for me and it seemed as though it had proven that it could stand the test of time... it still hasn't sunk in for me... I'm going to go off on a tangent with the following, but know that I'm not necessarily bashing them: I don't know how guys like Day[9], Tasteless, and Artosis managed to seemingly drop and completely forget about BW. They said themselves before SC2 was released, "StarCraft is my life" and yet they didn't seem to have a problem with basically giving the notion of, "shoot, out with the old and in with the new." To my knowledge not once did Day[9] even mention the happenings of the pro Korean BW scene during his streams after SC2's release. It seems very fraile and fickle to me, but hey, hats off to you guys. As for me, BW truly is my life and I'm going to remember and respect it until the day I die. why would he shoot himself in the foot and bite the hand that feeds? (day9 that is) | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Obviously, BW could have kept going. However, with the rest of the world playing more SC2 than BW, Korea/BW wouldn't be able to spread easily. In that sense, there would be 2 esports groups (or starcraft groups), instead of 1 big, unified, global group. So, at least don't think of it as BW dying. It's more just about Kespa choosing to transition into SC2, hoping to keep Korea as the mecca of esports (it can't really be the mecca if everyone else is playing sc2 right?) (In the current meeting, Kespa has said that they are switching to SC2 with the intent to grow esports by holding the title of being the mecca of esports while at the same time combining forces with all other current SC2 bodies). Still, I'm going to miss BW. But with everyone playing SC2, there should be more pressure for Blizzard to improve/fix the game. For example, if all the BW players switch and -- as some predict -- they do really well, with TBLS owning even the top SC2 progamers atm, and at the same time, show significant flaws in the game as either or both a player and spectator, Blizzard should feel more motivated to address such issues. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On May 02 2012 14:18 Taku wrote: So you guys want to give odds on how long before the scene folds? end of season 2 i suppose....=[ | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
However, as I see it, it will be up to the players to make SC2 interesting. I still don't believe Blizzard will be able to make a worthy sequel. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
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fold
Australia665 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:11 BlackGosu wrote: Exciting news, this is a great step forward for esports ! Is broodwar not esports? | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
...I cried when I heard that BW is basically going to fade away. Every memory I can retrieve has BW peppered in there in some way. And now it's just... going to go away?  . Blagh. I mean I know I do SC2 but I played BW for TEN YEARS. That's x4 as long as I've done anything SC2 related. The impact and influence it's had on my life is unimaginable. I seriously need to get some massive torrent of every single BW VOD ever. All OGN and MBC stuff so I can watch it as an old man :[.Gah BW just means so much to me :[ | ||
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:21 Taku wrote: Btw if someone were really nice it'd be cool to get korean netizen reactions to the complete switchover news lol. "if fucking kespa switches like dicks i'll never watch starcraft again i hope it fails these idiot kids" is #1 voted comment according to Kiett | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:21 Taku wrote: Btw if someone were really nice it'd be cool to get korean netizen reactions to the complete switchover news lol. It's about the same as on TL. The SC2 vs BW argument exists too. They are also a lot ruder - some want kespa to fail lol BW really is over since seasons 3 is probably going to be SC2 only. The only thing I want to look forward to is the former BW pros destroying current SC2 players so that I can laugh at their scene. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:40 Day[9] wrote: I hope I'm not the only one who did this but... ...I cried when I heard that BW is basically going to fade away. Every memory I can retrieve has BW peppered in there in some way. And now it's just... going to go away? . Blagh. I mean I know I do SC2 but I played BW for TEN YEARS. That's x4 as long as I've done anything SC2 related. The impact and influence it's had on my life is unimaginable. I seriously need to get some massive torrent of every single BW VOD ever. All OGN and MBC stuff so I can watch it as an old man :[.Gah BW just means so much to me :[ there is a torrent for almost everything MBC....actually its a 3 part torrent. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=26401¤tpage=382#7624 there you go, that and the next 2 posts. | ||
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
On May 02 2012 14:14 Masheyoon wrote: Once again, I can't emphasize strongly enough on how depressing and heartbreaking this is. The pro Korean BW scene was always there for me and it seemed as though it had proven that it could stand the test of time... it still hasn't sunk in for me... I'm going to go off on a tangent with the following, but know that I'm not necessarily bashing them: I don't know how guys like Day[9], Tasteless, and Artosis managed to seemingly drop and completely forget about BW. They said themselves before SC2 was released, "StarCraft is my life" and yet they didn't seem to have a problem with basically giving the notion of, "shoot, out with the old and in with the new." To my knowledge not once did Day[9] even mention the happenings of the pro Korean BW scene during his streams after SC2's release. It seems very fraile and fickle to me, but hey, hats off to you guys. As for me, BW truly is my life and I'm going to remember and respect it until the day I die. Given how often Day[9] brings up BW on SOTG ( and less often but still sometimes on the daily) when given half a chance I'd say he hasn't forgotten it. Him, Artosis and Nony can get rather nostalgic and you can tell they wish starcraft 2 was more than what it currently is. You can hear honest passion and yearning in their voices when Nony talks about Jangbi's carrier use and decision making in the OSL or derision in Artosis' voice when he wonders why blizzard won't just make the proposed warhound a damned goliath. You could hear those three ask for things to be more BW style (maps, unit design etc) so often that it became a running joke of how fast they could bring up BW. I haven't been around since the beginning though so I can't comment on if they never made an effort to get new fans to at least try BW or direct them at the bw streams when tournaments were on. I know I don't recall them doing that lately though which is sad. I'm not so sure they were disloyal to the spirit of BW so much as they hoped for a more accessible future. With sc2 was the chance to expand something they loved and make it a game they could share with so many more people. Starcraft 2 is, however, not really what a lot of the old crowd was hoping for but they do their best to keep people interested. There is hope yet that future expansions can be used to find the depth BW has and make sc2 worthy of BW's legacy. Of course that's just my take on the matter and others are free to read into the situation what they will. I was brought into the scene by Sc2 but I've come to really admire and enjoy BW as well. I'll remain on TL for both games and both communities since a true merging of them is unlikely to ever happen. | ||
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