I seriously don't understand this irrational hatred towards SC2.
You guys all argue about how BW is superior because of higher skill cap, easier to see what's going on, greater difficulty and yet you can watch LoL and Dota2?
Wow...
Many many BW veterans moved to Dota and LoL simply because it just isn't possible to enjoy SC2 when you've had BW. I myself have moved onto playing Dota. Those games stand alone at the top of their genre, whilst SC2 is this mangled version of the perfect RTS...
On April 20 2012 23:35 Ouga wrote: Lol @ anyone being surprised that flash got to MASTERS. I'm actually surprised if it takes more than a week or two for any current top bw'ers to be at EU(/NA) gm level. They're just that much better, and game isn't different enough for them to need more time. Ofc beating current sc2 korean pros will take more time since then it'll be more about smaller decisions that need to be learned by massing more games.
Ya i have to agree with this, I think people are hyping this a little to much. Yes flash will be good, one of the best inn sc2. but getting inn to masters as one of the best RTS players inn the world through history it should not come as a surprise he will be among the 2% of the players just by pure mechanical skills. getting among the 0,1% will take longer.
Just look at Forgg(Fin) he was a good BW pro. He was so confident he said he would win Code S his first season in code S, we are now at the second season of his at gsl and he has again dropped down to code A, and is 1 lose from falling inn to code B. And he never advanced through the first round even. BW pros are not gods, they will be some of the best players no doubt, but lets not go overboard with hype.
You do realize that every Code S champion has been ex BW progamers right?
Just to clarify, Jjakji or Polt were not professional BW players. DRG was a practice partner for CJ, but that's about as far as he went.
Oh yeah, was suppose to be semi/progamer. Jjakji and DRG wasn't full time progamers. Polt have never won Code S tho.
No he just won the biggest tournament GSL has ever made. GSL super tournament a direct code S but the skill to take it is just as high if not higher.
I seriously don't understand this irrational hatred towards SC2.
You guys all argue about how BW is superior because of higher skill cap, easier to see what's going on, greater difficulty and yet you can watch LoL and Dota2?
Wow...
Many many BW veterans moved to Dota and LoL simply because it just isn't possible to SC2 when you've had BW. I myself have moved onto playing Dota. Those games stand alone at the top of their genre, whilst SC2 is this mangled version of the perfect RTS...
I would even start watching SF2 and CS : Go if the opportunities arises than sitting over a game of supreme commander 2 (sc2).
The other thing that amuses me about the SC scene is that they mock SC2 for being simple. Go look at SC when it was a year or two years after release. Tell me the meta was more evolved then for the SC2 scene is now. It's not because the game is bad, it's because it hasn't had a decade and a half to become the game SC is now. If you don't like SC2 then help change it instead of sitting around pining for days gone by.
On April 21 2012 00:34 Thauleris wrote: The other thing that amuses me about the SC scene is that they mock SC2 for being simple. Go look at SC when it was a year or two years after release. Tell me the meta was more evolved then for the SC2 scene is now. It's not because the game is bad, it's because it hasn't had a decade and a half to become the game SC is now. If you don't like SC2 then help change it instead of sitting around pining for days gone by.
Can't help the game when every time a unit is abused and the lower league players can't handle it . It get's nerf and the potential of the unit to be one of the units to micro and abuse it's gone forever . I mean just look at reapers man, they talk so much about it the beta days only for it to be used as some sort a throw away unit compared to it's glorious days .
In my opinion blizzard had too much say over the game and to balance it for the casuals and the pro's it's really disastrous .
On April 21 2012 00:34 Thauleris wrote: The other thing that amuses me about the SC scene is that they mock SC2 for being simple. Go look at SC when it was a year or two years after release. Tell me the meta was more evolved then for the SC2 scene is now. It's not because the game is bad, it's because it hasn't had a decade and a half to become the game SC is now. If you don't like SC2 then help change it instead of sitting around pining for days gone by.
Please stop making that comparison because it's silly. SC2 learned a lot from BW, such as the concept of natural expansions (not on 2000-era BW maps!)
But I'm going to take this moment to pimp the Ribbon classic, on 2001-era maps.
On April 21 2012 00:34 Thauleris wrote: The other thing that amuses me about the SC scene is that they mock SC2 for being simple. Go look at SC when it was a year or two years after release. Tell me the meta was more evolved then for the SC2 scene is now. It's not because the game is bad, it's because it hasn't had a decade and a half to become the game SC is now. If you don't like SC2 then help change it instead of sitting around pining for days gone by.
Can't help the game when every time a unit is abused and the lower league players can't handle it . It get's nerf and the potential of the unit to be one of the units to micro and abuse it's gone forever . I mean just look at reapers man, they talk so much about it the beta days only for it to be used as some sort a throw away unit compared to it's glorious days .
In my opinion blizzard had too much say over the game and to balance it for the casuals and the pro's it's really disastrous .
Reapers were nerfed because of three reasons.
1. Pros were complaining that Terran had too many openings that looked the same when you scouted but required wildly different responses 2. 3. Since they had to nerf a Terran opening anyway, they nerfed the one that that dominating 2v2.
Reapers are also getting buffed again in HotS, being given a health regen to make them a unit that can pop in and out of a base and be annoying all game, rather than just a TvT opening.
in really tired of this, the sad thing is that almost every single post of sc2 fans in bw forum is something like this, im done explaining the same thing over and over again
On April 21 2012 00:34 Thauleris wrote: The other thing that amuses me about the SC scene is that they mock SC2 for being simple. Go look at SC when it was a year or two years after release. Tell me the meta was more evolved then for the SC2 scene is now. It's not because the game is bad, it's because it hasn't had a decade and a half to become the game SC is now. If you don't like SC2 then help change it instead of sitting around pining for days gone by.
Stop it. There's no denying sc2 is simpler than BW, it's not opinion, it's fact. Whether or not that is a reason enough for someone to dislike the game is a different story, but that's totally on the individual.
On April 21 2012 00:34 Thauleris wrote: The other thing that amuses me about the SC scene is that they mock SC2 for being simple. Go look at SC when it was a year or two years after release. Tell me the meta was more evolved then for the SC2 scene is now. It's not because the game is bad, it's because it hasn't had a decade and a half to become the game SC is now. If you don't like SC2 then help change it instead of sitting around pining for days gone by.
Can't help the game when every time a unit is abused and the lower league players can't handle it . It get's nerf and the potential of the unit to be one of the units to micro and abuse it's gone forever . I mean just look at reapers man, they talk so much about it the beta days only for it to be used as some sort a throw away unit compared to it's glorious days .
In my opinion blizzard had too much say over the game and to balance it for the casuals and the pro's it's really disastrous .
Edit: And you too. Seriously, this is the perfect example of people on each side of the fence taking pot shots at each other without having any knowledge at all of what the other game is like. Please stop this nonsense people :/
On April 21 2012 00:34 Thauleris wrote: The other thing that amuses me about the SC scene is that they mock SC2 for being simple. Go look at SC when it was a year or two years after release. Tell me the meta was more evolved then for the SC2 scene is now. It's not because the game is bad, it's because it hasn't had a decade and a half to become the game SC is now. If you don't like SC2 then help change it instead of sitting around pining for days gone by.
Yes 100% agree, At the start of SC people only used there mouse as a controller, the tactics where shallow and bad. If people just look at how much sc2 has evolved the last 2 years it is quite crazy! Sc2 will continue to evolve, just like Sc/BW did. i love both games, but BW is coming to a end, some people want to leave the Starcraft ship, I am ok with that but i want to see the Sc2 scene evolve even more and become as good a game as it can become. the skill cap is not nearly reached yet
On April 20 2012 23:50 Aunvilgod wrote: Could maybe someone explain to me WHY BW is more interesting/challenging than SCII. As far as I know the differences are not that big. Just because the players are not very good the game is not necessarily bad.
Note that I think the rumor about lower skillcap of SCII is crap. Players still die to bad multitasking...
I think it's mostly people that have some sort of bitterness toward sc2, a lack of experience with sc2, or are just uninformed. The games are different, so yeah, not everyone is going to like both, but they require very similar skill sets and are a lot more similar than angry elitists make them out to be.
Nope, BW is just better to watch, as both more interesting to watch then chess or poker. There is a reason why BW have casual fans (who don't play videogames), and sc2 fans are all playing or have played sc2.
For me is: - graphical style is better (mature, no stupid toyish buildings) - units not clumping in one ball (that just look better) - better balance, and not only race balance, but also balance of opportunities and abilities (no stupid crap like "1 vortex with archons and zerg is dead, but without it protoss is dead") - as a result of previous one - game have more diversity and more dynamic. - level of play. No one in sc2 can multitask nearly as good as Bisu. - no tournaments overloading. 1 OSL, 1 MSL, 1 Proleague. Every game counts. - and the History, that lead to Stories and Drama, and sometimes Comedy. Just compare your usual preview\recap from gstl and preview\recap from proleague.
All of this (besides graphical differences, which are completely preference based) is not inherent to sc2, but rather to any young game.
On April 21 2012 00:29 jumbotroN wrote: I really don't want to see this happening, BW is much more developed than SC2 and also the maps are better and supply the specs with more exciting matches.
That may have something to do with the fact that Brood War was made in 1998.
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