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GTR
51329 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:13 Gosi wrote: You do realize that every Code S champion has been ex BW progamers right? Just to clarify, Jjakji or Polt (if you want to count the Super Tournament) were not professional BW players. DRG was a practice partner for CJ, but that's about as far as he went. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:18 GTR wrote: Just to clarify, Jjakji or Polt were not professional BW players. DRG was a practice partner for CJ, but that's about as far as he went. Oh yeah, was suppose to be semi/progamer. Jjakji and DRG wasn't full time progamers. Polt have never won Code S tho. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:13 elagrion wrote: Nope, BW is just better to watch, as both more interesting to watch then chess or poker. There is a reason why BW have casual fans (who don't play videogames), and sc2 fans are all playing or have played sc2. For me is: - graphical style is better (mature, no stupid toyish buildings) - units not clumping in one ball (that just look better) - better balance, and not only race balance, but also balance of opportunities and abilities (no stupid crap like "1 vortex with archons and zerg is dead, but without it protoss is dead") - as a result of previous one - game have more diversity and more dynamic. - level of play. No one in sc2 can multitask nearly as good as Bisu. - no tournaments overloading. 1 OSL, 1 MSL, 1 Proleague. Every game counts. - and the History, that lead to Stories and Drama, and sometimes Comedy. Just compare your usual preview\recap from gstl and preview\recap from proleague. You can explain that over and over again and SC2 fans WON'T listen. They don't want to believe that their game, when compared to BW, is lacking so much. What happens is a clicle where we explain why we believe which one is superior, they find themselves trapped then they spit out the word elitism as a last defence measure. Rather than trying to explain why BW is better, this thread should be used to discuss what the fuck is gonna happen now. I sincerely believe that TBLS will fall into the common top tier SC2 pros because SC2 will crop out what makes a god from what makes a great pro. Watching Bisu dropping games to MC would be eye bleeding. :/ | ||
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Carlin
Norway52 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:13 elagrion wrote: Nope, BW is just better to watch, as both more interesting to watch then chess or poker. There is a reason why BW have casual fans (who don't play videogames), and sc2 fans are all playing or have played sc2. For me is: - graphical style is better (mature, no stupid toyish buildings) - units not clumping in one ball (that just look better) - better balance, and not only race balance, but also balance of opportunities and abilities (no stupid crap like "1 vortex with archons and zerg is dead, but without it protoss is dead") - as a result of previous one - game have more diversity and more dynamic. - level of play. No one in sc2 can multitask nearly as good as Bisu. - no tournaments overloading. 1 OSL, 1 MSL, 1 Proleague. Every game counts. - and the History, that lead to Stories and Drama, and sometimes Comedy. Just compare your usual preview\recap from gstl and preview\recap from proleague. Seriously.. Let BW die peacfuly, in full glory, and in it's tremendous 8 bit graphical form. Maybe HOTS can change some of you arrogant minds out there. TL;DR of this thread (According to all the TIME TO WATCH DOTA 2 guys): - Starcraft 2 fans have never watched any other e-sport ever. - Reddit is a virus (???) - Flash will win all the GSLs just by logging into KR b.net - Starcraft 2 is a toy game (???) - Money into the scene is bad. - Foreigner scene -- WHO NEEDS THAT WHEN YOU GOT 3 KOREAN TOURNAMENTS AS A MAXIMUM, EVER, FOREVER, TOGETHER? - Blizzard sucks. - Time to apply for DOTA 2 beta. Did I get it all? | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:10 Kralic wrote: It is going to be bad without my Friday and Saturday night Brood War to watch. There are a few big clan leagues that are streamed on daum, but it will not be the same.  I just hope that when the rest of the expansions are released they fix sc2 like bw fixed sc1(that is the only hope). From what I've heard of those who've played it, HotS moves things in the right direction a little, by having more interesting units like the Viper (a defiler, basically) and the Oracle (imo the coolest unit in the franchise), and forces a few more APM out of the game. 6m1hyg is also a thing that's showing promise, but is also stronger to cheese on than the designers thought. A macro game on a 6m1hyg map is a notable improvement over normal SC2, and forces another 20-30 APM, even though it doesn't live up to BW. (Sadly, Game 2 was a 3port banshee rush, highlighting the big problem with this type of map )SC2 will never live up to BW, but I think it'll end up lurching another 50 APM in the right direction, when all is said and done. On April 21 2012 00:13 Gosi wrote: You do realize that every Code S champion has been ex BW progamers right? Does that include Jjakji? And Polt (a War3 player) won the Super Tournament | ||
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
Im sure Flash, Jaedong and Bisu will be top players in SC2, but people thinking they will play 2 weeks and get in code A and then in 1 month they will win GSL are either very stupid or uber bias. Lesser good BW players are champions now in SC2 which means there is no rule that you will be good at SC2 if you were good at BW and game you played before means nothing, look at Polt. OT: new Flash in SC2 will be Maru. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:21 Carlin wrote: Seriously.. Let BW die peacfully, in full glory, and in it's tremendous 8 bit graphical form. Maybe HOTS can change some of you arrogant minds out there. TL;DR of this thread (According to all the TIME TO WATCH DOTA 2 guys): - Starcraft 2 fans have never watched any other e-sport ever. - Reddit is a virus (???) - Flash will win all the GSLs just by logging into KR b.net - Starcraft 2 is a toy game (???) - Blizzard sucks. - Time to apply for DOTA 2 beta. Did I get it all? Yup dude all in the name of E-Sports we must support every game out there and not only sc2 . | ||
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Noxblood
Norway374 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:06 Sawamura wrote: So you are criticising Forgg for stating out his desire that if he gets "His game back " ? I mean it's like me saying that If i am able to get back my golf swing in this amateur tournament I have a great chance of winning my first tournament . Sigh...... This is not a critic of Forgg, it is good to have high hopes. What I am criticizing is the hype that was around Forgg when he switched, people said he would dominate. And what how easy BW coaches seem to think BW pros will take over the SC2 scene. I like ForGG, and he will be good, but as he plays now he is not championship material. And as a former BW pro with good credentials with all the hype people are throwing BW players way he should already be dominating. The hype is just to much, getting inn to masters as one of the best players inn the history of RTS is not that impressive. And flash not knowing how the units worked is just stupid to say, flash is a bright guy, and SC2 and BW is not that different. I would expect him to get inn to masters even with his wrist problem. Yes Flash will most likely be one of the players dominating, but people make is sound like all BW players will dominate and I personally don't think that. I think some BW will be dominating along side other SC2 players that are also dominating. But When BW scene switches if that happens, i don't think that the hole sc2 scene as somebody here believes will be overrun with BW players that will just dominate all the SC2 players. Some people will like Flash and jeadong. | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:13 elagrion wrote: Nope, BW is just better to watch, as both more interesting to watch then chess or poker. There is a reason why BW have casual fans (who don't play videogames), and sc2 fans are all playing or have played sc2. For me is: - graphical style is better (mature, no stupid toyish buildings) - units not clumping in one ball (that just look better) - better balance, and not only race balance, but also balance of opportunities and abilities (no stupid crap like "1 vortex with archons and zerg is dead, but without it protoss is dead") - as a result of previous one - game have more diversity and more dynamic. - level of play. No one in sc2 can multitask nearly as good as Bisu. - no tournaments overloading. 1 OSL, 1 MSL, 1 Proleague. Every game counts. - and the History, that lead to Stories and Drama, and sometimes Comedy. Just compare your usual preview\recap from gstl and preview\recap from proleague. Your last two point is really biased. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:22 Noxblood wrote: This is not a critic of Forgg, it is good to have high hopes. What I am criticizing is the hype that was around Forgg when he switched, people said he would dominate. I like ForGG, and he will be good, but as he plays now he is not championship material. And as a former BW pro with good credentials with all the hype people are throwing BW players way he should already be dominating. The hype is just to much, getting inn to masters as one of the best players inn the history of RTS is not that impressive. And flash not knowing how the units worked is just stupid to say, flash is a bright guy, and SC2 and BW is not that different. I would expect him to get inn to masters even with his wrist problem. Yes Flash will most likely be one of the players dominating, but people make is sound like all BW players will dominate and I personally don't think that. I think some BW will be dominating along side other SC2 players that are also dominating. But When BW scene switches if that happens, i don't think that the hole sc2 scene as somebody here believes will be overrun with BW players that will just dominate all the SC2 players. Some people will like Flash and jeadong. You were only criticising him because of the elephant in the room thread debate if that thread didn't exist you wouldn't be bashing his high hopes of qualifying in to code S. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
That's cause it's his opinion, bro. He's entitled to it, and there's no point fighting over SC2 vs BW, thanks. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On April 20 2012 22:28 blubbdavid wrote: That's it for me. Oh so you don't like super high quality games? | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:20 fabiano wrote: Watching Bisu dropping games to MC would be eye bleeding. :/ Nah you can watch effort do that instead (Sorry I just had to) | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:18 Darksoldierr wrote: How do will BW players and current SC2 players compete eachanother? Kespa closed the doors for a year so the current sc2 scene cant join their osl, etc. Will they enter gsl, or not even meet in korea but an foreigner events, if they come? I read an interview with GOMtv's Mr. Chae and he said that he is open to having KeSPA players come play in GSL. Also, a lot of the articles and rumors that I've read about this issue do mention the foreign scene as a significant reason for this switch, so I do expect some participation in international events. Heck, there are even rumors of BW pros showing up at this coming MLG Anaheim. But according to FXOBoSs's blog, the tight Proleague schedule will definitely limit how much participating pros can compete in other leagues. He does complain that he will have trouble scheduling international events for his FXO players if the team does end up participating in an SC2 Proleague. Considering that this current OSL is still pure BW, that will definitely strain the practice schedules of players still competing in it, especially since rumors state that players will have to alternate between the 2 games in the hybrid Proleague. So, I think practice regimes and scheduling will be the main limiting factor on where the BW pros compete at rather than any drama or politics. | ||
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taitanik
Latvia231 Posts
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MegaFonzie
Australia1084 Posts
I just feel really bad for the people who are saying that this is pretty much the end for them. I can understand why - no one is forced to like anything - but it's saddening to see so many people lose something they have cherished for so long without something new to turn to. I salute ye fallen brethren | ||
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Thauleris
16 Posts
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FlyingDike
United States221 Posts
On April 20 2012 22:41 LighT. wrote: lol @ flash comment Although he may not be up to par with the top tier sc2 korean players, he's probably already up there. It's sad to see BW gradually being put to rest, and one of the greatest worries is that when sc:bw comes at a point where it's no longer played, the players quit from the e-sports scene. (Seeing that violet comment about sc2 being boring worries me a little). Hopefully players keep playing and we can get to see our favorite players continue to play for years to come. Lee young ho hwaiting! This is the most ignorant comment I have ever read. God made SC2. He is well up to par. | ||
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jumbotroN
Peru229 Posts
It would be a really sad day for eSports in general. But at least I hope the KeSPA players can help SC2 evolve and get to the Broodwar level  | ||
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