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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
April 20 2012 14:50 GMT
#101
Could maybe someone explain to me WHY BW is more interesting/challenging than SCII. As far as I know the differences are not that big. Just because the players are not very good the game is not necessarily bad.

Note that I think the rumor about lower skillcap of SCII is crap. Players still die to bad multitasking...
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
0kz
Profile Joined January 2010
Italy1118 Posts
April 20 2012 14:50 GMT
#102
On April 20 2012 23:48 Noxblood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:35 Ouga wrote:
Lol @ anyone being surprised that flash got to MASTERS. I'm actually surprised if it takes more than a week or two for any current top bw'ers to be at EU(/NA) gm level. They're just that much better, and game isn't different enough for them to need more time. Ofc beating current sc2 korean pros will take more time since then it'll be more about smaller decisions that need to be learned by massing more games.

Ya i have to agree with this, I think people are hyping this a little to much. Yes flash will be good one of the best inn sc2. but getting inn to masters as one of the best RTS players inn the world through history it should not come as a surprise he will be among the 2% of the players just by pure rts skills. getting among the 0,1% will take longer.

Just look at Forgg(Fin) he was a good BW pro. He was so confident he said he would win Code S his first season in code S, we are now at the second season of his at gsl and he has again dropped down to code A, and is 1 lose from falling inn to code B. And he never advanced through the first round even. BW pros are not gods, they will be some of the best players no doubt, but lets not go overboard with hype.


he was in rehabilitation.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:52:57
April 20 2012 14:50 GMT
#103
On April 20 2012 23:44 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:38 eviltomahawk wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:36 GTR wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:35 OpticalShot wrote:
I'll work on a full translation and send it via PM (hopefully that will dodge all the issues... right?). Send me a PM if you want it. Will be ready in maybe 3-4 hours, I'm at work and 'sneak-translating' takes a lot longer than straight up translating.


I suggest making a Tumblr or something, then posting the translation there, and posting the link to the Tumblr/blog/whatever in this thread.

I'll be going to bed in a few hours so I won't be able to 'post' anything else tonight.

Or post on Reddit and get all the karma


reddit is a virus.

Flash on the other hand is god.

On one hand, I don't want to see Flash switch over because Tastosis would fill their casts with Flash-worship jokes.

On the other hand, I want to see Flash switch over because Tastosis would fill their casts with Flash-worship jokes.

Tasteless might get his passun back.

On April 20 2012 23:50 Aunvilgod wrote:
Could maybe someone explain to me WHY BW is more interesting/challenging than SCII. As far as I know the differences are not that big. Just because the players are not very good the game is not necessarily bad.

Note that I think the rumor about lower skillcap of SCII is crap. Players still die to bad multitasking...

Go watch some BW and if your noggin's working alright you'll realise WHY.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:53:09
April 20 2012 14:52 GMT
#104
Edit: double post.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:54:49
April 20 2012 14:53 GMT
#105
On April 20 2012 23:50 Aunvilgod wrote:
Could maybe someone explain to me WHY BW is more interesting/challenging than SCII. As far as I know the differences are not that big. Just because the players are not very good the game is not necessarily bad.

Note that I think the rumor about lower skillcap of SCII is crap. Players still die to bad multitasking...


You can only say 'you know' when you've played 100+ BW games and reached D+ or maintained D on ICCup.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
DeadBull
Profile Joined August 2011
421 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:54:05
April 20 2012 14:53 GMT
#106
On April 20 2012 23:50 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:45 S2Glow wrote:
flash lol .. sc2 pros ? bw pros will come and pawn sc2 current pros sooner or later.


Like Hyun! Sure, he wasn't S-class, but he was still an A-teamer, top 30 on KeSPA rankings the month he switched, and leaps and bounds better at BW than any SC2 players were at time of switch.

And it shows! Look at all the success he's had in SC2! Sure, he's a mere 0-3 in the GSL/GSTL, but if you look at TLPD and include all his games in minor tournaments, he's an astounding 1-11.

Okay, so it was only one win. But it was against Revival, who's a terrifying 86th in Korean SC2 ELO rank!


HyuN gets bettere and better.
Watch his online Weekly Cups, if you have even a slightly idea how sc2 works
you will see that he will be one of the best zergs soon.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
April 20 2012 14:54 GMT
#107
On April 20 2012 23:50 Aunvilgod wrote:
Could maybe someone explain to me WHY BW is more interesting/challenging than SCII. As far as I know the differences are not that big. Just because the players are not very good the game is not necessarily bad.

Note that I think the rumor about lower skillcap of SCII is crap. Players still die to bad multitasking...

I think it's mostly people that have some sort of bitterness toward sc2, a lack of experience with sc2, or are just uninformed. The games are different, so yeah, not everyone is going to like both, but they require very similar skill sets and are a lot more similar than angry elitists make them out to be.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 20 2012 14:54 GMT
#108
I doubt they will get rid of all of BW, I bet you some of the pros, if not most may stay in BW till it is no longer profitable.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:55:10
April 20 2012 14:54 GMT
#109
On April 20 2012 23:53 DeadBull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:50 Ribbon wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:45 S2Glow wrote:
flash lol .. sc2 pros ? bw pros will come and pawn sc2 current pros sooner or later.


Like Hyun! Sure, he wasn't S-class, but he was still an A-teamer, top 30 on KeSPA rankings the month he switched, and leaps and bounds better at BW than any SC2 players were at time of switch.

And it shows! Look at all the success he's had in SC2! Sure, he's a mere 0-3 in the GSL/GSTL, but if you look at TLPD and include all his games in minor tournaments, he's an astounding 1-11.

Okay, so it was only one win. But it was against Revival, who's a terrifying 86th in Korean SC2 ELO rank!


HyuN gets bettere and better.


He hasn't won a match in five months, and he's losing to Chinese players I had to look up.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 20 2012 14:54 GMT
#110
On April 20 2012 23:53 DeadBull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:50 Ribbon wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:45 S2Glow wrote:
flash lol .. sc2 pros ? bw pros will come and pawn sc2 current pros sooner or later.


Like Hyun! Sure, he wasn't S-class, but he was still an A-teamer, top 30 on KeSPA rankings the month he switched, and leaps and bounds better at BW than any SC2 players were at time of switch.

And it shows! Look at all the success he's had in SC2! Sure, he's a mere 0-3 in the GSL/GSTL, but if you look at TLPD and include all his games in minor tournaments, he's an astounding 1-11.

Okay, so it was only one win. But it was against Revival, who's a terrifying 86th in Korean SC2 ELO rank!


HyuN gets bettere and better.
Watch his online Weekly Cups, if you have even a slightly idea how sc2 works
you will see that he will be one of the best zergs soon.


Hyun is playing at dreamhack this weekend also so that will be a nice test to see where he's at.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
April 20 2012 14:55 GMT
#111
On April 20 2012 23:48 Noxblood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:35 Ouga wrote:
Lol @ anyone being surprised that flash got to MASTERS. I'm actually surprised if it takes more than a week or two for any current top bw'ers to be at EU(/NA) gm level. They're just that much better, and game isn't different enough for them to need more time. Ofc beating current sc2 korean pros will take more time since then it'll be more about smaller decisions that need to be learned by massing more games.

Ya i have to agree with this, I think people are hyping this a little to much. Yes flash will be good, one of the best inn sc2. but getting inn to masters as one of the best RTS players inn the world through history it should not come as a surprise he will be among the 2% of the players just by pure mechanical skills. getting among the 0,1% will take longer.

Just look at Forgg(Fin) he was a good BW pro. He was so confident he said he would win Code S his first season in code S, we are now at the second season of his at gsl and he has again dropped down to code A, and is 1 lose from falling inn to code B. And he never advanced through the first round even. BW pros are not gods, they will be some of the best players no doubt, but lets not go overboard with hype.


The point is, Flash did it injured and basically on 1 arm, i know its still only masters but its fairly impressive imo.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 20 2012 14:55 GMT
#112
Some people play the sc2 single player campaign on brutal with only marines and no upgrades. Flash does that in multiplayer.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 20 2012 14:55 GMT
#113
On April 20 2012 23:48 Noxblood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:35 Ouga wrote:
Lol @ anyone being surprised that flash got to MASTERS. I'm actually surprised if it takes more than a week or two for any current top bw'ers to be at EU(/NA) gm level. They're just that much better, and game isn't different enough for them to need more time. Ofc beating current sc2 korean pros will take more time since then it'll be more about smaller decisions that need to be learned by massing more games.

Ya i have to agree with this, I think people are hyping this a little to much. Yes flash will be good, one of the best inn sc2. but getting inn to masters as one of the best RTS players inn the world through history it should not come as a surprise he will be among the 2% of the players just by pure mechanical skills. getting among the 0,1% will take longer.

Just look at Forgg(Fin) he was a good BW pro. He was so confident he said he would win Code S his first season in code S, we are now at the second season of his at gsl and he has again dropped down to code A, and is 1 lose from falling inn to code B. And he never advanced through the first round even. BW pros are not gods, they will be some of the best players no doubt, but lets not go overboard with hype.


Source or I ain't buying it I recall reading his first interview when he won a single game he didn't say he is confident to win the code S in the first try he stated that he was following MVP play style really closely . Don't twist the story to give an inaccurate facts okay ?
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
April 20 2012 14:56 GMT
#114
Winter is coming, current pro players better try to cash out while they can
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 20 2012 14:56 GMT
#115
On April 20 2012 23:54 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:53 DeadBull wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:50 Ribbon wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:45 S2Glow wrote:
flash lol .. sc2 pros ? bw pros will come and pawn sc2 current pros sooner or later.


Like Hyun! Sure, he wasn't S-class, but he was still an A-teamer, top 30 on KeSPA rankings the month he switched, and leaps and bounds better at BW than any SC2 players were at time of switch.

And it shows! Look at all the success he's had in SC2! Sure, he's a mere 0-3 in the GSL/GSTL, but if you look at TLPD and include all his games in minor tournaments, he's an astounding 1-11.

Okay, so it was only one win. But it was against Revival, who's a terrifying 86th in Korean SC2 ELO rank!


HyuN gets bettere and better.


He hasn't won a match in five months, and he's losing to Chinese players I had to look up.

Well, his international TLPD page looks better than his Korean TLPD page.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
RageCommodore
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
April 20 2012 14:56 GMT
#116
On April 20 2012 23:53 DeadBull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:50 Ribbon wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:45 S2Glow wrote:
flash lol .. sc2 pros ? bw pros will come and pawn sc2 current pros sooner or later.


Like Hyun! Sure, he wasn't S-class, but he was still an A-teamer, top 30 on KeSPA rankings the month he switched, and leaps and bounds better at BW than any SC2 players were at time of switch.

And it shows! Look at all the success he's had in SC2! Sure, he's a mere 0-3 in the GSL/GSTL, but if you look at TLPD and include all his games in minor tournaments, he's an astounding 1-11.

Okay, so it was only one win. But it was against Revival, who's a terrifying 86th in Korean SC2 ELO rank!


HyuN gets bettere and better.
Watch his online Weekly Cups, if you have even a slightly idea how sc2 works
you will see that he will be one of the best zergs soon.


I agree, it was just that he really had no idea how the game/units worked.
BW: sGs.sTaRfaLL SC2: MarojiN | fan of: Darkforce, DBS, Last, Mvp, BoguS/InnoVatioN | Executer vs Choosy on Gladiator - Never forget T-T
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
April 20 2012 14:57 GMT
#117
Not buying the whole elephant in the room thing. Not because of the players but rather because of SC2. I do not believe SC2 currently or in the future has the capacity to really show of the skill disparity between god tier players and good players.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
April 20 2012 14:57 GMT
#118
I just feel like a part of me died. I just refuse to accept SC2 as a succesor of BW.... I mean i tried hard to watch and enjoy it but its just not happening . The complexity of the streams together with the whole " give me money if you dont wanna watch terrible stream " just pulls me away even more.

Well I'm done with Starcraft I guess and gonna follow Dota 2 casually like I've been in the past couple of weeks.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
April 20 2012 14:58 GMT
#119
On April 20 2012 23:57 ShadeR wrote:
Not buying the whole elephant in the room thing. Not because of the players but rather because of SC2. I do not believe SC2 currently or in the future has the capacity to really show of the skill disparity between god tier players and good players.


This. And I'm not looking forward to the disappointment at all.
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
April 20 2012 14:59 GMT
#120
On April 20 2012 23:50 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:44 eviltomahawk wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:38 eviltomahawk wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:36 GTR wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:35 OpticalShot wrote:
I'll work on a full translation and send it via PM (hopefully that will dodge all the issues... right?). Send me a PM if you want it. Will be ready in maybe 3-4 hours, I'm at work and 'sneak-translating' takes a lot longer than straight up translating.


I suggest making a Tumblr or something, then posting the translation there, and posting the link to the Tumblr/blog/whatever in this thread.

I'll be going to bed in a few hours so I won't be able to 'post' anything else tonight.

Or post on Reddit and get all the karma


reddit is a virus.

Flash on the other hand is god.

On one hand, I don't want to see Flash switch over because Tastosis would fill their casts with Flash-worship jokes.

On the other hand, I want to see Flash switch over because Tastosis would fill their casts with Flash-worship jokes.

Tasteless might get his passun back.

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:50 Aunvilgod wrote:
Could maybe someone explain to me WHY BW is more interesting/challenging than SCII. As far as I know the differences are not that big. Just because the players are not very good the game is not necessarily bad.

Note that I think the rumor about lower skillcap of SCII is crap. Players still die to bad multitasking...

Go watch some BW and if your noggin's working alright you'll realise WHY.

I'm a BW fan but I'm not going to sit here and say every single BW game is interesting. If you look at the recommended games from the LR threads most of them are not even recommended.
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