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1sz2sz3sz
Profile Joined January 2012
Andorra173 Posts
April 20 2012 14:35 GMT
#81
On April 20 2012 23:33 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:28 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:25 Ribbon wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:16 BluemoonSC wrote:
- Ji-hoon 'During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did'


this is hilarious. just goes to show you A) how good flash's macro is and B) how ez sc2 is.


Master's league = top 2% = top 2000 or so.

I mean, I'm sure Flash is good, but it's not like getting Masters is some huge achievement. Just being in Masters doesn't even qualify you to enter the GSL qualifiers.


Except he could only play with one hand

He didn't even know what the units did by the time he got to masters.

This means he basically won every game all the way to masters, in the few days before he could move his arm well enough for BW.



He was presumably also Terran, so that's like diamond for a balanced race

Terran would be the hardest race to play with one hand, considering you cant a-move like you can with zerg and protoss

GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:36:57
April 20 2012 14:36 GMT
#82
On April 20 2012 23:35 OpticalShot wrote:
I'll work on a full translation and send it via PM (hopefully that will dodge all the issues... right?). Send me a PM if you want it. Will be ready in maybe 3-4 hours, I'm at work and 'sneak-translating' takes a lot longer than straight up translating.


I suggest making a Tumblr or something, then posting the translation there, and posting the link to the Tumblr/blog/whatever in this thread.

I'll be going to bed in a few hours so I won't be able to 'post' anything else tonight.
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ThePiedPiper
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada102 Posts
April 20 2012 14:36 GMT
#83
Cannot wait for them to switch, it will be awesome!
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:38:40
April 20 2012 14:37 GMT
#84
I like how the article uses one of those shitty beta esque images with carriers.

also cj coach just has a random keyboard in front of him lol.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 20 2012 14:38 GMT
#85
On April 20 2012 23:36 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:35 OpticalShot wrote:
I'll work on a full translation and send it via PM (hopefully that will dodge all the issues... right?). Send me a PM if you want it. Will be ready in maybe 3-4 hours, I'm at work and 'sneak-translating' takes a lot longer than straight up translating.


I suggest making a Tumblr or something, then posting the translation there, and posting the link to the Tumblr/blog/whatever in this thread.

I'll be going to bed in a few hours so I won't be able to 'post' anything else tonight.

Or post on Reddit and get all the karma
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white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:45:05
April 20 2012 14:40 GMT
#86
It's an issue of a difference of standards. BW fans know that BW offers a higher quality level of entertainment and on-screen action and so SC2 looks comparatively pale and limp (and therefore inferior). SC2 fans on the other hand do not know (or want to know) about BW and the things they see happening in SC2 are things they think are the best things ever so it is ultimately a difference in standards and expectations between BW and SC2 fans. Thats really the source of the fighting between the two.

SC2 deathballs continue to be gay and none of the units are particularly interesting when compared to BW units. The only thing I'm looking forward to is how high TBLS and A-class BW players can get in SC2. If they end up destroying the current top SC2 fans, the idea that the BW players moving in right on top of them would be hilarious. If few or none of them are able to do well then that would suggest some erious issues with the competitiveness and skill cap of the game.

On April 20 2012 23:35 OpticalShot wrote:
I'll work on a full translation and send it via PM (hopefully that will dodge all the issues... right?). Send me a PM if you want it. Will be ready in maybe 3-4 hours, I'm at work and 'sneak-translating' takes a lot longer than straight up translating.


Only 3-4 hours to translate that monster?? Damn are you like a genius at this?? Something like that would take me at least 6 or 7 or even 8 when you think about what they are trying to convey.
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
April 20 2012 14:41 GMT
#87
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7896 Posts
April 20 2012 14:41 GMT
#88
- Ji-hoon 'During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did'


Funny. I wonder what is the part of truth there, but I expect him to roll over most of today's SC2 champions...
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50272 Posts
April 20 2012 14:42 GMT
#89
On April 20 2012 23:38 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:36 GTR wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:35 OpticalShot wrote:
I'll work on a full translation and send it via PM (hopefully that will dodge all the issues... right?). Send me a PM if you want it. Will be ready in maybe 3-4 hours, I'm at work and 'sneak-translating' takes a lot longer than straight up translating.


I suggest making a Tumblr or something, then posting the translation there, and posting the link to the Tumblr/blog/whatever in this thread.

I'll be going to bed in a few hours so I won't be able to 'post' anything else tonight.

Or post on Reddit and get all the karma


reddit is a virus.

Flash on the other hand is god.
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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
April 20 2012 14:43 GMT
#90
On April 20 2012 23:30 LighT. wrote:
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On April 20 2012 23:01 Ribbon wrote:
On April 20 2012 22:42 figq wrote:
I refuse to believe there will be no BW professional leagues at some point. In fact, it's pretty impossible - even if the current scene is forced into SC2, at the very least BW will have its foreign scene, which is currently enjoying quite some tournaments; and I'm convinced many Koreans will continue to organize at least top amateur level events.


This is very true. I sincerely doubt we'll stop seeing A+ level on ICCUP or better tournaments for a long time. Just not on TV for six figures. I think BW will kind of exist in this weird place, before getting to a new equilibrium of being bigger than, say, counter-strike, but smaller than LoL.

It'll be interesting to see, then, who in the BW scene loves BW and who loves the large salaries of BW. I kind of expect any TLBS who switch to SC2 to switch back to BW after they retire (because you don't get to the tippy-top like that without loving the game), while a few with less to lose will play outside of KeSPA in small-money tournaments, which'd be bigger than the ISLs we foreign fans can get.

On April 20 2012 22:58 fabiano wrote:
:|

The last hope is that BW top pros can somehow make SC2 fun.


Right before the LAST thread of this topic was closed, someone posted a Korean article on the switch mentioning that SC2 being less interesting to watch that BW was a problem for KeSPA to fix. That, honestly, was much more interesting to me than anything else that's come out of this rumor mill in months and months. I'm really curious to how KeSPA would make force SC2 to be better. 6m1hyg is showing promise, but also showing a lot of weird cheeses.

The entertainment is a small problem.
in BW you had mine drags, reaver's scarabs, storms plagues, and all sorts of fun spells which made the game entertaining.
While SC2 does have its baneling bombs for mine drag detonations, storms arent the same, the AI's has been refined such that there isnt really an element of randomness/luck involved which makes it exciting (scarabs), and while fungal has the same effect as plague...I dont know..it doesnt feel the same.


It seems that a 6m1hyg map leads to either a much improved game or a really wacky all-in. I think a properly designed one could go a long way. But I'm honestly really curious as to what KeSPA would try. HotS has a couple of really good units (Viper, especially the Oracle), along with some less-good ones. Blizzard is starting to listen to the competitive scene more, and KeSPA is in a unique position to make demands, because the Korean scene depends on them (and so, by extension, does the foreign scene). I don't think they'll get rid of MBS or anything like that, or use a mod like SC2BW to enforce BW mechanics on the SC2 units, but it'd be really interesting to see what the BW scene thinks is the one big issue with SC2 they can try to alleviate.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
April 20 2012 14:44 GMT
#91
What the
fuck
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 20 2012 14:44 GMT
#92
On April 20 2012 23:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:38 eviltomahawk wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:36 GTR wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:35 OpticalShot wrote:
I'll work on a full translation and send it via PM (hopefully that will dodge all the issues... right?). Send me a PM if you want it. Will be ready in maybe 3-4 hours, I'm at work and 'sneak-translating' takes a lot longer than straight up translating.


I suggest making a Tumblr or something, then posting the translation there, and posting the link to the Tumblr/blog/whatever in this thread.

I'll be going to bed in a few hours so I won't be able to 'post' anything else tonight.

Or post on Reddit and get all the karma


reddit is a virus.

Flash on the other hand is god.

On one hand, I don't want to see Flash switch over because Tastosis would fill their casts with Flash-worship jokes.

On the other hand, I want to see Flash switch over because Tastosis would fill their casts with Flash-worship jokes.
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S2Glow
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Singapore1042 Posts
April 20 2012 14:45 GMT
#93
flash lol .. sc2 pros ? bw pros will come and pawn sc2 current pros sooner or later.
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shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:48:48
April 20 2012 14:46 GMT
#94
On April 20 2012 23:40 white_horse wrote:
It's an issue of a difference of standards. BW fans know that BW offers a higher quality level of entertainment and on-screen action and so E-sport looks comparatively pale and limp (and therefore inferior). E-sport fans on the other hand do not know (or want to know) about BW and the things they see happening in E-sport are things they think are the best things ever so it is ultimately a difference in standards and expectations between BW and E-sport fans. Thats really the source of the fighting between the two.

E-sport deathballs continue to be gay and none of the units are particularly interesting when compared to BW units. The only thing I'm looking forward to is how high TBLS and A-class BW players can get in E-sport. If they end up destroying the current top E-sport fans, the idea that the BW players moving in right on top of them would be hilarious. If few or none of them are able to do well then that would suggest some erious issues with the competitiveness and skill cap of the game.

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:35 OpticalShot wrote:
I'll work on a full translation and send it via PM (hopefully that will dodge all the issues... right?). Send me a PM if you want it. Will be ready in maybe 3-4 hours, I'm at work and 'sneak-translating' takes a lot longer than straight up translating.


Only 3-4 hours to translate that monster?? Damn are you like a genius at this?? Something like that would take me at least 6 or 7 or even 8 when you think about what they are trying to convey.


So, do you mean to say that E-Sport, as a spectator sport, sucks monkey balls?

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It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
NeonFlare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Finland1307 Posts
April 20 2012 14:47 GMT
#95
Oh well, they still have the 2 expansions to improve the game. Maybe by the time legacy of the void comes out the game is more fun.
0kz
Profile Joined January 2010
Italy1118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:49:07
April 20 2012 14:48 GMT
#96
Flash might be god but hes bringing doom this time, rip sc2 pros I like many of you but there is no chance.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
April 20 2012 14:48 GMT
#97
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Noxblood
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway374 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:53:54
April 20 2012 14:48 GMT
#98
On April 20 2012 23:35 Ouga wrote:
Lol @ anyone being surprised that flash got to MASTERS. I'm actually surprised if it takes more than a week or two for any current top bw'ers to be at EU(/NA) gm level. They're just that much better, and game isn't different enough for them to need more time. Ofc beating current sc2 korean pros will take more time since then it'll be more about smaller decisions that need to be learned by massing more games.

Ya i have to agree with this, I think people are hyping this a little to much. Yes flash will be good, one of the best inn sc2. but getting inn to masters as one of the best RTS players inn the world through history it should not come as a surprise he will be among the 2% of the players just by pure mechanical skills. getting among the 0,1% will take longer.

Just look at Forgg(Fin) he was a good BW pro. He was so confident he said he would win Code S his first season in code S, we are now at the second season of his at gsl and he has again dropped down to code A, and is 1 lose from falling inn to code B. And he never advanced through the first round even. BW pros are not gods, they will be some of the best players no doubt, but lets not go overboard with hype.
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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 14:52:58
April 20 2012 14:50 GMT
#99
On April 20 2012 23:45 S2Glow wrote:
flash lol .. sc2 pros ? bw pros will come and pawn sc2 current pros sooner or later.


Like Hyun! Sure, he wasn't S-class, but he was still an A-teamer, top 30 on KeSPA rankings the month he switched, and leaps and bounds better at BW than any SC2 players were at time of switch.

And it shows! Look at all the success he's had in SC2! Sure, he's a mere 0-3 in the GSL/GSTL, but if you look at TLPD and include all his games in minor tournaments, he's an astounding 1-11.

Okay, so it was only one win. But it was against Revival, who's a terrifying 86th in Korean SC2 ELO rank! And even his losses were against....Commitment (113th)....Xy (not ranked)...Shine (112th).....oh, Taeja's good! Hyun lost to Taeja!
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
April 20 2012 14:50 GMT
#100
On April 20 2012 23:40 white_horse wrote:
It's an issue of a difference of standards. BW fans know that BW offers a higher quality level of entertainment and on-screen action and so SC2 looks comparatively pale and limp (and therefore inferior). SC2 fans on the other hand do not know (or want to know) about BW and the things they see happening in SC2 are things they think are the best things ever so it is ultimately a difference in standards and expectations between BW and SC2 fans. Thats really the source of the fighting between the two.

SC2 deathballs continue to be gay and none of the units are particularly interesting when compared to BW units. The only thing I'm looking forward to is how high TBLS and A-class BW players can get in SC2. If they end up destroying the current top SC2 fans, the idea that the BW players moving in right on top of them would be hilarious. If few or none of them are able to do well then that would suggest some erious issues with the competitiveness and skill cap of the game.


This is a ridiculous post. Wow. BW elitism at it's worst. I started as an SC2 fan and got into watching BW once I discovered TL. For me it's a lot of nostalgia from middles school days when I'd play tons of SC1. I'd agree that BW is better for the spectators outside of graphics but that is purely an opinion.
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