EPTOn April 23 2012 02:33 therockmanxx wrote:
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T_T it almost bring me tears to my eyes
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Sum41
Chile345 Posts
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Sum41
Chile345 Posts
On April 23 2012 03:45 Wurstbrot wrote: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE BETTER GAME IS! For expample HoN is better than LoL, but all the Kids play and watch LoL! You can't add to the BW Community anymore, no Casual would start playing a 15 year old game in 2D and 800x600. You can't just sell BW anyore. All the people who still watch BW are elitists and think exactly like you ("bw is so much better *crycrycry*). BW IS DEAD, pls accept it. Be happy that there is SC2 and we don't have LoL or Call of Duty as the #1 eSport Game. User was temp banned for this post. you are a moron | ||
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BandonBanshee
Canada437 Posts
Its change, its part of life. If the BW players can be optimistic about the future of starcraft why can't the people who play it be. Its ok to be upset about it just man up and stop being such dicks. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2243 Posts
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BandonBanshee
Canada437 Posts
On April 23 2012 05:22 hitthat wrote: Being a dick is the natural law of a men, granted by God or Nature with freedom, equality and the rest of banals invented by politically correct philosofers of enlightment. lol you guys are hopeless. If this is how you deal with a video game not being played anymore i'd hate to see how you deal with a real hardship. | ||
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unteqair
United States308 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5582 Posts
On April 23 2012 05:27 BandonBanshee wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:22 hitthat wrote: Being a dick is the natural law of a men, granted by God or Nature with freedom, equality and the rest of banals invented by politically correct philosofers of enlightment. lol you guys are hopeless. If this is how you deal with a video game not being played anymore i'd hate to see how you deal with a real hardship. This is a real hardship because Brood war is a real sport. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On April 23 2012 05:27 BandonBanshee wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:22 hitthat wrote: Being a dick is the natural law of a men, granted by God or Nature with freedom, equality and the rest of banals invented by politically correct philosofers of enlightment. lol you guys are hopeless. If this is how you deal with a video game not being played anymore i'd hate to see how you deal with a real hardship. While I generally agree with you overall about how some people act I do think you are SEVERELY underestimating how important BW is to many here. For many, it's a legitimate hardship as real as any other you might run into. | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On April 23 2012 05:27 BandonBanshee wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:22 hitthat wrote: Being a dick is the natural law of a men, granted by God or Nature with freedom, equality and the rest of banals invented by politically correct philosofers of enlightment. lol you guys are hopeless. If this is how you deal with a video game not being played anymore i'd hate to see how you deal with a real hardship. Many people here have been watching BW for the better part of 10 years, having that taken away from you by a game/sport you feel is inferior will obviously make people upset. Some people are going overboard, but the vast majority are just annoyed with constant "I CANT WAIT FOR BW 2 DIE CUZ DEN I GET 2 SEE FLASH" comments all over the place as BW has been slowly declining. I personally enjoy watching sc2, but for a lot of people that don't this is literally a hobby of 10 years being taken away from them and replaced with something they don't enjoy at all, of course they're upset. Just imagine if any other major sport got pulled from TV in favor of a sport that many of the fans didn't enjoy, do you honestly think people wouldn't be bothered by it? | ||
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Maxtor
United Kingdom273 Posts
2) some coaches agree that SC2 seemed boring in comparison to BW.So when they have to force the players to play this game later on, they feel like players wouldn't be doing it for fun anymore = it actually will be forcing it. That's a real shame, I always wanted to see the BW pros in sc2 but if they're not enjoying themselves and are more or less forced into it, it wont be the best thing for either the fans or the players themselves, this seems to be an industry which requires one to love what they do. I really do hope no one is put into that situation. | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
Before saying "herp derp sc2 evil kespa evil blizzard evil, everyone will force BW pros to play a bad game", if there would be no SC2, there would be no other RTS to turn to. And they would be forced no matter which game is it, simply becouse they didn't wanted to play LoL, HON, SF or SC2 but BW. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 23 2012 05:49 Maxtor wrote: That's a real shame, I always wanted to see the BW pros in sc2 but if they're not enjoying themselves and are more or less forced into it, it wont be the best thing for either the fans or the players themselves, this seems to be an industry which requires one to love what they do. I really do hope no one is put into that situation. And now this whole Electronic Sport inudstry is build upon greed. In my years of watching the greats playing what they do, not once did I care about the price money or the gold trophies. It was about the passion, the glory and the bragging rights. I'm affraid that we will see some of our favorite players to depart from this line of work, permantly. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5406 Posts
On April 23 2012 05:58 Darksoldierr wrote: For the record, if they would change to any other game, it would be still forced. BW cannot get a sponsor, and i'am sure not SC2 the cause for it. Before saying "herp derp sc2 evil kespa evil blizzard evil, everyone will force BW pros to play a bad game", if there would be no SC2, there would be no other RTS to turn to. And they would be forced no matter which game is it, simply becouse they didn't wanted to play LoL, HON, SF or SC2 but BW. If there was no SC2, maybe there would be no reason for blizzard to kill BW. It's all speculation at this point. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On April 22 2012 19:42 Tyree wrote: Random topics mean little when in comparison to viewership numbers, there is a reason MLG has made SC2 its flagship "event", even above CoD and Halo. MLG has for years been a Halo even, but even they realised that SC2 was/is bigger. There is a reason why the biggest gaming site (at least in terms of hits) IGN has their own SC2 tournament, there is a reason why CBSi has gotten into SC2 aswell. Since you brought up MLG... MLG's primary events used to be Halo 2 and Smash Bros. Melee. What happened? Halo 3 came out and while pros didn't like it, they still played it and it was still a powerful presence, especially being a Halo on a new-gen system and having great casual play. MLG switched to Halo 3. Melee was very popular, but then Brawl came out. Brawl was extremely controversial for several reasons. Smash is dropped from MLG. Halo Reach comes out. Many people don't like it but MLG adopts it. The competitive scene is much smaller. Casuals flee to CoD. The popularity of these games is at the whim of the game designer. Things can go bad at any time with no control. Games can switch and then sink. That's what makes BW different. It's been around for a long time. People regard BW as a legendary game in the competitive world along with 1.6. That's how I can trust in the stability of BW. Perhaps it's not sustainable at its current level and that it's too big and they need to downsize it and work slowly and steadily again. That's fine. But switching to a new game doesn't make it any more stable or sustainable--it just does the opposite. What game has a realistic chance of still being relevant in foreign markets in 2-3 years? SC2 or BW? BW has as big of a chance to be big in the west as disco has a chance of coming back. Being big and being sustainable are two different things. Creating a long-term property and competitive scene is extremely difficult, but I believe BW has the foundation for it. SC2 is a big unknown, especially since they cede a lot of competitive control to Blizzard who doesn't have the same experience as KeSPA. | ||
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Rainfall7711
329 Posts
On April 23 2012 06:05 Xiphos wrote: And now this whole Electronic Sport inudstry is build upon greed. In my years of watching the greats playing what they do, not once did I care about the price money or the gold trophies. It was about the passion, the glory and the bragging rights. I'm affraid that we will see some of our favorite players to depart from this line of work, permantly. You kind of need to grow up. YOU didn't care about the money or gold? Oh wow. You aren't actually in the industry. News flash, this is their passion but it's also a career. Also, every industry is built on financial stabilisers. I see alot of comments saying oh this is about money etc how bad, well of course it's about money. What everyone needs to understand is, it all comes down to money first and foremost. If there is no money in the industry, there is no game. No sponsors? No BW. No sponsors? No SC2. There isn't any reason why BW pros can't play SC2 with passion. Also the above answer about players being forced to play was just cherry picking one part. There was another answer which suggested the gamers are actually enjoying SC2 now and it has invigorated alot of others. So, try to see things realistically. | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1666 Posts
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LEGAsee
170 Posts
On April 22 2012 11:35 Masheyoon wrote: Excuse my ignorance, I haven't been following the "Death of BW" talk (I've been ignoring it in hopes of it simply going away) so I don't quite understand. If the BW scene is bigger than the SC2 scene, why is KeSPA even bothering with a switch? (By the way, don't get me wrong, I seriously and genuinely hope this transition never happens. I can't stress how upsetting and depressing it is to hear that this transition is supposedly inevitable. I'm just confused is all.) EDIT: Never mind. Above posts answered my question. I was mostly just attacking him instead of really making a point as his derp caught the better of me. One reason that BW is having sponsorship troubles and thus they are trying Starcraft 2 is because it's the new game and there is some taint to BW's history. The economic times helped bring it down as well. Broodwar is sponsor driven, there aren't entrance fees and you can watch it, VODS and livestreams, free of charge. Starcraft 2 is paid for by viewers and Blizzard. If the money isn't coming in you have to change it up, which really makes me wonder if they plan on having the same business model or if they will emulate MLG/GSL. I really don't see how either one really makes sense, with the BW scene larger in Korea than SC2 there is a larger target audience for sponsors in BW. Why would South Korea telecom or Korea telecom or Woongjin..etc care about foreigners? And if they start charging for it then it will turn off the previous BW viewers further and it would be harder to introduce more people to the game, except for foreigners who obviously are the larger market. But I'm not sure they could make money that way, either, when you have players like flash earning 300k a year with incentives. While he's somewhat of an outlier, the salaries add up. Stats makes 100k, Hiya was making 50k or 100k, can't recall. When you have other players like Bisu, Fantasy, Stork, etc that make way more money than the current SC2 korean pros. Anyway, that wasn't meant to be an argument for anything, it's really just a far more complicated issue than that poster comprehends, apparently. Nothing is obvious. On April 23 2012 06:38 Rainfall7711 wrote: You kind of need to grow up. YOU didn't care about the money or gold? Oh wow. You aren't actually in the industry. News flash, this is their passion but it's also a career. Also, every industry is built on financial stabilisers. I see alot of comments saying oh this is about money etc how bad, well of course it's about money. What everyone needs to understand is, it all comes down to money first and foremost. If there is no money in the industry, there is no game. No sponsors? No BW. No sponsors? No SC2. There isn't any reason why BW pros can't play SC2 with passion. Also the above answer about players being forced to play was just cherry picking one part. There was another answer which suggested the gamers are actually enjoying SC2 now and it has invigorated alot of others. So, try to see things realistically. It's not more cherry picking than saying some of the players enjoy SC2. Yes, it's their careers but they get into it because of passion. Most of the people on the BW teams don't get paid at all, they're just live-in practice partners until they are good enough to attract attention to the sponsor. At this point for all of these players that have risen through the ranks, no pay and ramen all day to a decent living will have to choose to continue in a new game or retire. For the ones that DON'T enjoy SC2, for whatever reason, that is quite a decision, especially considering that these kids start joining teams at like 14, they don't have shit for education and no real job prospects outside of this. Try to see things realistically | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On April 23 2012 05:27 BandonBanshee wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:22 hitthat wrote: Being a dick is the natural law of a men, granted by God or Nature with freedom, equality and the rest of banals invented by politically correct philosofers of enlightment. lol you guys are hopeless. If this is how you deal with a video game not being played anymore i'd hate to see how you deal with a real hardship. I don't really post in this forum much so I don't really have much of a leg to stand on. But I see this as a lot more than a videogame being played, this is like a part of your culture, its not one thats bound by geographic or regional constraints, but one thats just as strong. I've been around this site a few years now, and it is a lot like a second home, and BW itself is in a part of who a lot of us are. A lot of things are meaningless objectively, but can carry huge sentimental and emotional value and really be an intimate part of who people are. Photographs, mementos, theres tons of examples, you name it. Broodwar is associated with a ton of fantastic memories for a lot of us, and the community itself is great. With BW ending, a lot of us are just losing both part of our personal culture and one of the things thats been with us for ages, as well as the unifying element for a fantastic community that a lot of us felt at home at. Sometimes its best to try to walk a mile in some other shoes. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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BandonBanshee
Canada437 Posts
On April 23 2012 05:39 L_Master wrote: While I generally agree with you overall about how some people act I do think you are SEVERELY underestimating how important BW is to many here. For many, it's a legitimate hardship as real as any other you might run into. Ya I understand where you guys are coming from. This sucks for me too I love broodwar to death, didn't mean to be insensitive. I just think the current mindset that both games are "at war" is counterproductive. Sc2 has glaring issues i'm not denying that but i'm still optimistic about the future of the game I love, not broodwar, not wings of liberty..but starcraft. | ||
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