EPTBW Head Coaches on SC2 - Page 40
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Alva`
Brazil27 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On April 22 2012 20:37 Alva` wrote: I am also curious to know how Gom.tv fits into the whole picture, the coaches i believe never mentioned GOM so are they boycotting the GSL? Does KESPA actually have the power to forbid BW teams/players from participating in GSL run tournaments and is it in their best interests? Well duh they pay them for practising for PL firstly , and OSL secondly . GOM doesn't pay progamers , they win money from GSL . PL and OSL will be the main showing for the BW progamers , but i think KESPA will send representitives for other big tournaments like GSL MLG IEM and Dreamhack if they are not commited to PL or OSL . If GOM and KESPA strike some deal GOM could replace MBCgame as the second broadcaster for PL and maybe then BW progamers will participate full time in the GSL . Proleague is run through the whole year and OSL 2-3 times a year , so they are pretty busy as is , but i think they will send players , although probably not the best ones to foreign tournaments .They did say that they will try to appeal to the foreing market as well , but their domestic scene will be of utmost priority . | ||
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Alva`
Brazil27 Posts
On April 22 2012 20:44 raga4ka wrote: Well duh they pay them for practising for PL firstly , and OSL secondly . GOM doesn't pay progamers , they win money from GSL . PL and OSL will be the main showing for the BW progamers , but i think they will send representitives for other big tournaments like GSL MLG IEM and Dreamhack if they are not commited to PL or OSL . Wow then that really sounds like the death sentence for the GSL. I think i even remember an interview where Mr. Chae (owner of gom) was nervous about the BW teams switching, he was kind of hinting at KESPA comepletely ignoring the GSL. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On April 22 2012 20:49 Alva` wrote: Wow then that really sounds like the death sentence for the GSL. I think i even remember an interview where Mr. Chae (owner of gom) was nervous about the BW teams switching, he was kind of hinting at KESPA comepletely ignoring the GSL. Also when OSL becomes an SC2 league anyone can participate in it as long as they can get a progamer's licence . Hiya who is not a part of KESPA any more played and almost qualified for the OSL round of 16 right now . In BW no one was at the level of the progamers so anyone apart from Kespa couldn't get in to the OSL . So you may yet see a lot of the curent SC2 progamers battle it out against BW progamers . | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On April 22 2012 21:07 raga4ka wrote: Also when OSL becomes an SC2 league anyone can participate in it as long as they can get a progamer's licence . Hiya who is not a part of KESPA any more played and almost qualified for the OSL round of 16 right now . In BW no one was at the level of the progamers so anyone apart from Kespa couldn't get in to the OSL . So you may yet see a lot of the curent SC2 progamers battle it out against BW progamers . OGN made an exception for Hiya. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
I am wrong then , but i think Kespa will lessen it's barrier if they do want to get involved with the rest of the world . | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On April 22 2012 21:39 Sawamura wrote: Coach Juu I will forever haunt you because of what you said " Sc2 is improving my players capability " and yeah baby and killer failing hard in individual tournaments are nice results of sc2 intensive training . Now that I think of it I would stick around just to see how bad is the hybrid format of bw / sc2 . I think that SC2 improves their reaction time , but lowers their overall macro and micro . MBS and unlimited unit control group will do that to you . If they don't use the same hotkeys then we will see hotkey failures as well . If pros want to stay good at both games they should avoid MBS and the shift button on the keyboard , and use more hotkeys for units , not to mention use the same hotkeys in both games . | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On April 22 2012 20:49 Alva` wrote: Wow then that really sounds like the death sentence for the GSL. I think i even remember an interview where Mr. Chae (owner of gom) was nervous about the BW teams switching, he was kind of hinting at KESPA comepletely ignoring the GSL. Mr. Chae said that he is not afraid at all until the BW pros catch up. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
On April 22 2012 13:09 Masheyoon wrote: Exactly. I don't quite see the logic in switching to a different game, especially when the current game is much more popular. It won't fix the mess KeSPA caused with PL. The only reason why this idea is plausible is becuase BW legends such as Bisu, Flash and Jaedong will be playing it. But... I still don't see the logic. KeSPA should keep BW around and at least try to reevaluate their business structure. The game might last really long and be played by its ardent fans. But whether it can be sustainable professional games is another issue. According to them ( players/coaches/teams/kespa), financially, professional BW is just no longer viable. They couldn't find sponsors to pay the salaries and sustain livelihood of the players. Not to mention the running cost of tournaments. And this has been going on for some time because the last few sponsors are basically charity sponsors and not sponsors who think they will sufficient exposure/ROI from BW leagues. BW is still the more popular game no doubt in Korea, but the only way PL will continue BW only is if players agree to play for free or something. Because it is not financially viable anymore for professional BW to exist anymore, this half BW/halfSC2 move is a desperation move to tap into SC2 local and foreign fanbase while simultaneously hoping that the BW fanbase will transition and enlarge the local SC2 scene | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On April 20 2012 23:09 junyo wrote: Some people have over 70% in SC2 too. That's what I call consistent, usually the same people always finish in the top. Just ignore people like this... most of the flak on SC2 comes from people who were watching the early open seasons of GSL (which were terrible and full of cheese). The game has improved more than tenfold from then and the average game has increased over 5 minutes which is massive. | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2116 Posts
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2013 Posts
On April 22 2012 22:27 PiPoGevy wrote: I wonder why the players dont stream Starcraft II, fair enough BroodWar, but SCII all they are doing is messing around... lol Are kespa players allowed to stream at all? | ||
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On April 22 2012 21:39 Sawamura wrote: Coach Juu I will forever haunt you because of what you said " Sc2 is improving my players capability " and yeah baby and killer failing hard in individual tournaments are nice results of sc2 intensive training . Now that I think of it I would stick around just to see how bad is the hybrid format of bw / sc2 . This supports my aching suspicion that Coach Ju is a terrible coach. I mean he adopted a team of high potential players, whose been out of practice and unsure of their future careers. Looking at this situation last thing you'd do is making them split their practice time between two games and reinforce the idea that their main game might be getting replaced in the near future. I mean no one would look at T8's roster and say what they are lacking is talent. They were simply very nervous/stressed out and out of practice. A coach, that fails to address such problems and instead aggrevate their already existing problem,is a pretty lousy coach. On April 22 2012 22:56 Darksoldierr wrote: Are kespa players allowed to stream at all? Mostly they don't stream because their main job as professionals is to win. Streaming would strictly go against this, since revealing parts of your game is giving more fodder for other team to pick your play apart. Hell, Bisu and Boxer used to complain about official match replays being open since that cheapen the longevity of their builds and such. | ||
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IseeFish
United States45 Posts
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Kiett
United States7639 Posts
On April 22 2012 23:04 wassbix wrote: This supports my aching suspicion that Coach Ju is a terrible coach. I mean he adopted a team of high potential players, whose been out of practice and unsure of their future careers. Looking at this situation last thing you'd do is making them split their practice time between two games and reinforce the idea that their main game might be getting replaced in the near future. I mean no one would look at T8's roster and say what they are lacking is talent. They were simply very nervous/stressed out and out of practice. A coach, that fails to address such problems and instead aggrevate their already existing problem,is a pretty lousy coach. ...Um. He didn't. Team 8 was the only team that didn't play any SC2 until they were already out of the running for the playoffs. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323013¤tpage=52#1033 | ||
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On April 22 2012 23:15 Kiett wrote: ...Um. He didn't. Team 8 was the only team that didn't play any SC2 until they were already out of the running for the playoffs. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323013¤tpage=52#1033 I stand corrected! Reading that makes me even sadder about T8's performance though  | ||
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Zhou
United States832 Posts
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