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On April 22 2012 07:34 Rainfall7711 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 07:03 gn0m wrote:On April 22 2012 06:51 Rainfall7711 wrote:On April 22 2012 06:28 gn0m wrote:On April 22 2012 06:17 algue wrote:On April 22 2012 06:05 -Duderino- wrote:
At first I was amazed by all the hating on sc2 by bw elitists but I realize now its because none of you know anything about the game 90% of posts by yall bout sc2 are just wrong and ignorant. It would great for the starcraft 2 communtity for bw fans to switch over along with the pros but after reading a handful of posts I think it might be best for everyone if the haters go down with the ship.
Can't wait for some of the top bw pros to come over to sc2 and innovate the game. In the one hand you are right , there is imo way too much hate and SOME bw players should be a little bit more open minded but on the other hand you can't say that Sc2 is a better game than BW atm and you are on the BW forum , what did you expect ? Its sad too see some Sc2 and BW player doing the same shit as CS 1.6 and CS:S communities  Whenever a sequel to a popular game is released, there is bound to be some disappointment for some of the fans of the original game. It is no secret that SC2, and new games in general, are being catered to casuals and the remaining foreign BW community is pretty hardcore by now. Hence the low interest for SC2 for some in the BW community. But saying that BW fans don’t like SC2 because they “didn’t gave it a chance” etc. is ridicules. BW fans were by far the most hyped when SC2 was announced. Also, this wouldn’t really be an issue if BW players weren’t forced to switch to a less developed game. I can imagine that SC2 fans would be pretty upset if every SC2 pro switched to LoL See i don't believe all of this about BW fans being hyped for SC2. It seems plausible on the surface but let's look at this logically. The only way BW fans would accept SC2 is if it was EXACTLY the śame but with better graphics. This was never going to happen. It doesn't matter how good SC2 is/will be because it will never actually be BW. This is the major point, it will never be BW, and it was never going to actually be BW. Therefor it will never be able to reach the standards set. This will actually happen until the end of time. Agreat game is released, when the inevitable sequel is released, it's subject to all the hate SC2 is. And btw, i agree and hope SC2 is improved alot into the future, but i still believe some people will never ever be satified with it because it's not their baby gem BW is. Well, given your late join date it is pretty evident that you weren’t even around when SC2 was announced. Regardless of what you find logical or not, people were pretty fucking hyped. And a lot of the former TL community DID actually move over to SC2. My point is that by putting a bigger emphasises on casual players, they probably attracted more new players but missed portions of the BW community. This was obviously the correct decision if you want to sell as many copies of the game as possible. Imo, people have stated pretty logical reasons for disliking SC2, so I wouldn’t say that its just “this is not BW, therefore it sux!” NoNo ok what i mean is, people may have been hyped but it's pretty obvious the majority would have been disappointed no matter what game SC2 turned out to be. People obviously just wanted BW HD. People have complained about.... Bad ui, bath unit pathing, bad units, clumping, bad maps, bad balance, lack of multitasking, casual friendly, no skill required. There aren't actually any more things that could be complained about. There is literally 0 positive about SC2.
I think it comes down to the level of expectations. BW is pretty much the epitome of eSports and grew into a massive movement in Korea. If it was going to be replaced, people wanted a game that was better in every aspect. I think that it is pretty good that players don’t actually just buy anything Blizzard releases. If people can give logic, constructive criticism on why clumping, new maps, new UI, lack of micro etc. is bad, why shouldn’t they voice their arguments?
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Khan Coach January: We should force Flash to play Protoss in SC2.
LOL.
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On April 22 2012 07:49 gn0m wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 07:34 Rainfall7711 wrote:On April 22 2012 07:03 gn0m wrote:On April 22 2012 06:51 Rainfall7711 wrote:On April 22 2012 06:28 gn0m wrote:On April 22 2012 06:17 algue wrote:On April 22 2012 06:05 -Duderino- wrote:
At first I was amazed by all the hating on sc2 by bw elitists but I realize now its because none of you know anything about the game 90% of posts by yall bout sc2 are just wrong and ignorant. It would great for the starcraft 2 communtity for bw fans to switch over along with the pros but after reading a handful of posts I think it might be best for everyone if the haters go down with the ship.
Can't wait for some of the top bw pros to come over to sc2 and innovate the game. In the one hand you are right , there is imo way too much hate and SOME bw players should be a little bit more open minded but on the other hand you can't say that Sc2 is a better game than BW atm and you are on the BW forum , what did you expect ? Its sad too see some Sc2 and BW player doing the same shit as CS 1.6 and CS:S communities Whenever a sequel to a popular game is released, there is bound to be some disappointment for some of the fans of the original game. It is no secret that SC2, and new games in general, are being catered to casuals and the remaining foreign BW community is pretty hardcore by now. Hence the low interest for SC2 for some in the BW community. But saying that BW fans don’t like SC2 because they “didn’t gave it a chance” etc. is ridicules. BW fans were by far the most hyped when SC2 was announced. Also, this wouldn’t really be an issue if BW players weren’t forced to switch to a less developed game. I can imagine that SC2 fans would be pretty upset if every SC2 pro switched to LoL See i don't believe all of this about BW fans being hyped for SC2. It seems plausible on the surface but let's look at this logically. The only way BW fans would accept SC2 is if it was EXACTLY the śame but with better graphics. This was never going to happen. It doesn't matter how good SC2 is/will be because it will never actually be BW. This is the major point, it will never be BW, and it was never going to actually be BW. Therefor it will never be able to reach the standards set. This will actually happen until the end of time. Agreat game is released, when the inevitable sequel is released, it's subject to all the hate SC2 is. And btw, i agree and hope SC2 is improved alot into the future, but i still believe some people will never ever be satified with it because it's not their baby gem BW is. Well, given your late join date it is pretty evident that you weren’t even around when SC2 was announced. Regardless of what you find logical or not, people were pretty fucking hyped. And a lot of the former TL community DID actually move over to SC2. My point is that by putting a bigger emphasises on casual players, they probably attracted more new players but missed portions of the BW community. This was obviously the correct decision if you want to sell as many copies of the game as possible. Imo, people have stated pretty logical reasons for disliking SC2, so I wouldn’t say that its just “this is not BW, therefore it sux!” NoNo ok what i mean is, people may have been hyped but it's pretty obvious the majority would have been disappointed no matter what game SC2 turned out to be. People obviously just wanted BW HD. People have complained about.... Bad ui, bath unit pathing, bad units, clumping, bad maps, bad balance, lack of multitasking, casual friendly, no skill required. There aren't actually any more things that could be complained about. There is literally 0 positive about SC2. I think it comes down to the level of expectations. BW is pretty much the epitome of eSports and grew into a massive movement in Korea. If it was going to be replaced, people wanted a game that was better in every aspect. I think that it is pretty good that players don’t actually just buy anything Blizzard releases. If people can give logic, constructive criticism on why clumping, new maps, new UI, lack of micro etc. is bad, why shouldn’t they voice their arguments?
There's no problem at all with criticism.But at the end of every critique you will see' .....like BW'. This actually may be a great thing, maybe actually BW 2 might have been great. Ican fully appreciate that. Myself i've almost exclusively watched SC2, but i've recently watched the Finals between SKT and KT. I fully felt the passion, excitement and complexity of the game and scene.
The problem now is, it's unfortunately unable to sustain itself. That's a real shame. I actually wish i watched BW earlier. However now all focus should be on making SC2 a more dynamic, balanced game. It's sad that BW has to go, but it is the reality. Don't just call SC2 dog shit. Point out problems. Look at the thread by barrin about less resources per base. He doesn't flame the shit out of SC2, he present a huge, complex argument with the aim to improve SC2 with an aspect of BW. This is the attitude we need. We don't need to have constant flamewars. It's obvious BW is the more developed, balanced game, so lets focus on getting SC2 close.
Knowing Blizzard they won't budge on certain design decisions but let's hope they do the right thing. Bring on the HOTS Beta and beyond.
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On April 22 2012 07:46 L3gendary wrote:
I could get behind sc2 if they had bw-like positional units and changed some of the mechanics like warpgate. Unfortunately, from the HotS preview it seems blizzard is unwilling to make fundamental changes to the game. Instead they are just adding and removing very specialized units and not changing the core army units.
Coach lee was spot on, it is starcraft in name only. sc2 players dont seem to understand where the hate/animosity is coming from but imagine if all of sc2 suddenly collapsed and moved to LoL. There is already plenty of hate and jealousy of sc2 fans for LoL's popularity and ease of mechanics (seeing any similarities?). Just look at the reaction sc2 fans had when the LoL finals preceded the sc2 finals in ipl3 to see what im talking about.
Then imagine a bunch of LoL fans posting all over the sc2 forum saying how happy they are that sc2 is dying and all the best players are switching to play LoL instead. Don't tell me you'd be happy.
The thing is SC2 IS sc1, but with easier mechanics, sure, but it also still takes more than enough skill to be considered the 2nd hardest game on the planet. They tried to shift some of the macro skills into a faster, more action oriented pace, but then they ended up having to nerf all openers (which encouraged players to fight right away instead of passively macroing) because players just couldn't figure it out.
Also, you act as if sc2 is drastically different from BW when it really isn't, the best players in the world were all previously pro BW players and we still have yet to see perfect play from anyone. My point being, all that insane skill that flash, jaedong, bisu, etc etc have can still be put to good use in sc2. I do agree that in it's current form BW is a better game, but only because the players and fans screwed it up by complaining about "cheese".
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I play Sc2, and I also like to watch BroodWar, since it still is a entertaining game, but I dont play BroodWar because of my poor mechanics, so yes I am a casual fan.
But from the perspective of a casual fan, Starcraft2 should not be changed so to make it easier for us less skilled "casual" players, we casual players look onto the hardcore fans for showing us the interest of the game, and we are not going to find it interesting when all you see in forums is that the game has "this that" fundamental problems, so I agree that, Starcraft2 fundamentals should be changed as to suit the Hardcore, because we have to remember that BroodWar fans were once casuals as well.
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On April 22 2012 08:07 Neurosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 07:46 L3gendary wrote:
I could get behind sc2 if they had bw-like positional units and changed some of the mechanics like warpgate. Unfortunately, from the HotS preview it seems blizzard is unwilling to make fundamental changes to the game. Instead they are just adding and removing very specialized units and not changing the core army units.
Coach lee was spot on, it is starcraft in name only. sc2 players dont seem to understand where the hate/animosity is coming from but imagine if all of sc2 suddenly collapsed and moved to LoL. There is already plenty of hate and jealousy of sc2 fans for LoL's popularity and ease of mechanics (seeing any similarities?). Just look at the reaction sc2 fans had when the LoL finals preceded the sc2 finals in ipl3 to see what im talking about.
Then imagine a bunch of LoL fans posting all over the sc2 forum saying how happy they are that sc2 is dying and all the best players are switching to play LoL instead. Don't tell me you'd be happy. The thing is SC2 IS sc1, but with easier mechanics, sure, but it also still takes more than enough skill to be considered the 2nd hardest game on the planet. They tried to shift some of the macro skills into a faster, more action oriented pace, but then they ended up having to nerf all openers (which encouraged players to fight right away instead of passively macroing) because players just couldn't figure it out. Also, you act as if sc2 is drastically different from BW when it really isn't, the best players in the world were all previously pro BW players and we still have yet to see perfect play from anyone. My point being, all that insane skill that flash, jaedong, bisu, etc etc have can still be put to good use in sc2. I do agree that in it's current form BW is a better game, but only because the players and fans screwed it up by complaining about "cheese".
No. Don't make an argument with such assumption.
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I'd like to pick on these BW haters but I see they are no match for my brethren. Interesting also to see some heavenly judgement being meted out but if one just reads the TL commandments they would not be so eager to challenge the gods.
That said, the article (please read the one translated by OpticalShot, its definitely worth your time), is so full of interesting thoughts coming from the coaches. Most of them were just trolling the other teams to reveal their current SC2 strength. Team 8 Coach Joo had a lot of wisdom to share along with many interesting stories. However, STX Coach Lee dropped the biggest bomb of all:
+ Show Spoiler +"I think Blizzard named their new game very well. If the name of SC2 wasn’t “StarCraft 2”, I’m quite certain we wouldn’t even need to have this talk right now."
However since it's all been said and done, I think the best we can do is just leave our minds open and give them our support. It's a huge risk, like Coach Joo said, one moment the fans may be all smiles at one "game" then frowning next at the other. But it's a risk I'm willing to take if it not for BW then for just Proleague.
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On April 22 2012 08:07 Neurosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 07:46 L3gendary wrote:
I could get behind sc2 if they had bw-like positional units and changed some of the mechanics like warpgate. Unfortunately, from the HotS preview it seems blizzard is unwilling to make fundamental changes to the game. Instead they are just adding and removing very specialized units and not changing the core army units.
Coach lee was spot on, it is starcraft in name only. sc2 players dont seem to understand where the hate/animosity is coming from but imagine if all of sc2 suddenly collapsed and moved to LoL. There is already plenty of hate and jealousy of sc2 fans for LoL's popularity and ease of mechanics (seeing any similarities?). Just look at the reaction sc2 fans had when the LoL finals preceded the sc2 finals in ipl3 to see what im talking about.
Then imagine a bunch of LoL fans posting all over the sc2 forum saying how happy they are that sc2 is dying and all the best players are switching to play LoL instead. Don't tell me you'd be happy. The thing is SC2 IS sc1, but with easier mechanics, sure, but it also still takes more than enough skill to be considered the 2nd hardest game on the planet. They tried to shift some of the macro skills into a faster, more action oriented pace, but then they ended up having to nerf all openers (which encouraged players to fight right away instead of passively macroing) because players just couldn't figure it out. Also, you act as if sc2 is drastically different from BW when it really isn't, the best players in the world were all previously pro BW players and we still have yet to see perfect play from anyone. My point being, all that insane skill that flash, jaedong, bisu, etc etc have can still be put to good use in sc2. I do agree that in it's current form BW is a better game, but only because the players and fans screwed it up by complaining about "cheese".
No it's not at all. It has nothing to do with mbs/automine etc although i prefer not to have them I am willing to give them up. Instead it has everything to do with game design: the units, macro mechanics, warpgate, AI and things of that nature. If sc2 was, as you say, sc1 with a few easier mechanics I'd have no big problem with this news.
You act as if I don't play sc2 when i do although not as much anymore and i know what Im talking about. I'd invite you to play bw for a while so you can get past the harder mechanics and see how the engagements and overall flow of the game are vastly different.
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Really interesting interview, thanks!
I have this feeling though that the first proleague with SC2 in it will start and about half way through the first match the internet will cut out. The groans will be... gamebreaking.
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On April 22 2012 08:07 Neurosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 07:46 L3gendary wrote:
I could get behind sc2 if they had bw-like positional units and changed some of the mechanics like warpgate. Unfortunately, from the HotS preview it seems blizzard is unwilling to make fundamental changes to the game. Instead they are just adding and removing very specialized units and not changing the core army units.
Coach lee was spot on, it is starcraft in name only. sc2 players dont seem to understand where the hate/animosity is coming from but imagine if all of sc2 suddenly collapsed and moved to LoL. There is already plenty of hate and jealousy of sc2 fans for LoL's popularity and ease of mechanics (seeing any similarities?). Just look at the reaction sc2 fans had when the LoL finals preceded the sc2 finals in ipl3 to see what im talking about.
Then imagine a bunch of LoL fans posting all over the sc2 forum saying how happy they are that sc2 is dying and all the best players are switching to play LoL instead. Don't tell me you'd be happy. The thing is SC2 IS sc1, but with easier mechanics, sure, but it also still takes more than enough skill to be considered the 2nd hardest game on the planet. They tried to shift some of the macro skills into a faster, more action oriented pace, but then they ended up having to nerf all openers (which encouraged players to fight right away instead of passively macroing) because players just couldn't figure it out. Also, you act as if sc2 is drastically different from BW when it really isn't, the best players in the world were all previously pro BW players and we still have yet to see perfect play from anyone. My point being, all that insane skill that flash, jaedong, bisu, etc etc have can still be put to good use in sc2. I do agree that in it's current form BW is a better game, but only because the players and fans screwed it up by complaining about "cheese".
You are wrong from the get-go. The only difference is that BW is the original Starcraft while the other game just has the name "Starcraft" in it. That's all.
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On April 22 2012 09:29 SlowBullets wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 08:07 Neurosis wrote:On April 22 2012 07:46 L3gendary wrote:
I could get behind sc2 if they had bw-like positional units and changed some of the mechanics like warpgate. Unfortunately, from the HotS preview it seems blizzard is unwilling to make fundamental changes to the game. Instead they are just adding and removing very specialized units and not changing the core army units.
Coach lee was spot on, it is starcraft in name only. sc2 players dont seem to understand where the hate/animosity is coming from but imagine if all of sc2 suddenly collapsed and moved to LoL. There is already plenty of hate and jealousy of sc2 fans for LoL's popularity and ease of mechanics (seeing any similarities?). Just look at the reaction sc2 fans had when the LoL finals preceded the sc2 finals in ipl3 to see what im talking about.
Then imagine a bunch of LoL fans posting all over the sc2 forum saying how happy they are that sc2 is dying and all the best players are switching to play LoL instead. Don't tell me you'd be happy. The thing is SC2 IS sc1, but with easier mechanics, sure, but it also still takes more than enough skill to be considered the 2nd hardest game on the planet. They tried to shift some of the macro skills into a faster, more action oriented pace, but then they ended up having to nerf all openers (which encouraged players to fight right away instead of passively macroing) because players just couldn't figure it out. Also, you act as if sc2 is drastically different from BW when it really isn't, the best players in the world were all previously pro BW players and we still have yet to see perfect play from anyone. My point being, all that insane skill that flash, jaedong, bisu, etc etc have can still be put to good use in sc2. I do agree that in it's current form BW is a better game, but only because the players and fans screwed it up by complaining about "cheese". You are wrong from the get-go. The only difference is that one game is the original Starcraft while the other game just has the name "Starcraft" in it. That's all.
That game isn't the original Starcraft either.
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If people can't see why BW fans are upset they're being pretty foolish. It doesn't matter if you (or I) enjoy SC2, it IS different than BW and that WILL make many BW fans either dislike it, or like it less. Period. Debating over the games is getting pretty old now though, kind if tired of seeing rehash after rehash of this same pointless debate. Not happy with what I'm hearing, I was expecting at least another season or two before the switch occurred, but I guess that isn't going to happen from the looks of things.
Oh well, now I get to see Fantasy run marines into banelings for 6 months. Whee~
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Yes BW fans only want SC2 2 be BW with better graphics.
thats why you have like 5487349875978435987439875 threads in the SC2 forums crying baout how 2 make the game better.
SC2 community isnt even playing the game anymore it feels like 2 me all they do is making threads "oh what could we do 2 make this shit better because right now its fuckign awful."
now "our" fault that BW is a good example if u want 2 imrpoe something in SC2. and i couldnt care less about the graphics. even play SC2 on low settings but the fact that they remove units like lurker vulture reaver and we get shit units like marauder collosus and shitty hydras or whatever just makes me dislike the game.
and i also dont care about ur "grow it. improve it" the game is shit now and u wont fucking grow it into mainstream or whatever.
god this shit makes me mad
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On April 22 2012 08:18 a9arnn wrote:Thanks for the translation  . Too bad there was never a finals in North America ;;, glad they cared at least a little bit about us , BWloveforlife! Kinda funny how SKT1 coach is denying the fact that their players aren't in GM  , I remember seeing KawaiiRice play Fantasy haha Show nested quote +13) SKT VS TEAM8 SC2 HAPPENED TROLOLOLOL. Every player was like: wtf is this new hotkey shit? and then when it came down to it, Team8 whopped ass against SKT 4:2. TROLOLOL. One good thing was that because SC2 battles are so much faster, the player's mechanics increased because they needed faster reactions. LOL that's pretty funny, all the Protosses were probably confused as fuck . Also it looks like there might be a split when it comes to using English/Korean names cause GOM uses the Korean names and if OGN uses the English ones that will be a bit of trouble maybe O.o
Kawaii played Fantasy?!?
VODs or it didn't happen.
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My heart jumps a little reading those quotes. I hadn't though they'd have such an easy-going perspective on this dreaded "upgrade". BW lives until it's dead. I won't speculate how long that is, but the outlook is grimmer than I thought.
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On April 22 2012 10:30 sapht wrote:
My heart jumps a little reading those quotes. I hadn't though they'd have such an easy-going perspective on this dreaded "upgrade". BW lives until it's dead. I won't speculate how long that is, but the outlook is grimmer than I thought.
That's the thing. BW is DEAD. There is no money, no sponsors that want to sponsor either OSL or T8. OGN is weekly loosing a lot of money, not gaining. If you like it or not, SC2 is the only option right now for obvious reasons.( Foreign scene)
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On April 22 2012 11:20 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 10:30 sapht wrote:
My heart jumps a little reading those quotes. I hadn't though they'd have such an easy-going perspective on this dreaded "upgrade". BW lives until it's dead. I won't speculate how long that is, but the outlook is grimmer than I thought.
That's the thing. BW is DEAD. There is no money, no sponsors that want to sponsor either OSL or T8. OGN is weekly loosing a lot of money, not gaining. If you like it or not, SC2 is the only option right now for obvious reasons.( Foreign scene)
Holy shit dat ignorance.
Also lol, the FOMOS dude even mentions in the interview that you obviously hadn't read that the BW scene is still bigger than the SC2 scene in Korea since you won't believe it when BW players tell you.
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On April 22 2012 11:28 LEGAsee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 11:20 mtn wrote:On April 22 2012 10:30 sapht wrote:
My heart jumps a little reading those quotes. I hadn't though they'd have such an easy-going perspective on this dreaded "upgrade". BW lives until it's dead. I won't speculate how long that is, but the outlook is grimmer than I thought.
That's the thing. BW is DEAD. There is no money, no sponsors that want to sponsor either OSL or T8. OGN is weekly loosing a lot of money, not gaining. If you like it or not, SC2 is the only option right now for obvious reasons.( Foreign scene) Holy shit dat ignorance. Also lol, the FOMOS dude even mentions in the interview that you obviously hadn't read that the BW scene is still bigger than the SC2 scene in Korea since you won't believe it when BW players tell you.
You just ignored what he said. He didn't mention Korean popularity. He said there aren't any sponsors. As far as i'm aware this is a fact.
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On April 22 2012 07:36 Darksoldierr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 07:34 Rainfall7711 wrote:On April 22 2012 07:03 gn0m wrote:On April 22 2012 06:51 Rainfall7711 wrote:On April 22 2012 06:28 gn0m wrote:On April 22 2012 06:17 algue wrote:On April 22 2012 06:05 -Duderino- wrote:
At first I was amazed by all the hating on sc2 by bw elitists but I realize now its because none of you know anything about the game 90% of posts by yall bout sc2 are just wrong and ignorant. It would great for the starcraft 2 communtity for bw fans to switch over along with the pros but after reading a handful of posts I think it might be best for everyone if the haters go down with the ship.
Can't wait for some of the top bw pros to come over to sc2 and innovate the game. In the one hand you are right , there is imo way too much hate and SOME bw players should be a little bit more open minded but on the other hand you can't say that Sc2 is a better game than BW atm and you are on the BW forum , what did you expect ? Its sad too see some Sc2 and BW player doing the same shit as CS 1.6 and CS:S communities Whenever a sequel to a popular game is released, there is bound to be some disappointment for some of the fans of the original game. It is no secret that SC2, and new games in general, are being catered to casuals and the remaining foreign BW community is pretty hardcore by now. Hence the low interest for SC2 for some in the BW community. But saying that BW fans don’t like SC2 because they “didn’t gave it a chance” etc. is ridicules. BW fans were by far the most hyped when SC2 was announced. Also, this wouldn’t really be an issue if BW players weren’t forced to switch to a less developed game. I can imagine that SC2 fans would be pretty upset if every SC2 pro switched to LoL See i don't believe all of this about BW fans being hyped for SC2. It seems plausible on the surface but let's look at this logically. The only way BW fans would accept SC2 is if it was EXACTLY the śame but with better graphics. This was never going to happen. It doesn't matter how good SC2 is/will be because it will never actually be BW. This is the major point, it will never be BW, and it was never going to actually be BW. Therefor it will never be able to reach the standards set. This will actually happen until the end of time. Agreat game is released, when the inevitable sequel is released, it's subject to all the hate SC2 is. And btw, i agree and hope SC2 is improved alot into the future, but i still believe some people will never ever be satified with it because it's not their baby gem BW is. Well, given your late join date it is pretty evident that you weren’t even around when SC2 was announced. Regardless of what you find logical or not, people were pretty fucking hyped. And a lot of the former TL community DID actually move over to SC2. My point is that by putting a bigger emphasises on casual players, they probably attracted more new players but missed portions of the BW community. This was obviously the correct decision if you want to sell as many copies of the game as possible. Imo, people have stated pretty logical reasons for disliking SC2, so I wouldn’t say that its just “this is not BW, therefore it sux!” NoNo ok what i mean is, people may have been hyped but it's pretty obvious the majority would have been disappointed no matter what game SC2 turned out to be. People obviously just wanted BW HD. People have complained about.... Bad ui, bath unit pathing, bad units, clumping, bad maps, bad balance, lack of multitasking, casual friendly, no skill required. There aren't actually any more things that could be complained about. There is literally 0 positive about SC2. The minerals looks nice.
On April 22 2012 07:37 blubbdavid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 07:34 Rainfall7711 wrote:On April 22 2012 07:03 gn0m wrote:On April 22 2012 06:51 Rainfall7711 wrote:On April 22 2012 06:28 gn0m wrote:On April 22 2012 06:17 algue wrote:On April 22 2012 06:05 -Duderino- wrote:
At first I was amazed by all the hating on sc2 by bw elitists but I realize now its because none of you know anything about the game 90% of posts by yall bout sc2 are just wrong and ignorant. It would great for the starcraft 2 communtity for bw fans to switch over along with the pros but after reading a handful of posts I think it might be best for everyone if the haters go down with the ship.
Can't wait for some of the top bw pros to come over to sc2 and innovate the game. In the one hand you are right , there is imo way too much hate and SOME bw players should be a little bit more open minded but on the other hand you can't say that Sc2 is a better game than BW atm and you are on the BW forum , what did you expect ? Its sad too see some Sc2 and BW player doing the same shit as CS 1.6 and CS:S communities Whenever a sequel to a popular game is released, there is bound to be some disappointment for some of the fans of the original game. It is no secret that SC2, and new games in general, are being catered to casuals and the remaining foreign BW community is pretty hardcore by now. Hence the low interest for SC2 for some in the BW community. But saying that BW fans don’t like SC2 because they “didn’t gave it a chance” etc. is ridicules. BW fans were by far the most hyped when SC2 was announced. Also, this wouldn’t really be an issue if BW players weren’t forced to switch to a less developed game. I can imagine that SC2 fans would be pretty upset if every SC2 pro switched to LoL See i don't believe all of this about BW fans being hyped for SC2. It seems plausible on the surface but let's look at this logically. The only way BW fans would accept SC2 is if it was EXACTLY the śame but with better graphics. This was never going to happen. It doesn't matter how good SC2 is/will be because it will never actually be BW. This is the major point, it will never be BW, and it was never going to actually be BW. Therefor it will never be able to reach the standards set. This will actually happen until the end of time. Agreat game is released, when the inevitable sequel is released, it's subject to all the hate SC2 is. And btw, i agree and hope SC2 is improved alot into the future, but i still believe some people will never ever be satified with it because it's not their baby gem BW is. Well, given your late join date it is pretty evident that you weren’t even around when SC2 was announced. Regardless of what you find logical or not, people were pretty fucking hyped. And a lot of the former TL community DID actually move over to SC2. My point is that by putting a bigger emphasises on casual players, they probably attracted more new players but missed portions of the BW community. This was obviously the correct decision if you want to sell as many copies of the game as possible. Imo, people have stated pretty logical reasons for disliking SC2, so I wouldn’t say that its just “this is not BW, therefore it sux!” NoNo ok what i mean is, people may have been hyped but it's pretty obvious the majority would have been disappointed no matter what game SC2 turned out to be. People obviously just wanted BW HD. People have complained about.... Bad ui, bath unit pathing, bad units, clumping, bad maps, bad balance, lack of multitasking, casual friendly, no skill required. There aren't actually any more things that could be complained about. There is literally 0 positive about SC2. Voidrays are better than scouts.
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