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On April 21 2012 08:10 Cassel_Castle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:08 setzer wrote:On April 21 2012 08:01 Cassel_Castle wrote:On April 21 2012 07:52 ImbaTosS wrote:On April 21 2012 07:46 Cassel_Castle wrote:On April 21 2012 07:34 TrainSamurai wrote:On April 21 2012 07:32 Cassel_Castle wrote:I watch more SC2 than BW, but I really feel that BW pros shouldn't switch until at least HotS, maybe even LotV. There are too many issues with WoL for it to be the premier competitive RTS. Last match being MC vs Thorzain game. From TSL3? That would be an average/mediocre game by 2012 standards. Yea. You have no idea how much I disliked I had for sc2+ its fans after watching that game xD (Time watching sc2 is time not watching BW). I'll give it one more chance when TBLS plays. I wouldn't count on TBLS having any results in WoL since they've started so late (look at fOrGG and Hyun) but with HotS everyone will have to learn new strategies and the best players should rise to the top. Would people stop talking about fOrGG and Hyun as if they were anywhere NEAR as good as TBLS, before they went on to SC2. Please. Stop it. MVP is one of the best SC2 players ever and he, like Hyun, only took a game off Flash. fOrGG won an entire Bo5 against Flash. But MVP had a lot more success than Hyun/fOrGG because he started a year earlier. SC2 experience matters, if you don't believe that and you think it will take less than a year for TBLS to win a GSL you don't follow SC2 and the pros that have switched. ForGG beat Flash in 2008 so it has absolutely no relevance to the current abilities of both ForGG and Flash. Starting late doesn't mean shit in SC2. Look at Lucifron: just came out of retirement to win a major LAN event. Look at Cruncher: loses 1-2 to Idra after being in retirement. That Flash guy? Became a pro in 2007 and almost instantly became the best terran in the world. Don't pretend that coming back from retirement is even similar to starting late, please. e: I see what's going on. Ignore my previous posts, my sentiment now is that proleague SC2 will be behind GOM SC2 in skill until HotS.
Right and Marinequeen mechanics are good, this kids will own marineking in six months.
Edit: If they dont die of boredom.
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I predict that BW pros won’t really change the gameplay in SC2 much. Sure, new strategies will develop when more players enter the scene and what not. But in my opinion, the limits of SC2 are not due to the lack of skill in the current player base, but due to the very design of the game. BW players will adapt to the physics of SC2, not the other way around. It is obviously impossible for a human to play a perfect game of SC2, yet when watching SC2, you get the feeling that the game really limits the possibilities for skilled players to drastically influence the outcome of encounters.
TBLS might do well, but I think any A-teamer have an equal chance of succeeding. I wonder how many will retire after the mixed SC2/BW PL season. Why is it that eSports has developed into one giant baseball and where did all the frisbees go?
On April 21 2012 04:30 eviltomahawk wrote:
Haha, I find it really cool how much the coaches know about Teamliquid. Makes me wonder if they have ever stumbled upon the odder threads in the BW General section *cough*Nada's Body*cough*
:D
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Sc2 has been made to casual players -_-, flash in rehabilitation got masters whitout knowing the units xD. that's why i don't like Sc2, you don't need so much skill to play it in decent level, but in BW to be a pro in korea you needed like 4- 5 years practicing
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On April 21 2012 08:35 gn0m wrote:I predict that BW pros won’t really change the gameplay in SC2 much. Sure, new strategies will develop when more players enter the scene and what not. But in my opinion, the limits of SC2 are not due to the lack of skill in the current player base, but due to the very design of the game. BW players will adapt to the physics of SC2, not the other way around. It is obviously impossible for a human to play a perfect game of SC2, yet when watching SC2, you get the feeling that the game really limits the possibilities for skilled players to drastically influence the outcome of encounters. TBLS might do well, but I think any A-teamer have an equal chance of succeeding. I wonder how many will retire after the mixed SC2/BW PL season. Why is it that eSports has developed into one giant baseball and where did all the frisbees go? Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 04:30 eviltomahawk wrote:
Haha, I find it really cool how much the coaches know about Teamliquid. Makes me wonder if they have ever stumbled upon the odder threads in the BW General section *cough*Nada's Body*cough* :D
i' agree with you totally
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Flash did that in rehab w/o knowing stuff.
That would be like not knowing what a lurker did and still playing well in the proleague. Seriously, this will be BAD for the foreign scene.
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On April 21 2012 08:42 Sum41 wrote:
Sc2 has been made to casual players -_-, flash in rehabilitation got masters whitout knowing the units xD. that's why i don't like Sc2, you don't need so much skill to play it in decent level, but in BW to be a pro in korea you needed like 4- 5 years practicing
What's funny is you would think if sc2 was so easy anybody could be a pro at it, and yet that is not the case... It's easier the bw obviously but the amount you guys seem to think how "easy" sc2 is, is just astounding.
Honestly I think these threads are great for information on the person who created it, then should be locked immediately. So far it's always a how bad sc2 is from bw players and then from sc2 people coming in here saying bw is dying. That's mostly what I read anyway  .
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On April 21 2012 08:42 Sum41 wrote:
Sc2 has been made to casual players -_-, flash in rehabilitation got masters whitout knowing the units xD. that's why i don't like Sc2, you don't need so much skill to play it in decent level, but in BW to be a pro in korea you needed like 4- 5 years practicing
You don't like SC2 because the best RTS player ever was naturally good at it? Would you rather he have been in gold league..? I'm sure if FlaSh wasn't immediately masters people would be saying it's because the skill cap was lowered so much in SC2 that lesser players can beat him...
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On April 21 2012 07:31 Darksoldierr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:16 SCnai wrote:Only a miracle can save BW now. I'll be hoping for a miracle then. On April 21 2012 05:35 ninini wrote:
It's really sad how it was the foreign SC2 scene and the greed of korean businessmen that killed off BW. This is what pains me most. Explain me, how did the foreign SC2 scene kill BW.
When SC2 was released, most of the foreigner scene left BW, day9, all the best players and most of the hardcore scene pretty much. These ppl built SC2 into what it is today. They looked at the korean BW scene and they wanted to create something similar. When SC2 was announced there were already talks about e-sport, not from Korea, but from America and Europe. This was all because of the hype that the former BW fans had created. These ppl might have tried introducing their friends to BW in 2007 or whatever, but realized that very few was interested in a old game. You could ask why it didn't happen with WC3? It didn't happen because it didn't have the right brand name. For some reason ppl thought it was obvious that Korea would switch to SC2 when it was released, but that's a very flawed assumption. Nonetheless SC2 was hyped and the scene was built on this assumption. Blizzard did have a part of it. They hyped SC2 really well, but it was the former BW fans that made it possible to create SC2 into a e-sport. You could say that TL is responsible for the current SC2 scene. Not necessarily the site itself, but the members.
The sad part about this is that when this bubble was created, it attracted the korean sponsors. They noticed that SC2 was huge outside of Korea, and this basically created a situation where they abandoned BW because they saw SC2 as having a bigger potential. So, in summary you could pretty much say that it was the old BW fans that left the game and created the SC2 scene that killed off korean professional BW. Atleast they had a huge part in it. That's the sad part.
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On April 21 2012 08:50 singul4rity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:42 Sum41 wrote:
Sc2 has been made to casual players -_-, flash in rehabilitation got masters whitout knowing the units xD. that's why i don't like Sc2, you don't need so much skill to play it in decent level, but in BW to be a pro in korea you needed like 4- 5 years practicing You don't like SC2 because the best RTS player ever was naturally good at it? Would you rather he have been in gold league..? I'm sure if FlaSh wasn't immediately masters people would be saying it's because the skill cap was lowered so much in SC2 that lesser players can beat him...
And that's not true? How?
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On April 21 2012 08:49 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:42 Sum41 wrote:
Sc2 has been made to casual players -_-, flash in rehabilitation got masters whitout knowing the units xD. that's why i don't like Sc2, you don't need so much skill to play it in decent level, but in BW to be a pro in korea you needed like 4- 5 years practicing What's funny is you would think if sc2 was so easy anybody could be a pro at it, and yet that is not the case... It's easier the bw obviously but the amount you guys seem to think how "easy" sc2 is, is just astounding. Honestly I think these threads are great for information on the person who created it, then should be locked immediately. So far it's always a how bad sc2 is from bw players and then from sc2 people coming in here saying bw is dying. That's mostly what I read anyway .
It's like saying Kilimanjaro is easier to climb than Everest. "Easy" is very relative here.
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Yeah, I'm probably done with eSports if BW is dead. Especially if it's just going to be the BW players playing SC2 amongst each other; I'd have some interest in seeing Flash run God mode through the GLS players.
I'm too old for this shit, anyway.
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Well crap. Don't like this at all but it seems they've made up their mind already. I'll probably follow my favourite BW players if they move on to SC2 but... It won't be the same thing
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Well, I am glad that KT is using English version of SC2
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lol flash masters league without knowing what units did -.-
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On April 21 2012 08:45 Release wrote:
Flash did that in rehab w/o knowing stuff.
That would be like not knowing what a lurker did and still playing well in the proleague. Seriously, this will be BAD for the foreign scene.
More like getting to C- without knowing what a lurker did.
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On April 21 2012 09:45 GenesisX wrote:
lol flash masters league without knowing what units did -.-
Haha, got to love how you and everyone else who actually believes he didn't know what basically every unit did after 5-10 matches. I mean it's hard to even believe he had ZERO idea of what like 10 units did. He knew exactly what they did very very fast, stop being so naive.
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Uhhh could anyone forward me OpticalShot's translation?
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Flash was able to get into masters relatively quickly because he already has a great skill set in rts games and I'm sure a player of his caliber can pick up things rather quickly.
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[deleting a major troll post]
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