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Dirtysocks
Profile Joined August 2011
Czech Republic68 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 16:32:24
April 20 2012 16:31 GMT
#261
delete pls
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
April 20 2012 16:31 GMT
#262
On April 21 2012 01:29 Dirtysocks wrote:
Why not switch to SC2 and get much more viewers.


hmm...
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
April 20 2012 16:33 GMT
#263
On April 21 2012 01:26 kakaman wrote:
Dammit Fantasy, didn't you see this mistake with idra? oh wait, idra was never good, never mind.


Well he WAS the best foreigner in BW pretty convincingly but he certainly was far than the top Broodwar players. He's done pretty well for himself in SC2 so far though.
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
April 20 2012 16:33 GMT
#264
On April 21 2012 01:29 Dirtysocks wrote:
Please, go cry that BW is dying somewhere else. Create a thread and go there. I am fed up with every single post about swich to SC2 telling me who it is not an esports and Bw forever etc...
If you enjoy BW go watch all the games from the dawn of BW you have 10 years of games. SC2 is new like BW once was. If you watch the games from 2000 you can also tell the game is boring, unstructured, NEW!

I started to watch BW way back in the time, but I am happy to see ESPORTS to grow.
Not to mention this is still business. Why not switch to SC2 and get much more viewers. They have to see how much money is outside of korea.

This is BW General.
En Taro Violet
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 20 2012 16:33 GMT
#265
On April 21 2012 00:30 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 00:16 c0ldfusion wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:10 Iplaythings wrote:

Atleast I'll still be at TL for LoL and Dota2



I seriously don't understand this irrational hatred towards SC2.

You guys all argue about how BW is superior because of higher skill cap, easier to see what's going on, greater difficulty and yet you can watch LoL and Dota2?

Wow...

Many many BW veterans moved to Dota and LoL simply because it just isn't possible to enjoy SC2 when you've had BW. I myself have moved onto playing Dota. Those games stand alone at the top of their genre, whilst SC2 is this mangled version of the perfect RTS...


We're talking about spectating right?

I'm just saying that if SC2 isn't watchable for you (which is certainly fair) given the reasons you guys have outlined, wouldn't that make games like LoL and Dota2 impossible to watch?
Dirtysocks
Profile Joined August 2011
Czech Republic68 Posts
April 20 2012 16:34 GMT
#266
On April 21 2012 01:31 ne4aJIb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 01:29 Dirtysocks wrote:
Why not switch to SC2 and get much more viewers.


hmm...


What I meant was if they fans switch also, and start like JD and Flash stay with the game, they will get more.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
April 20 2012 16:35 GMT
#267
Still very skeptic towards SC2. From the looks of things, throwing the world's best players and mapmakers wouldn't change things very much. : \

It would probably add lots of stories to the scene.. but still not so much.

@Fenrax PROMOD PROMOD PROMOD PROMOD PROMOD PROMOD PROMOD PROMOD PROMOD

SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
UTL_Unlimited
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Korea (South)353 Posts
April 20 2012 16:35 GMT
#268
Some quick notes on the translations:
1) I think a scary point got jumped across. But SKT and STX coaches mention that there are numerous players who actually JUST played SC2 during the Proleague season in hopes that they can show up on TV later on. But when the coaches can't tell the players when SC2 will be on proleague, many actually just leave and rumors of teams kicking out players begin to spread. so they're very worried about this becoming a bigger problem later on.

2) some coaches agree that SC2 seemed boring in comparison to BW.So when they have to force the players to play this game later on, they feel like players wouldn't be doing it for fun anymore = it actually will be forcing it.

3) When they had players practice SC2 and then switch back to SC1 and then back again to SC2, the players seem to have a really hard time adjusting. They say the games are completely different. Even players who switch races later on for SC2 actually say it's just too hard to adjust and so they switch back to their original SC1 race later on.

4) Coaches feel they need to make Proleague even more spectator friendly than before in order to promote SC2 when the switch occurs. They also think that while fans will either adjust or leave the scene, they feel most of them will just adjust.

5) Reason why KT coach wants the English version (since it wasn't covered), is that they want the fans to feel as accommodated as possible when the switch occurs. High templar should be called a high templar; scv as an scv. Fans will just get confused if they start calling it with the Korean names, and so this should be a big issue.

6) SKT actually had a test where they had an actual paper test with the names of the units in Korean on it and they had pictures to match the units. Results = led to hilariousness.

7) Some coaches don't want the switch = but they feel it's inevitable due to sponsor problems and such.

8) Team8 Coach wants SC1 to exist as a "Living Legend", but they feel that when the SC2 switch occurs, then it will lead to people saying later on in life, "why the hell did we play this shitty old game SC1 for so long". This is because SC1 only really existed in Korea and nowhere else. He doesn't want SC1 to be just thrown away after leaving such a mark in the community, and wants some form of existence for SC1.

9) Another coach is worried that since the industry is so young, if they just switch the game as such, the same problems that they had in the past (the mistakes and other such incidents) will simply occur AGAIN with the new game.

10) Coaches are sad that SC1 only grew in Korea. They really wanted it to grow like how SC2 is with MLG. However, they believe that a foreign community (i.e. mentioning Team Liquid) still exists for BW and they were hoping that this community will always exist. They see that while the eSports community has grown with SC2, in actuality, they feel like the Korean eSports Community has simply grown smaller due to this growth.

11) The coaches REALLY WANTED to approach the foreign scene apparently. Like no other. But because of the strong idea that 'BW is ours and proleague is ours', the coaches couldn't approach the foreign scene. They see that the foreign community is there with the comments, team liquid, and youtube videos, but they just couldn't do anything about it. (tone of regret does exist here) They were happy that the previosu finals was done globally, but still sad that it's so late.

12) In terms of 'practice', in comparison to the GSL and other SC2 tournaments, their players are just screwing around. Coaches are also worried that while they have to make SC2 'theirs', the splitting of fans is very worrisome.

13) SKT VS TEAM8 SC2 HAPPENED TROLOLOLOL. Every player was like: wtf is this new hotkey shit? and then when it came down to it, Team8 whopped ass against SKT 4:2. TROLOLOL. One good thing was that because SC2 battles are so much faster, the player's mechanics increased because they needed faster reactions.

14) coaches see that SC2 is a brand new opportunity for the lower tier players= TBLS won't be as strong in a new game,and thus, this new game is basically a reset button and whoever practices more and such will be the best. Even the older players who were going to leave / force them to quit when SC1 was going to be around now have hope to continue the game.

15) SKT's team has rumors that they have NUMEROUS GM players right now, and so will win next proleague. But SKT's coach denies it and says most of his players are diamond leaguers.

I'll post more after this. Class ended
Need to write more things...
Dirtysocks
Profile Joined August 2011
Czech Republic68 Posts
April 20 2012 16:36 GMT
#269
On April 21 2012 01:33 Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 01:29 Dirtysocks wrote:
Please, go cry that BW is dying somewhere else. Create a thread and go there. I am fed up with every single post about swich to SC2 telling me who it is not an esports and Bw forever etc...
If you enjoy BW go watch all the games from the dawn of BW you have 10 years of games. SC2 is new like BW once was. If you watch the games from 2000 you can also tell the game is boring, unstructured, NEW!

I started to watch BW way back in the time, but I am happy to see ESPORTS to grow.
Not to mention this is still business. Why not switch to SC2 and get much more viewers. They have to see how much money is outside of korea.

This is BW General.


Well BW general is going to die as soon as they switch,
My bad, enjoy your threads.

User was warned for this post

User was warned for this post
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
April 20 2012 16:37 GMT
#270
On April 21 2012 01:36 Dirtysocks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 01:33 Stratos wrote:
On April 21 2012 01:29 Dirtysocks wrote:
Please, go cry that BW is dying somewhere else. Create a thread and go there. I am fed up with every single post about swich to SC2 telling me who it is not an esports and Bw forever etc...
If you enjoy BW go watch all the games from the dawn of BW you have 10 years of games. SC2 is new like BW once was. If you watch the games from 2000 you can also tell the game is boring, unstructured, NEW!

I started to watch BW way back in the time, but I am happy to see ESPORTS to grow.
Not to mention this is still business. Why not switch to SC2 and get much more viewers. They have to see how much money is outside of korea.

This is BW General.


Well BW general is going to die as soon as they switch,
My bad, enjoy your threads.

Thanks.
En Taro Violet
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
April 20 2012 16:39 GMT
#271
Speculating this thread is more enjoyable than SC2. BOOYAH
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 20 2012 16:40 GMT
#272
On April 21 2012 00:33 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 00:30 ShadeR wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:16 c0ldfusion wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:10 Iplaythings wrote:

Atleast I'll still be at TL for LoL and Dota2



I seriously don't understand this irrational hatred towards SC2.

You guys all argue about how BW is superior because of higher skill cap, easier to see what's going on, greater difficulty and yet you can watch LoL and Dota2?

Wow...

Many many BW veterans moved to Dota and LoL simply because it just isn't possible to SC2 when you've had BW. I myself have moved onto playing Dota. Those games stand alone at the top of their genre, whilst SC2 is this mangled version of the perfect RTS...


I would even start watching SF2 and CS : Go if the opportunities arises than sitting over a game of supreme commander 2 (sc2).


I can see that if you're into FPS (or fighters, SF2 = street fighter 2??).

Those games require completely different skillsets and therefore your reasoning based on skill cap and difficulty do not directly apply.

Objectly speaking, mobi games require a subset of the skills needed to play RTS and are much easier.



rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
April 20 2012 16:42 GMT
#273
On April 21 2012 01:40 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 00:33 Sawamura wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:30 ShadeR wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:16 c0ldfusion wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:10 Iplaythings wrote:

Atleast I'll still be at TL for LoL and Dota2



I seriously don't understand this irrational hatred towards SC2.

You guys all argue about how BW is superior because of higher skill cap, easier to see what's going on, greater difficulty and yet you can watch LoL and Dota2?

Wow...

Many many BW veterans moved to Dota and LoL simply because it just isn't possible to SC2 when you've had BW. I myself have moved onto playing Dota. Those games stand alone at the top of their genre, whilst SC2 is this mangled version of the perfect RTS...


I would even start watching SF2 and CS : Go if the opportunities arises than sitting over a game of supreme commander 2 (sc2).


I can see that if you're into FPS (or fighters, SF2 = street fighter 2??).

Those games require completely different skillsets and therefore your reasoning based on skill cap and difficulty do not directly apply.

Objectly speaking, mobi games require a subset of the skills needed to play RTS and are much easier.




Most likely SF2 = Special Force 2
Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
April 20 2012 16:42 GMT
#274
On April 21 2012 01:29 Dirtysocks wrote:
Please, go cry that BW is dying somewhere else. Create a thread and go there. I am fed up with every single post about swich to SC2 telling me who it is not an esports and Bw forever etc...
If you enjoy BW go watch all the games from the dawn of BW you have 10 years of games. SC2 is new like BW once was. If you watch the games from 2000 you can also tell the game is boring, unstructured, NEW!

I started to watch BW way back in the time, but I am happy to see ESPORTS to grow.
Not to mention this is still business. Why not switch to SC2 and get much more viewers. They have to see how much money is outside of korea.

wtf this is the BW board, what are you talking about
Jaedong plz
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 20 2012 16:43 GMT
#275
On April 21 2012 01:40 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 00:33 Sawamura wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:30 ShadeR wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:16 c0ldfusion wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:10 Iplaythings wrote:

Atleast I'll still be at TL for LoL and Dota2



I seriously don't understand this irrational hatred towards SC2.

You guys all argue about how BW is superior because of higher skill cap, easier to see what's going on, greater difficulty and yet you can watch LoL and Dota2?

Wow...

Many many BW veterans moved to Dota and LoL simply because it just isn't possible to SC2 when you've had BW. I myself have moved onto playing Dota. Those games stand alone at the top of their genre, whilst SC2 is this mangled version of the perfect RTS...


I would even start watching SF2 and CS : Go if the opportunities arises than sitting over a game of supreme commander 2 (sc2).


I can see that if you're into FPS (or fighters, SF2 = street fighter 2??).

Those games require completely different skillsets and therefore your reasoning based on skill cap and difficulty do not directly apply.

Objectly speaking, mobi games require a subset of the skills needed to play RTS and are much easier.





Oh both are FPS especially SF2

BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 16:52:43
April 20 2012 16:43 GMT
#276
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 21 2012 01:35 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
Some quick notes on the translations:
1) I think a scary point got jumped across. But SKT and STX coaches mention that there are numerous players who actually JUST played SC2 during the Proleague season in hopes that they can show up on TV later on. But when the coaches can't tell the players when SC2 will be on proleague, many actually just leave and rumors of teams kicking out players begin to spread. so they're very worried about this becoming a bigger problem later on.

2) some coaches agree that SC2 seemed boring in comparison to BW.So when they have to force the players to play this game later on, they feel like players wouldn't be doing it for fun anymore = it actually will be forcing it.

3) When they had players practice SC2 and then switch back to SC1 and then back again to SC2, the players seem to have a really hard time adjusting. They say the games are completely different. Even players who switch races later on for SC2 actually say it's just too hard to adjust and so they switch back to their original SC1 race later on.

4) Coaches feel they need to make Proleague even more spectator friendly than before in order to promote SC2 when the switch occurs. They also think that while fans will either adjust or leave the scene, they feel most of them will just adjust.

5) Reason why KT coach wants the English version (since it wasn't covered), is that they want the fans to feel as accommodated as possible when the switch occurs. High templar should be called a high templar; scv as an scv. Fans will just get confused if they start calling it with the Korean names, and so this should be a big issue.

6) SKT actually had a test where they had an actual paper test with the names of the units in Korean on it and they had pictures to match the units. Results = led to hilariousness.

7) Some coaches don't want the switch = but they feel it's inevitable due to sponsor problems and such.

8) Team8 Coach wants SC1 to exist as a "Living Legend", but they feel that when the SC2 switch occurs, then it will lead to people saying later on in life, "why the hell did we play this shitty old game SC1 for so long". This is because SC1 only really existed in Korea and nowhere else. He doesn't want SC1 to be just thrown away after leaving such a mark in the community, and wants some form of existence for SC1.

9) Another coach is worried that since the industry is so young, if they just switch the game as such, the same problems that they had in the past (the mistakes and other such incidents) will simply occur AGAIN with the new game.

10) Coaches are sad that SC1 only grew in Korea. They really wanted it to grow like how SC2 is with MLG. However, they believe that a foreign community (i.e. mentioning Team Liquid) still exists for BW and they were hoping that this community will always exist. They see that while the eSports community has grown with SC2, in actuality, they feel like the Korean eSports Community has simply grown smaller due to this growth.

11) The coaches REALLY WANTED to approach the foreign scene apparently. Like no other. But because of the strong idea that 'BW is ours and proleague is ours', the coaches couldn't approach the foreign scene. They see that the foreign community is there with the comments, team liquid, and youtube videos, but they just couldn't do anything about it. (tone of regret does exist here) They were happy that the previosu finals was done globally, but still sad that it's so late.

12) In terms of 'practice', in comparison to the GSL and other SC2 tournaments, their players are just screwing around. Coaches are also worried that while they have to make SC2 'theirs', the splitting of fans is very worrisome.

13) SKT VS TEAM8 SC2 HAPPENED TROLOLOLOL. Every player was like: wtf is this new hotkey shit? and then when it came down to it, Team8 whopped ass against SKT 4:2. TROLOLOL. One good thing was that because SC2 battles are so much faster, the player's mechanics increased because they needed faster reactions.

14) coaches see that SC2 is a brand new opportunity for the lower tier players= TBLS won't be as strong in a new game,and thus, this new game is basically a reset button and whoever practices more and such will be the best. Even the older players who were going to leave / force them to quit when SC1 was going to be around now have hope to continue the game.

15) SKT's team has rumors that they have NUMEROUS GM players right now, and so will win next proleague. But SKT's coach denies it and says most of his players are diamond leaguers.

I'll post more after this. Class ended


Thanks for this, some really interesting stuff in there, especially #10 and 11.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
April 20 2012 16:43 GMT
#277
On April 21 2012 01:40 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 00:33 Sawamura wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:30 ShadeR wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:16 c0ldfusion wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:10 Iplaythings wrote:

Atleast I'll still be at TL for LoL and Dota2



I seriously don't understand this irrational hatred towards SC2.

You guys all argue about how BW is superior because of higher skill cap, easier to see what's going on, greater difficulty and yet you can watch LoL and Dota2?

Wow...

Many many BW veterans moved to Dota and LoL simply because it just isn't possible to SC2 when you've had BW. I myself have moved onto playing Dota. Those games stand alone at the top of their genre, whilst SC2 is this mangled version of the perfect RTS...


I would even start watching SF2 and CS : Go if the opportunities arises than sitting over a game of supreme commander 2 (sc2).


I can see that if you're into FPS (or fighters, SF2 = street fighter 2??).

Those games require completely different skillsets and therefore your reasoning based on skill cap and difficulty do not directly apply.

Objectly speaking, mobi games require a subset of the skills needed to play RTS and are much easier.




I don't see any talk of skill caps or what not.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
April 20 2012 16:44 GMT
#278
^^ Thank you UTL_Unlimited, very intresting stuff :D
0kz
Profile Joined January 2010
Italy1118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 16:45:18
April 20 2012 16:44 GMT
#279
On April 21 2012 01:36 Dirtysocks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 01:33 Stratos wrote:
On April 21 2012 01:29 Dirtysocks wrote:
Please, go cry that BW is dying somewhere else. Create a thread and go there. I am fed up with every single post about swich to SC2 telling me who it is not an esports and Bw forever etc...
If you enjoy BW go watch all the games from the dawn of BW you have 10 years of games. SC2 is new like BW once was. If you watch the games from 2000 you can also tell the game is boring, unstructured, NEW!

I started to watch BW way back in the time, but I am happy to see ESPORTS to grow.
Not to mention this is still business. Why not switch to SC2 and get much more viewers. They have to see how much money is outside of korea.

This is BW General.


Well BW general is going to die as soon as they switch,
My bad, enjoy your threads.

User was warned for this post

User was warned for this post



only warn? Im a huge BW Flash and KT fan so Im the last person to hate on sc2 because I also follow GSL MLG and other tournaments and I understand why we need to move on but his post is just offensive
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 16:46:55
April 20 2012 16:46 GMT
#280
On April 21 2012 01:35 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [tagged for size] +
Some quick notes on the translations:
1) I think a scary point got jumped across. But SKT and STX coaches mention that there are numerous players who actually JUST played SC2 during the Proleague season in hopes that they can show up on TV later on. But when the coaches can't tell the players when SC2 will be on proleague, many actually just leave and rumors of teams kicking out players begin to spread. so they're very worried about this becoming a bigger problem later on.

2) some coaches agree that SC2 seemed boring in comparison to BW.So when they have to force the players to play this game later on, they feel like players wouldn't be doing it for fun anymore = it actually will be forcing it.

3) When they had players practice SC2 and then switch back to SC1 and then back again to SC2, the players seem to have a really hard time adjusting. They say the games are completely different. Even players who switch races later on for SC2 actually say it's just too hard to adjust and so they switch back to their original SC1 race later on.

4) Coaches feel they need to make Proleague even more spectator friendly than before in order to promote SC2 when the switch occurs. They also think that while fans will either adjust or leave the scene, they feel most of them will just adjust.

5) Reason why KT coach wants the English version (since it wasn't covered), is that they want the fans to feel as accommodated as possible when the switch occurs. High templar should be called a high templar; scv as an scv. Fans will just get confused if they start calling it with the Korean names, and so this should be a big issue.

6) SKT actually had a test where they had an actual paper test with the names of the units in Korean on it and they had pictures to match the units. Results = led to hilariousness.

7) Some coaches don't want the switch = but they feel it's inevitable due to sponsor problems and such.

8) Team8 Coach wants SC1 to exist as a "Living Legend", but they feel that when the SC2 switch occurs, then it will lead to people saying later on in life, "why the hell did we play this shitty old game SC1 for so long". This is because SC1 only really existed in Korea and nowhere else. He doesn't want SC1 to be just thrown away after leaving such a mark in the community, and wants some form of existence for SC1.

9) Another coach is worried that since the industry is so young, if they just switch the game as such, the same problems that they had in the past (the mistakes and other such incidents) will simply occur AGAIN with the new game.

10) Coaches are sad that SC1 only grew in Korea. They really wanted it to grow like how SC2 is with MLG. However, they believe that a foreign community (i.e. mentioning Team Liquid) still exists for BW and they were hoping that this community will always exist. They see that while the eSports community has grown with SC2, in actuality, they feel like the Korean eSports Community has simply grown smaller due to this growth.

11) The coaches REALLY WANTED to approach the foreign scene apparently. Like no other. But because of the strong idea that 'BW is ours and proleague is ours', the coaches couldn't approach the foreign scene. They see that the foreign community is there with the comments, team liquid, and youtube videos, but they just couldn't do anything about it. (tone of regret does exist here) They were happy that the previosu finals was done globally, but still sad that it's so late.

12) In terms of 'practice', in comparison to the GSL and other SC2 tournaments, their players are just screwing around. Coaches are also worried that while they have to make SC2 'theirs', the splitting of fans is very worrisome.

13) SKT VS TEAM8 SC2 HAPPENED TROLOLOLOL. Every player was like: wtf is this new hotkey shit? and then when it came down to it, Team8 whopped ass against SKT 4:2. TROLOLOL. One good thing was that because SC2 battles are so much faster, the player's mechanics increased because they needed faster reactions.

14) coaches see that SC2 is a brand new opportunity for the lower tier players= TBLS won't be as strong in a new game,and thus, this new game is basically a reset button and whoever practices more and such will be the best. Even the older players who were going to leave / force them to quit when SC1 was going to be around now have hope to continue the game.

15) SKT's team has rumors that they have NUMEROUS GM players right now, and so will win next proleague. But SKT's coach denies it and says most of his players are diamond leaguers.

I'll post more after this. Class ended


Thanks for the great translation =)

#15 made me chuckle. Some funny mindgames beginning xD
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