EPTThat was definately the best part of the article to me though think of the poor people he beat who know what units do and still couldnt beat him wtih them.
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
That was definately the best part of the article to me though think of the poor people he beat who know what units do and still couldnt beat him wtih them. | ||
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huehuehuehue
Estonia455 Posts
On April 21 2012 01:13 Ribbon wrote: Well, every time one race innovates, all the other races kind of have to work around it, and the first 6 months were wasted on Steppes of War maps and 2rax SCV pushes being standard TvZ for a month and a half. It's definitely a different game now than it was in 2010, or even 2011. PvT, for instance, is a lot less Colossus (yay) and more Zealot/Templar (yay), with Forge Fast Expand being an increasingly standard opening (??). ZvZ has been pretty stagnant, though, no argument there. PvP is only recently gotten to macro games being common, so I'm willing to give that a few months now as long as Mass Colo isn't standard. I saw Mass Colo vs Mass Colo, and it was horrible  The Lurker was in SC2 for a long time in the Beta. It got pulled because it simply wasn't working in the new game. The Warhound is a knock-off of the Goliath, but Browder said they'd make it a Goliath if that's what it ended up being (though it's likely to be scrapped, apparently). The swarm host is a unit I'm not thrilled about, but it's not a lurker in any way except that it attacks while burrowed. In terms of new units, The Replicant was a neat idea that got scrapped. The Shredder was a stupid idea that got scrapped. The Oracle is a legitimately brilliant unit and makes me excited all by itself. And while you can compare a Phoenix to a Corsair, I think of it as a new and fairly cool unit. The Void Ray is new, but kind of enh, and the Brood Lord is a frankly more interesting Guardian. Most of the SC2 units are neat ideas that didn't quite pan out, honestly. Except the Collosus (potentially good idea, terrible execution) and the Thor. The Thor is just a dumb unit. The Collosus could've been interesting if it were easier to snipe, but what the fuck is the Thor meant to add to the game? I'm glad they're taking it out of HotS FFE isn't a common PvT opener, It's just a nexus first with a cannon, that is pretty rare and only works on some maps. | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On April 21 2012 01:17 huehuehuehue wrote: About this SC2 being easy thing...  Sounds exactly like this guy :D On April 21 2012 00:42 shaftofpleasure wrote: Broodwar has 12 unit per control group E-Sports has 'unlimited' unit per control group Broodwar has manual mining E-sports has auto-mining Broodwar has single building selection E-sports has mulitple building selection Broodwar has sub-par unit AI E-sports has smart-cast and decent unit AI E-sports was made to be easy. I don't know why people deny this. For casuals to get into. | ||
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gCgCrypto
Germany297 Posts
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:59 shaftofpleasure wrote: Oh right, the 'interface' argument. Still, it made E-sport easy. None can deny that. BW Fans demean E-sports and it's fans because of the high praises for the scene it follows while trashing BW because they don't understand exactly how hard BW is. Watching these pros overcome the factors of the game that mere spectators have trouble overcoming it is a huge factor why BW is great. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mxypu9WC8c I'm hoping this just means that the current BW teams are going to hire SC2 players/have B-teamers switch, I don't want to see any top-tier players switch. Having them play both games would be even worse. | ||
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Eun_Star
United States322 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + fuck you fantasy Honestly, if this does happen, I'll stop watching Starcraft. I haven't got to playing BW for a long time, and SC2 was definitely not my thing. I still believe that BW is a great game and there's at least ~5 years left on it. Maybe in 5 years I'll start watching SC2... | ||
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huehuehuehue
Estonia455 Posts
On April 21 2012 01:22 Za7oX wrote: Sounds exactly like this guy :D Hahahaha I just realized that :D. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3208 Posts
Ji-hoon 'During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did' I just remembered, didn't Naniwa say this in HotBid's interview?! found it :D | ||
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olabaz
United States298 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On April 21 2012 01:17 huehuehuehue wrote: About this SC2 being easy thing... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mxypu9WC8c I don't see this in sc2.... meh... | ||
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Fluffeh
Sweden66 Posts
On April 21 2012 01:17 KenNage wrote: roro played good, and in their last match (before the prelims) the played a 40 min macro pvz when roro won and it was a awesome game, so we already knew he could beat bisu, it was unlikely but not impossible Well it speaks against the whole "no scrub can even come close to a win vs a god because the skill cap is so high yadayada"-argument. Same for when Dear/M18M/Horang2 beat Flash ... | ||
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
Incoming shitstorm for the SC2 scene if Flash decides to play it. This is just so lol-worthy... | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
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Mazaire
Australia217 Posts
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Noxblood
Norway374 Posts
On April 21 2012 01:25 Tatari wrote: During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did Incoming shitstorm for the SC2 scene if Flash decides to play it. This is just so lol-worthy... Are you really so naive that you think that flash had no idea how the units worked. You don't see that coaches is just trying to hype this even more. because they want more attention on there players. Flash is really god but i would be surprised if he didn't place inn master after 1-2 weeks of playing the dude is one of best RTS players that has ever been. | ||
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Dirtysocks
Czech Republic68 Posts
If you enjoy BW go watch all the games from the dawn of BW you have 10 years of games. SC2 is new like BW once was. If you watch the games from 2000 you can also tell the game is boring, unstructured, NEW! I started to watch BW way back in the time, but I am happy to see ESPORTS to grow. Not to mention this is still business. Why not switch to SC2 and get much more viewers. They have to see how much money is outside of korea. | ||
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RJGooner
United States2038 Posts
BW is a far superior game to SC2 and I will miss it not being there to watch. I have watched SC2 and will continue to watch it. Although I will say that if anyone of the TBLS lose to a foreigner I might throw up all over my keyboard. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5111 Posts
On April 21 2012 01:24 ne4aJIb wrote: I just remembered, didn't Naniwa say this in HotBid's interview?! no. Hot bid poked naniwa saying "tell us the story you told us at lunch!", naniwa was shying away, and Hot bid overexaggerated and said naniwa said flash played 80 games per day, which everyone knows wouldn't happen unless he 11/11 raxed every game for like 10 hours. tired of people bringing that interview up sometimes. | ||
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
Dont really have an interest in the korean SC2 scene. SC2 is like WC3 for me. Will follow the European scene, but the game isn't really exciting for me. Really a sad day. I guess in Esports nothing is eternal. If i don't follow football for a year, i can get right into it again. Nothing has changed and the game is as fun to watch as it was a year ago. All the old storylines are still relevant. Esports propably won't have the same attraction and tradition for a long time. | ||
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Rainfall7711
329 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:20 fabiano wrote: You can explain that over and over again and SC2 fans WON'T listen. They don't want to believe that their game, when compared to BW, is lacking so much. What happens is a clicle where we explain why we believe which one is superior, they find themselves trapped then they spit out the word elitism as a last defence measure. Rather than trying to explain why BW is better, this thread should be used to discuss what the fuck is gonna happen now. I sincerely believe that TBLS will fall into the common top tier SC2 pros because SC2 will crop out what makes a god from what makes a great pro. Watching Bisu dropping games to MC would be eye bleeding. :/ Why don't people like you understand that even though BW is the deeper more interesting game, it's fucking irrelevant. Yes, BW is everything you guys say it is. But the point is, all the SC2 hatred is stupid. BW is on it's way out, this seems to be a fact. SC2 is the future and now, that's also a fact. Why don't we all work together to try to develop SC2 into a better game. SC2 has so much potential and with Kespa and all these legends joining it increases the chance for the game to change. Everyone needs to change their attitude. I see all these people saying they will watch LoL or Dota? What the hell? Seems BW fanatics have alot of issues. Seems like they have hate for a game. The 'SC2 is bad BW is better' crap needs to end. If you have interest in BW or SC2 then start discussing ways it can get better. Then maybe it will get the improvements you want. But hey feel free to abandon SC2 and jus twatch LoL. Very productive. MAIN POINT. Stop saying BW is the deeper game. Thanks for stating a fact. What we need to do is propel SC2 to that level or close. | ||
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